Pakistani Special Forces should induct women in combat roles?

[Kompromat]

Women in SOF are being inducted in combat roles all over the world. It doesn't have to be the positions that require full participation in covert missions or counter insurgency.

There are some very specialized roles in SOF environment where women can outperform men. One of those areas is 'house searches'.

Trivial as it may sound to some, the need to have fully trained female SOF operatives magnifies in unconventional urban environments or in COIN operations when the SOF team needs to body search the females or kids for potential explosives strapped on to them by the insurgents etc

There are other roles where females are best suited like in female medic role for female injured civilians etc.

Small steps in this direction are already being taken by SOF/SWAT units in the federal police etc. However, i feel that there is need for training a small batch of female SOF operators by the top tier the Pakistani SOF apparatus, like in the SSG.

What are your opinions?

 

[Side-Winder]

do women need to be trained like the special forces just to do the jobs like house search/female body search etc? well,i think your idea is good but it's not worth implementing.special forces training isn't easy in any way. training, up to a certain standard can be given to them but not like the SSG guys

 

[Jf Thunder]

let me give you a little example:
we are going on an operation and suddenly a female fighter gets injured on the leg arms or any other place, now due to Muslims morality, they might not be able to give her first aid due to maybe some morality reasons. Now for a normal soldier that injured female soldier will be a mother/sister for him. now suppose they put her on a stretcher and cover her properly to take her to the nearest hospital, what if she dies during it due to not getting first aid? how will the rest of soldiers feel? and the loss of a man does not affect anything major, but a loss of a female may affect many things, maybe she has children? there are many more situations for this.
this is just my only concern.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

There are some very specialized roles in SOF environment where women can outperform men. One of those areas is 'house searches'.

Trivial as it may sound to some, the need to have fully trained female SOF operatives magnifies in unconventional urban environments or in COIN operations when the SOF team needs to body search the females or kids for potential explosives strapped on to them by the insurgents etc

I regret to disagree
at this sharp end of the stick a special services team cant afford to be politically correct. just to do body searches. if SOF is called in then basic moral, religious considerations have to be set aside or else the mission will be compromised and adhering to these sentiments can reduce the entire team into many unidentifiable lumps of meat.

the one and only reason i will support any female or transsexual or whatever gender is if that person fits the strict selection cafeteria and is not there for calender and media photo shoot.

I know a female army officer who did the PMA assault courses and press ups and shooting etc as good as top lads and has been a known face during her passing out. so I agree that women can be as good as men or even can outperform them. but their inclusion should be strictly on their mental and physical abilities.

having female police members for regular house searches is fine and having them in customs also makes sense but in a tense SSG operation having to wait for a woman to do a body search might be too late.

imagine this, what if the female member is the first one who gets shot in the face and is KIA? what then? call back HQ to request another woman so that Jamat Islami doesnt get upset while bomb strapped Baji is going to blow her self up any moment while hiding among other innocent women?

if Islam is in danger then ditch the whole idea.. why not just touch any woman and get killed by the terrorists? after all some dim wit idiots in uniform think that their reason to be trained and equipped is to become shaheed (not kill the enemy and be successful in the mission).

you have 3 minutes..
yes 3 minutes to cause a surprise or recover from an ambush. if your rule book wants you to wait for your female colleague to come forward to frisk a female suspect then might as well hand over the gun to the suspect and go out and join Jamat Islami anti NATO march.

on the other hand if the situation allows for having the luxury of a female staff member then simply request help from local police , dont bother the SSG, let our eagle squad chaps handle the situation, they train with our best and are very capable its only sad that they are picked up by our ruling party politicians to escort their family to do shopping runs and perform house guard duties.

 

[Jf Thunder]

I regret to disagree
at this sharp end of the stick a special services team cant afford to be politically correct. just to do body searches. if SOF is called in then basic moral, religious considerations have to be set aside or else the mission will be compromised and adhering to these sentiments can reduce the entire team into many unidentifiable lumps of meat.

the one and only reason i will support any female or transsexual or whatever gender is if that person fits the strict selection cafeteria and not is not there for calender and media photo shoot.

