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Pakistanis freak out over Islamabad U exhibit showing Israeli culture

religious and sectarian hate in Pakistan you cant find anywhere else that much hate
Apart from the few u r talking about, majority of the people who hate taliban also hate israel, but not because of religious matters. Have u any say now.......
 
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No use debating with a Zionist. You people are so indoctrinated from birth you can not be made to see reality.
The "freak out" demonstrates that Pakistanis are indoctrinated and will themselves not to re-examine what they think is reality. Mouthing off - no proofs are provided - that Zionists are guilty of doing so is turning the truth upside-down.

I never excused Arabs for murdering innocents. Never. So don't give me that bull.
When did you last criticize Arabs for killing Jews? When did you last object to a Pakistani who cheered the deaths of Jews, or Arabs attacking Jews? If you don't speak up you're letting others speak for you.

Yeah yeah, I know, Palestine used to be the Jews' until evil Arabs suddenly materialised there -
You don't want to know much, do you?

Just because Jews used to live there thousands of years back does not give them the right to just walk in and take over the land from an indigenous population.
Oh, and what in your opinion does?

No form of law allows for a minority to take over a whole country.
Are you willing to give Pakistan back to India? Or the British? Or support returning Medina to the Jews?

But then again, hypocrites like you -
We've already established that you're turning the truth upside-down. What right do you have, then, to judge anybody a hypocrite?

Who the hell are you to tell me my views have zero validity?
Who do I have to be? I'm a logician and demonstrated your contradictions.

I'm not the one trying to justify an apartheid regime that murders children for the crime of existing on the wrong land.
You're the one justifying a genocidal regime that murders children for the crime of existing on the wrong land. At the moment it's outsiders like yourself trying to enforce apartheid by insisting that Jews cannot move into "Arab" neighborhoods and that Jews may only live where non-Jews like yourself permit.

There is no way you can disprove that the Palestinians did exist on Palestine before -
Red herring.

...you'll try to justify your taking over them by using logical fallacies and other form of propaganda.
I've shown your fallacies and demonstrated your defective thinking.

I know how Hasbara works mate, no informed person is falling for that.
Are you an informed person? Do you know what an informed person does with new and factual information that contradicts what they discovered are lies? An informed person changes his mind.
 
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The "freak out" demonstrates that Pakistanis are indoctrinated and will themselves not to re-examine what they think is reality. Mouthing off - no proofs are provided - that Zionists are guilty of doing so is turning the truth upside-down.

When did you last criticize Arabs for killing Jews? When did you last object to a Pakistani who cheered the deaths of Jews, or Arabs attacking Jews? If you don't speak up you're letting others speak for you.

You don't want to know much, do you?

Oh, and what in your opinion does?

Are you willing to give Pakistan back to India? Or the British? Or support returning Medina to the Jews?

We've already established that you're turning the truth upside-down. What right do you have, then, to judge anybody a hypocrite?

Who do I have to be? I'm a logician and demonstrated your contradictions.

You're the one justifying a genocidal regime that murders children for the crime of existing on the wrong land. At the moment it's outsiders like yourself trying to enforce apartheid by insisting that Jews cannot move into "Arab" neighborhoods and that Jews may only live where non-Jews like yourself permit.

Red herring.

I've shown your fallacies and demonstrated your defective thinking.

Are you an informed person? Do you know what an informed person does with new and factual information that contradicts what they discovered are lies? An informed person changes his mind.

The "freak out" demonstrates that Pakistanis are indoctrinated and will themselves not to re-examine what they think is reality. Mouthing off - no proofs are provided - that Zionists are guilty of doing so is turning the truth upside-down.
I can provide you plenty of proofs. I can fill a book with proofs. But then of course, you will dismiss them all as evil Muslim propaganda.

It's funny how you talk about Pakistanis not providing proofs while you carry on making an argument based on zero proof.

