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Pakistani Punjab must pay the price for terror

So what are you ppl mad , to screw up and fix your self? The world has moved on while pakistan is staying in 80's playing with terrorists. "mighty 4 million red army with 20,000 nukes" :blah: enuf of this nonsense, soviet union fell under its own weight not due to some dumb country. If pakistan was so good , there would have been no bangladesh or kashmir left with india.

But anyway its good pakistan is still stuck in the 80's ......hit another 10 years later you will have stone age. Hope they implement sharia asap.

Say whatever u want kid, we have 40-50% kashmir (gilgit baltistan/AJK) which u whine about that we occupied it, if u were so good it wouldn't be with us, this is the age of asymmetric warfare, your ajit doval is a big proponent of this , ask him why is he stuck in 80's ...if you resort to interference in our country we will pay you back in the same currency, and soviet union couldn't handle afghanistan, had we not interfered they would have expanded to arabian sea !!!
 
Wow amazing, technology has become so advanced that a mutt head caveman can use internet:partay:.
Well, that's your buddy afghans i am a Pakistani... and i am glad that your piss poor self has an internet cafe to access internet, hopefully the cum stains don't foil your clothes unless of course you like them... :)

indian attitude on this thread has been nothing less of shameful, i guess rejoicing on each others death is gonna be a pdf policy soon...
 
Mukti Bahini was not terrorist. Even pakistan has never declared them terrorist. They were some brave people who raised their voice against the biggest genocide of the century. Hates off to them.

Now Baloachs are raising their voice. They too shall get freedom and become a happy country like Bangladesh is today.
The Multi Bahini carried out mass rapes and massacres of pro-Pakistan Bengalis, Biharis and West Pakistani non-combatants - that constitutes terrorism under any definition.

And as has been pointed out in various threads in the Military History section, there is no credible evidence of a genoide or 'millions killed by the PA+Razakars, with verified estimates suggesting deaths in the high tens of thousands, shared equally between the Mukti Bahini terrorists and PA+Razakaars.

The Baloch simply don't have the demographic numbers to replicate East Pakistan, nor is the political situation (No martial law, a Baloch nationalist party is running the government in Balochistan) even close to that in East Pakistan. So this 'Baloch Independence' Indian wet dream is going to remain just that, Modi and Doval's wet dream as they fap to Modi's 56 inch chest.

Had we been a terrorist nation, we would have eleiminated by now.
India is a terrorist nation - proxy wars and forced occupation and annexation in Junagadh, Munavadh, Hyderabad - support for LTTE terrorists in Sri Lanka and Multi Bahini terrorists in East Pakistan - those actions clearly establish the terrorist and proxy war supporting nature of the Indian State.

Historically, Indian actions make clear that she fits the profile of a 'greedy state' perfectly, and has been the largest proponent of proxy wars and terrorism in South Asia.
 
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Not only is author's idea of targetting Pakistani civilians foolish but the author seems to have limited knowledge in regard to Pakistani Punjab in regard to terrorism

Southern and Western Punjab are screwed up beyond repair when it comes to extremist recruitment

Given the situation citizens of Punjab are as good as dead.

Cable reference id: #08LAHORE302

Derived from: DSCG 05-1, B,D

¶1. (S/NF) Summary: During recent trips to southern Punjab, Principal Officer was repeatedly told that a sophisticated jihadi recruitment network had been developed in the Multan, Bahawalpur, and Dera Ghazi Khan Divisions. The network reportedly exploited worsening poverty in these areas of the province to recruit children into the divisions' growing Deobandi and Ahl-eHadith madrassa network from which they were indoctrinated into jihadi philosophy, deployed to regional training/indoctrination centers, and ultimately sent to terrorist training camps in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). Locals believed that charitable activities being carried out by Deobandi and Ahl-e-Hadith organizations, including Jamaat-ud-Dawa, the Al-Khidmat Foundation, and Jaish-e-Mohammad were further strengthening reliance on extremist groups and minimizing the importance of traditionally moderate Sufi religious leaders in these communities. Government and non-governmental sources claimed that financial support estimated at nearly 100 million USD annually was making its way to Deobandi and Ahl-e-Hadith clerics in the region from "missionary" and "Islamic charitable" organizations in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates ostensibly with the direct support of those governments. Locals repeatedly requested USG support for socio-economic development and the promotion of moderate religious leaders in the region as a direct counter to the growing extremist threat. End Summary.

¶2. (S/NF) During a recent visit to the southern Punjabi cities of Multan and Bahawalpur, Principal Officer's discussions with religious, political, and civil society leaders were dominated by discussions of the perceived growing extremist threat in Seraiki and Baloch areas in southern and western Punjab. Interlocutors repeatedly stressed that recruitment activities by extremist religious organizations, particularly among young men between the ages of 8 and 15, had increased dramatically over the last year. Locals blamed the trend on a strengthening network of Deobandi and Ahl-e-Hadith mosques and madrassas, which they claimed had grown exponentially since late 2005. Such growth was repeatedly attributed to an influx of "Islamic charity" that originally reached Pakistani pseudo-religious organizations, such as Jamaat-ud-Dawa and the Al-Khidmat foundation, as relief for earthquake victims in Kashmir and the North West Frontier Province. Locals believe that a portion of these funds was siphoned to Deobandi and Ahl-e-Hadith clerics in southern and western Punjab in order to expand these sects' presence in a traditionally hostile, but potentially fruitful, recruiting ground. The initial success of establishing madrassas and mosques in these areas led to subsequent annual "donations" to these same clerics, originating in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. The value of such donations was uncertain, although most interlocutors believed that it was in the region of $100 million annually.