I know a female army officer who did the PMA assault courses and press ups and shooting etc as good as top lads and has been a known face during her passing out. so I agree that women can be as good as men or even can outperform them. but their inclusion should be strictly on their mental and physical abilities.

having female police members for regular house searches is fine and having them in customs also makes sense but in a tense SSG operation having to wait for a woman to do a body search might be too late.

imagine this, what if the female member is the first one who gets shot in the face and is KIA? what then? call back HQ to request another woman so that Jamat Islami doesnt get upset while bomb strapped Baji is going to blow her self up any moment while hiding among other innocent women?

if Islam is in danger then ditch the whole idea.. why not just not touch any woman and get killed by the terrorists? after all some dim wit idiots in uniform think that their reason to be trained and equipped is to become shaheed (not kill the enemy and be successful in the mission).

you have 3 minutes..
yes 3 minutes to cause a surprise or recover from an ambush. if your rule book wants you to wait for your female colleague to come forward to frisk a female suspect then might as well hand over the gun to the suspect and go out and point Jamat Islami anti NATO march.

on the other hand if the situation allows for having the luxury of a female staff member then simply request help from local police , dont bother the SSG, let our eagle squad chaps handle the situation, they train with our best and are very capable its only sad that they are picked up by our ruling party politicians to escort their family to do shopping runs and perform house guard duties.

well i have to agree with that, but it seems too saddening to me to loose a female in place of a male because many things depend on the female, sorry but my argument was out of context i had kept an all out war scenario in mind.

 

[kbd-raaf]

Idk about Pakistan, but in Australia, females are not allowed in combatant roles and for good reason.

There is a very small minority of women that could meet the physical standards for the regular forces, but by and large they won't be able to. For non-combatant roles, I can accept less than equal physical standards.

The special forces is another story. There can't be any lapse in standards for them.

 

[RangerPK]

If they are up to the merit, then sure. If it is because of some sort of a quota to shut up some whinny feminists in USA who either hate their husbands or turned lesbians. Then no.

 

[Aamna14]

If they are up to the merit, then sure. If it is because of some sort of a quota to shut up some whinny feminist in USA who either hate their husbands or turned lesbians. Then no.

That was seriously funny lol

 

[zulfiqar74]

let me give you a little example:
we are going on an operation and suddenly a female fighter gets injured on the leg arms or any other place, now due to Muslims morality, they might not be able to give her first aid due to maybe some morality reasons. Now for a normal soldier that injured female soldier will be a mother/sister for him. now suppose they put her on a stretcher and cover her properly to take her to the nearest hospital, what if she dies during it due to not getting first aid? how will the rest of soldiers feel? and the loss of a man does not affect anything major, but a loss of a female may affect many things, maybe she has children? there are many more situations for this.
this is just my only concern.

What you said is the most dumb thing i have ever heard. I think you have a very wrong approach to this issue, your thoughts are very narrow and unislamic. I think your muslim morality just died. If a female combat personal gets injured in the line of fire, for any soldier, she is just a soldier who is standing next to him defending the country, forming part of a company of brotherhood, if she needs help then a fellow soldier should provide her with any sort of medical assistance needed to save her life. ( how can you even think such shit) Tell me where is it written in muslim morality or Quran that in islam a male soldier, cannot help a female soldier if she gets injured......



So you are telling me these Pakistan Army soldiers are doing something that is against islamic morality??????

My question to you is if you walking down the street with your sister and she falls down and injure her self, will you help her or leave her there as she is a female and you cannot touch a female. another example is if there is an accident and an unknown female is injured and needs help, will you help her or just leave her dying on the road.... I think Allah will punish you for not helping your fellow being, Islam is not segregated between male and female but based on humanity there is no male or female in humanity..