When did you last criticize Arabs for killing Jews? When did you last object to a Pakistani who cheered the deaths of Jews, or Arabs attacking Jews? If you don't speak up you're letting others speak for you.
When was the last time Arabs killed innocent Jews? When was the last time a Pakistani cheered the deaths of Jews? When was the last time Arabs attacked Jews? Answer my questions and you get the answer to your own.
I speak up alright, if you chose not to hear it doesn't mean I don't speak up at all.

You don't want to know much, do you?
Oh I do want to know much, thank you very much if you can enlighten me. Honestly, I'd love to see what kind of knowledge leads your perspective.

Oh, and what in your opinion does?
Seriously? Nothing does. It is only acceptable if the Jews were a majority population in the areas they later took over, as was the case in the India/Pakistan partition or most other partitions in history.

Are you willing to give Pakistan back to India? Or the British? Or support returning Medina to the Jews?
The sentence you quoted was ''No form of law allows for a minority to take over a whole country''. Whole Country. Minority. The area that is now Pakistan was not the whole of India and Muslims were in fact the majority there. Medina is a different story, do not change the argument.

We've already established that you're turning the truth upside-down. What right do you have, then, to judge anybody a hypocrite?
We have not established anything. It's your word against mine. You are accusing me of turning the truth upside down, so prove it. You are the one preaching Zionism, so explain it. As a human being I have every right to judge a facile and false argument. If you think you're better than me because you're a Zionist, you're proving my point that Zionism is bad.

Who do I have to be? I'm a logician and demonstrated your contradictions.
'Logician'. You don't become a logician by calling yourself one. You have not demonstrated any contradictions. Not a single one. All your arguments are incorrect. Either explain them or admit that you are wrong.

You're the one justifying a genocidal regime that murders children for the crime of existing on the wrong land. At the moment it's outsiders like yourself trying to enforce apartheid by insisting that Jews cannot move into "Arab" neighborhoods and that Jews may only live where non-Jews like yourself permit.
What regime? Hamas? You Zionists were murdering them decades before Hamas even existed! Hamas exists because of what Israel did and continues to do. I condemn Hamas for the rocket attacks, the suicide bombings and everything wrong it has done. But then you can't deny it was Israel that pushed those people, the fighters, into such a situation that they ended up joining Hamas. You think they like it? You think they like fighting and dying? They don't have a choice left.
What other regime is there except Israel? The PA? What kind of delusions do you have?
Arab apartheid? Damn, you're seriously delusional. The Jewish settlements are not Jews moving into Arab neighborhoods. It's Jews Bulldozing their way in, building a huge *** fence and calling in the IDF to keep Arabs out. Tell me whose apartheid it is then. Jews may live wherever the hell they want. They just can't go around building countries and bulldozing people's homes. Just like Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Vegans or anyone else can not. Why should Jews have special treatment? Why are Zionists exempt from International Law?
Red herring.
And that's what you are going to say to every bit of proof and logic I show you. It is not a red herring. Do you even know what a red herring means?
The fact that Palestinian Muslims existed on the Palestinian Land as a majority for centuries before the modern state of Israel ever existed is the most important thing here. If they didn't exist, I'd be perfectly fine with Israel taking over the whole of that land.
Otherwise, you simply CAN NOT push out an entire population.

I've shown your fallacies and demonstrated your defective thinking.
You haven't demonstrated anything except how incredibly delusional you are, praising your own arguments and claiming to be some 'logician'. Now you're claiming that my thinking is defective. Explain and prove your claim, otherwise it's worthless just like the rest of your posts.

You clearly are not interesting in debating, since you know there is absolutely no way you can justify Israel's actions. No matter how many little facts you change, how much propaganda you spread, the fact is: Israel is an apartheid regime which was formed by conquering an entire population and pushing them into open prisons. There is no way you can deny that or justify that. So go ahead, call me whatever you want, go for all the ad-hominem you possibly can. Keep saying I am wrong because I am a Pakistani Muslim. Keep criticising me for presumably 'not speaking up' against things. Keep basing your arguments on delusions. Keep demonizing the Muslims and Palestinians. Go ahead, keep proving me right.
 
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what about hazara, ahmedi hindu sikh and don't forget the munafiq killing culture ? is that welcome in pakistan ? that happens quite frequently.

btw, does the name "Daniel Pearl" ring a bell ?

but nothing comes even close to the 1984 sikh massacre or the gujrat riots, does it?
 
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I can provide you plenty of proofs. I can fill a book with proofs. But then of course, you will dismiss them all as evil Muslim propaganda.

It's funny how you talk about Pakistanis not providing proofs while you carry on making an argument based on zero proof.


When was the last time Arabs killed innocent Jews? When was the last time a Pakistani cheered the deaths of Jews? When was the last time Arabs attacked Jews? Answer my questions and you get the answer to your own.
I speak up alright, if you chose not to hear it doesn't mean I don't speak up at all.


Oh I do want to know much, thank you very much if you can enlighten me. Honestly, I'd love to see what kind of knowledge leads your perspective.


Seriously? Nothing does. It is only acceptable if the Jews were a majority population in the areas they later took over, as was the case in the India/Pakistan partition or most other partitions in history.


The sentence you quoted was ''No form of law allows for a minority to take over a whole country''. Whole Country. Minority. The area that is now Pakistan was not the whole of India and Muslims were in fact the majority there. Medina is a different story, do not change the argument.


We have not established anything. It's your word against mine. You are accusing me of turning the truth upside down, so prove it. You are the one preaching Zionism, so explain it. As a human being I have every right to judge a facile and false argument. If you think you're better than me because you're a Zionist, you're proving my point that Zionism is bad.


'Logician'. You don't become a logician by calling yourself one. You have not demonstrated any contradictions. Not a single one. All your arguments are incorrect. Either explain them or admit that you are wrong.


What regime? Hamas? You Zionists were murdering them decades before Hamas even existed! Hamas exists because of what Israel did and continues to do. I condemn Hamas for the rocket attacks, the suicide bombings and everything wrong it has done. But then you can't deny it was Israel that pushed those people, the fighters, into such a situation that they ended up joining Hamas. You think they like it? You think they like fighting and dying? They don't have a choice left.
What other regime is there except Israel? The PA? What kind of delusions do you have?
Arab apartheid? Damn, you're seriously delusional. The Jewish settlements are not Jews moving into Arab neighborhoods. It's Jews Bulldozing their way in, building a huge *** fence and calling in the IDF to keep Arabs out. Tell me whose apartheid it is then. Jews may live wherever the hell they want. They just can't go around building countries and bulldozing people's homes. Just like Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Vegans or anyone else can not. Why should Jews have special treatment? Why are Zionists exempt from International Law?

And that's what you are going to say to every bit of proof and logic I show you. It is not a red herring. Do you even know what a red herring means?
The fact that Palestinian Muslims existed on the Palestinian Land as a majority for centuries before the modern state of Israel ever existed is the most important thing here. If they didn't exist, I'd be perfectly fine with Israel taking over the whole of that land.
Otherwise, you simply CAN NOT push out an entire population.


You haven't demonstrated anything except how incredibly delusional you are, praising your own arguments and claiming to be some 'logician'. Now you're claiming that my thinking is defective. Explain and prove your claim, otherwise it's worthless just like the rest of your posts.

You clearly are not interesting in debating, since you know there is absolutely no way you can justify Israel's actions. No matter how many little facts you change, how much propaganda you spread, the fact is: Israel is an apartheid regime which was formed by conquering an entire population and pushing them into open prisons. There is no way you can deny that or justify that. So go ahead, call me whatever you want, go for all the ad-hominem you possibly can. Keep saying I am wrong because I am a Pakistani Muslim. Keep criticising me for presumably 'not speaking up' against things. Keep basing your arguments on delusions. Keep demonizing the Muslims and Palestinians. Go ahead, keep proving me right.



you severely complicated your post by adding Hummus Hammas and other references.

Why it is so hard to focus on this thread and on Pakistan.