As for training females for special ops or as commandos, yes females can become commandos but it would not be advised as it might limit the function of a squad, and lets be honest, hand to hand combat a female would not be an equal match she might have the strength disadvantage unless she is bruce lee or jacky chan..........

 

[Jf Thunder]

What you said is the most dumb thing i have ever heard. I think you have a very wrong approach to this issue, your thoughts are very narrow and unislamic. I think your muslim morality just died. If a female combat personal gets injured in the line of fire, for any soldier, she is just a soldier who is standing next to him defending the country, forming part of a company of brotherhood, if she needs help then a fellow soldier should provide her with any sort of medical assistance needed to save her life. ( how can you even think such shit) Tell me where is it written in muslim morality or Quran that in islam a male soldier, cannot help a female soldier if she gets injured......

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So you are telling me these Pakistan Army soldiers are doing something that is against islamic morality??????

My question to you is if you walking down the street with your sister and she falls down and injure her self, will you help her or leave her there as she is a female and you cannot touch a female. another example is if there is an accident and an unknown female is injured and needs help, will you help her or just leave her dying on the road.... I think Allah will punish you for not helping your fellow being, Islam is not segregated between male and female but based on humanity there is no male or female in humanity..


As for training females for special ops or as commandos, yes females can become commandos but it would not be advised as it might limit the function of a squad, and lets be honest, hand to hand combat a female would not be an equal match she might have the strength disadvantage unless she is bruce lee or jacky chan..........

wow, dude, i never thought about it that way, i understand now, thank you for explaining ^_^

 

[Donatello]

I regret to disagree
at this sharp end of the stick a special services team cant afford to be politically correct. just to do body searches. if SOF is called in then basic moral, religious considerations have to be set aside or else the mission will be compromised and adhering to these sentiments can reduce the entire team into many unidentifiable lumps of meat.

the one and only reason i will support any female or transsexual or whatever gender is if that person fits the strict selection cafeteria and is not there for calender and media photo shoot.

I know a female army officer who did the PMA assault courses and press ups and shooting etc as good as top lads and has been a known face during her passing out. so I agree that women can be as good as men or even can outperform them. but their inclusion should be strictly on their mental and physical abilities.

having female police members for regular house searches is fine and having them in customs also makes sense but in a tense SSG operation having to wait for a woman to do a body search might be too late.

imagine this, what if the female member is the first one who gets shot in the face and is KIA? what then? call back HQ to request another woman so that Jamat Islami doesnt get upset while bomb strapped Baji is going to blow her self up any moment while hiding among other innocent women?

if Islam is in danger then ditch the whole idea.. why not just touch any woman and get killed by the terrorists? after all some dim wit idiots in uniform think that their reason to be trained and equipped is to become shaheed (not kill the enemy and be successful in the mission).

you have 3 minutes..
yes 3 minutes to cause a surprise or recover from an ambush. if your rule book wants you to wait for your female colleague to come forward to frisk a female suspect then might as well hand over the gun to the suspect and go out and join Jamat Islami anti NATO march.

on the other hand if the situation allows for having the luxury of a female staff member then simply request help from local police , dont bother the SSG, let our eagle squad chaps handle the situation, they train with our best and are very capable its only sad that they are picked up by our ruling party politicians to escort their family to do shopping runs and perform house guard duties.

I agree. Religion should not be responsible for compromising your mission. Remember, Islam asks you to fight for your land only when the war has been thrust upon you. Once the enemy has laid down the arms, you have to have some mercy. That is the Islamic way, that is the moral way.

 

[Ra'ad]

Not a good idea.

 

[Informant]

let me give you a little example:
we are going on an operation and suddenly a female fighter gets injured on the leg arms or any other place, now due to Muslims morality, they might not be able to give her first aid due to maybe some morality reasons. Now for a normal soldier that injured female soldier will be a mother/sister for him. now suppose they put her on a stretcher and cover her properly to take her to the nearest hospital, what if she dies during it due to not getting first aid? how will the rest of soldiers feel? and the loss of a man does not affect anything major, but a loss of a female may affect many things, maybe she has children? there are many more situations for this.
this is just my only concern.