There are 350 million Arabs and 80-100 million Iranians to bitch about Hammas. Why we the Paks have to be

"Beganay ki shadi main Abudulla diwana"?


The thread is about Pakistan

So please focus on Pakistganis and their specific issues.


We have lost 50,000 innocent boys, girls, men, women, grand mas, granpas to this fascistic Pan-Islamism.

And posters like you continue spreading the same poison.

sadly.
 
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but nothing comes even close to the 1984 sikh massacre or the gujrat riots, does it?

go see..there is a thread running right now..two three days back some ahmadis were killed. see how pakistanis are busy discussing problems..pages of discussions...

don't open that mouth too much. OK ???
 
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Who rubbed what in who's face? The Palis and mullahs told Pakistanis to bend over and Pakistanis meekly complied.

Read this:

The Model UN fiasco: A dialogue with intolerance - Blogs - DAWN.COM

The Model UN fiasco: A dialogue with intolerance
By Faraz Talat
Published a day ago
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The Israel stall at the mock UN fair at the International Islamic University in Islamabad. —Online Photo




You know you’re intolerant, when you cannot even bear a ‘mock’ Israeli delegation in your university, let alone handle dialogue with a real one.

Recently, turmoil ensued at the model United Nations conference in the International Islamic University of Islamabad (IIUI), when the Israeli cultural stall caused outrage among the right-wing student body. I imagine the stall being part of the ‘Global Village’ festival, in which all participating delegations set up stalls representing their assigned countries.

The IIUI chapter of Islami Jamiat Taliba (IJT) staged a boisterous demonstration against the stall outside the National Press Club, resulting in the suspension of key staff members from the university. The event was cancelled after students smashed the contents of the Israeli stall and allegedly began terrorising the attendees.



Also read: State failure or failed state?



I’m an ardent fan of model UN conferences, having both hosted and participated in quite a few of them. It is a remarkable way to teach young people about diplomacy and international relations, and open them up to new, broader perspectives. Or as the IJT might put it, “Western agenda”.

I don’t believe the students and supervisors who set up the Israeli stall were actually Israeli or Jewish, and I strongly doubt they even truly believed in the arguments they made during the course of the conference.



Also read: Countering intolerance



I remember the last time I attended a model UN event in LUMS, I was assigned ‘Iran’. Despite my renowned repugnance for the Iranian legal system and the country’s political policies, I managed to play a convincing ‘Ahmedinejad-ian’ delegate, because that’s what model UN is about.

One may be forced to play the devil’s advocate, because we can’t all be assigned countries that we personally believe in. God knows, we can’t have a mock United Nations conference in Islamabad with 129 Pakistani delegations, and no Western representation!

The university’s response was to validate on-campus fanaticism by pandering to IJT’s demands. The IIUI spokesperson said that the university “strongly condemns” the Israeli cultural stall, but found it unnecessary to officially reprimand the baton-wielding, slogan-screaming, stall-smashing students; in doing so, setting a precedent that the university tolerates hooliganism as long as the indignation is righteous.

Not tolerated in IIUI, are faculty members who are simply doing their job, conducting the event the same way it has been conducted countless times before in other worthy educational institutes in Pakistan, not yet fully dominated by right-wing radicals. The event resulted in the suspension of the dean of the faculty of management sciences; a student advisor, and an assistant professor.



Also read: Patterns of intolerance



The fact that you can no longer even “pretend” to dispute the right-wing’s viewpoints without the fear of harsh retribution, epitomises the depth to which we have fallen in terms of ideological intolerance.





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The author is a doctor from Rawalpindi who writes mostly about science and prevalent social issues.

He tweets @FarazTalat.
 
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you severely complicated your post by adding Hummus Hammas and other references.

Why it is so hard to focus on this thread and on Pakistan.

There are 350 million Arabs and 80-100 million Iranians to bitch about Hammas. Why we the Paks have to be

"Beganay ki shadi main Abudulla diwana"?