That Muslim Morality mentality led to the deaths of tens of girls in a saudi hostel fire? I'll tell you why, the girls werent let out because the mullas thought they would do great injustice to people/god/religion if they saved their lives and came out infront of men. What was the solution? Lock them up till the fire fighters arrived. In the end all of them were toast. In combat there is no god, there is you, there is them, and then there is luck.

Now about women being in combat, nothing wrong with it, but with more than enough men i dont see the need to it. Women and men are equal in society ( well maybe not for our fucked up society ) but physically men are more stronger, faster, tougher, taller, harder, and can take a bit of roughing up. That would place most women at a backfoot. But if they pass all the requirements then its all good. Then again the macho bravado thing we men have is that most of us cant see a woman in distress, amplify that by your squad mate. When she is down this will take a toll significantly more than people realize.

Not everything is about Islam and our insecurities with haya.

 

[Jf Thunder]

That Muslim Morality mentality led to the deaths of tens of girls in a saudi hostel fire? I'll tell you why, the girls werent let out because the mullas thought they would do great injustice to people/god/religion if they saved their lives and came out infront of men. What was the solution? Lock them up till the fire fighters arrived. In the end all of them were toast. In combat there is no god, there is you, there is them, and then there is luck.

Now about women being in combat, nothing wrong with it, but with more than enough men i dont see the need to it. Women and men are equal in society ( well maybe not for our fucked up society ) but physically men are more stronger, faster, tougher, taller, harder, and can take a bit of roughing up. That would place most women at a backfoot. But if they pass all the requirements then its all good. Then again the macho bravado thing we men have is that most of us cant see a woman in distress, amplify that by your squad mate. When she is down this will take a toll significantly more than people realize.

Not everything is about Islam and our insecurities with haya.

dude, God is everywhere ._. and as for the hostel, KILL THOSE MULLAHS. and i was lost for a time, but now i see, when there is danger to life then one may ignore the limits of "haya" and there is nothing wrong with our society, it is the extremists who take everything to the extremes. as for Saudi Arabia, please dont comapre Pakistan with them, their laws are a bit mixture of modern laws and Islamic laws so there is a bit "khichri" there. like the Quran says
"if you save one human it is as you have saved the whole of humanity, and if you have killed one human then it is as if you have killed the whole of humanity"
so i think the mullahs in Saudi Arabia just killed a whole lot of humanity ._.

 

[Informant]

dude, God is everywhere ._. and as for the hostel, KILL THOSE MULLAHS. and i was lost for a time, but now i see, when there is danger to life then one may ignore the limits of "haya" and there is nothing wrong with our society, it is the extremists who take everything to the extremes. as for Saudi Arabia, please dont comapre Pakistan with them, their laws are a bit mixture of modern laws and Islamic laws so there is a bit "khichri" there. like the Quran says
"if you save one human it is as you have saved the whole of humanity, and if you have killed one human then it is as if you have killed the whole of humanity"
so i think the mullahs in Saudi Arabia just killed a whole lot of humanity ._.

They dont have worldly laws mixed with Islam, they have their *** backwards culture with their bullshit customs mixed with Islam to satisfy the egos and insecurities of equally *** backward barbarians saudis. Now where in the hell do they come up with a law that women cant drive. That shit has so so so much crazy even Allah would be like wtf.

We have the same issues with our mullas here, plus our tribals are equally if not more assbackwards. Thinking guns are a man's jewellery, no wonder they are still living with cave mentality and couldnt be any further from Islam with their tribal fucking bs customs and what not.

Hey if a mulla stamp is on anything then i guess thats that, and if we go against it then we're kuffar and asshole narrowminded two bit mullas like the resident PDF terrorist sympathizer Zarvan will put a fatwa for qatl on you and stroke his beard parroting alhamdulillah, jazakAllah. Such is our conundrum.