The thread is about Pakistan

So please focus on Pakistganis and their specific issues.


We have lost 50,000 innocent boys, girls, men, women, grand mas, granpas to this fascistic Pan-Islamism.

And posters like you continue spreading the same poison.

sadly.
The other guy insisted on some Palestinian 'regime'. The only such thing I could think of was Hamas, as the Palestinians have no other form of government or military, Hamas is the closest to a regime they've got. It is relevant since the debate is about why Pakistanis hate Israel. 'Pan-Islamism' is a big problem, I agree with you on that but it's not exactly relevant as it's not about Islam but about Pakistanis rejecting Israel.
What poison am I spreading? If you think condemning Israel's crimes is 'poison', you might want to consider educating yourself.
 
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go see..there is a thread running right now..two three days back some ahmadis were killed. see how pakistanis are busy discussing problems..pages of discussions...

don't open that mouth too much. OK ???


like I said again nothing comes even close to the magnitude of atrocities you people did,
I follow those threads as well,
 
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like I said again nothing comes even close to the magnitude of atrocities you people did,
I follow those threads as well,

you should have added " in my opinion"

but then killing of somebody yesterday, in october 2014 in pakistan is equal to what happened in 1984 and 2002 in india to you.

There is no easy way to say it bro,your opinion means sh!t in terms of weight cause you act a true pakistani muslim. if it hurts, don't blame me.
 
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you should have added " in my opinion"

but then killing of somebody yesterday, in october 2014 in pakistan is equal to what happened in 1984 and 2002 in india to you.

There is no easy way to say it bro,your opinion means sh!t in terms of weight cause you act a true pakistani muslim. if it hurts, don't blame me.

awww judging by the reply it seems I aint the who's getting hurt over something that's never worth comparing with the magnitude of atrocities in your country,In a rational discussion what weighs the most is figures,you wanna come up with the figures? oh i forgot your bigotry only restricted you to come up with claims,you combine all the events here and you still will realize that the victims of such atrocities in your country are not worth comparable to ours.you seem to really care about the ones that died here, I wish you held the same sentiments about the people that die in your country, the only difference is the one who was responsible for such atrocities is your PM while the people who commit anything related would end up in jail.
Better poke in your own country's matter.
 
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awww judging by the reply it seems I aint the who's getting hurt over something that's never worth comparing with the magnitude of atrocities in your country,In a rational discussion what weighs the most is figures,you wanna come up with the figures? oh i forgot your bigotry only restricted you to come up with claims,you combine all the events here and you still will realize that the victims of such atrocities in your country are not worth comparable to ours.you seem to really care about the ones that died here, I wish you held the same sentiments about the people that die in your country, the only difference is the one who was responsible for such atrocities is your PM while the people who commit anything related would end up in jail.
Better poke in your own country's matter.

while you were poking at an indian and calling him names on the internet, a pakistani maybe killed a hazara or a shia or an ahmedi or a hindu or a christian or a sikh..at the same time.

but thats ok...that is just 1, 1 killed. not something worth looking at for you or your friends thanking you for your focus and wisdom ! keep it up bob ! :tup:
 
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Holding such booth for Israel strongly contradicts with Pakistan internal and foreign policies. We don't recognize State of Israel and condemn any kind of social and political memes of Israel within Pakistan's territory. And to Islamophobes ! Please don't burn your brain cells in relating every issue to Islam.
 
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while you were poking at an indian and calling him names on the internet, a pakistani maybe killed a hazara or a shia or an ahmedi or a hindu or a christian or a sikh..at the same time.

but thats ok...that is just 1, 1 killed. not something worth looking at for you or your friends thanking you for your focus and wisdom ! keep it up bob ! :tup:

thanks I'll keep that up.now go poke in your own matters.
isnt it funny that half of my family members have hazara origins and live side by side with shias while an indian is giving me a lecture about not killing them,makes perfect sense.
oh plz you dont have the right to say anything about sikhs does it, the worst treatment to them was done in your country, lets not remind you the massacre again.
 
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