¶3. (S/NF) According to local interlocutors, current recruitment activities generally exploit families with multiple children, particularly those facing severe financial difficulties in light of inflation, poor crop yields, and growing unemployment in both urban and rural areas in the southern and western Punjab. Oftentimes, these families are identified and initially approached/assisted by ostensibly "charitable" organizations including Jamaat-ud-Dawa (a front for designated foreign terrorist organization Lashkar-e-Tayyaba), the Al-Khidmat Foundation (linked to religious political party Jamaat-e-Islami), or Jaish-e-Mohammad (a charitable front for the designated foreign terrorist organization of the same name).


¶4. (S/NF) The local Deobandi or Ahl-e-Hadith maulana will generally be introduced to the family through these organizations. He will work to convince the parents that their poverty is a direct result of their family's deviation from "the true path of Islam" through "idolatrous" worship at local Sufi shrines and/or with local Sufi Peers. The maulana suggests that the quickest way to return to "favor" would be to devote the lives of one or two of their sons to Islam. The maulana will offer to educate these children at his madrassa and to find them employment in the service of Islam. The concept of "martyrdom" is often discussed and the family is promised that if their sons are "martyred" both the sons and the family will attain "salvation" and the family will obtain God's favor in this life, as well. An immediate cash payment is finally made to the parents to compensate the family for its "sacrifice" to Islam. Local sources claim that the current average rate is approximately Rps. 500,000 (approximately USD 6500) per son. A small number of Ahl-e-Hadith clerics in Dera Ghazi Khan district are reportedly recruiting daughters as well.


¶5. (S/NF) The path following recruitment depends upon the age of the child involved. Younger children (between 8 and 12) seem to be favored. These children are sent to a comparatively small, extremist Deobandi or Ahl-e-Hadith madrassa in southern or western Punjab generally several hours from their family home. Locals were uncertain as to the exact number of madrassas used for this initial indoctrination purpose, although they believed that with the recent expansion, they could number up to 200. These madrassas are generally in isolated areas and are kept small enough (under 100 students) so as not to draw significant attention. At these madrassas, children are denied contact with the outside world and taught sectarian extremism, hatred for non-Muslims, and anti-Western/anti-Pakistan government philosophy. Contact between students and families is forbidden, although the recruiting maulana periodically visits the families with reports full of praise for their sons' progress. "Graduates" from these madrassas are either (1) employed as Deobandi/Ahl-e-Hadith clerics or madrassa teachers or (2) sent on to local indoctrination camps for jihad. Teachers at the madrassa appear to make the decision based on their read of the child's willingness to engage in violence and acceptance of jihadi culture versus his utility as an effective proponent of Deobandi or Ahl-e-Hadith ideology/recruiter.

¶6. (S/NF) Children recruited at an older age and "graduates" chosen for jihad proceed to more sophisticated indoctrination camps focused on the need for violence and terrorism against the Pakistan government and the West. Locals identified three centers reportedly used for this purpose. The most prominent of these is a large complex that ostensibly has been built at Khitarjee (sp?). Locals placed this site in Bahawalpur District on the Sutlej River north of the village of Ahmedpur East at the border of the districts of Multan, Bahawalpur, and Lodhran. The second complex is a newly built "madrassa" on the outskirts of Bahawalpur city headed by a devotee of Jaish-e-Mohammad leader Maulana Masood Azhar identified only as Maulana Al-Hajii (NFI). The third complex is an Ahl-e-Hadith site on the outskirts of Dera Ghazi Khan city about which very limited information was available. Locals asserted that these sites were primarily used for indoctrination and very limited military/terrorist tactic training. They claimed that following several months of indoctrination at these centers youth were generally sent on to more established training camps in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and then on to jihad either in FATA, NWFP, or as suicide bombers in settled areas. Many worried that these youth would eventually return to try and impose their extremist version of Islam in the southern and western Punjab and/or to carry out operations in these areas.

¶7. (S/NF) Interlocutors repeatedly chastised the government for its failure to act decisively against indoctrination centers, extremist madrassas, or known prominent leaders such as Jaish-e-Mohammad's Masood Azhar. One leading Sufi scholar and a Member of the Provincial Assembly informed Principal Officer that he had personally provided large amounts of information on the location of these centers, madrassas, and personalities to provincial and national leaders, as well as the local police. He was repeatedly told that "plans" to deal with the threat were being "evolved" but that direct confrontation was considered "too dangerous." The Bahawalpur District Nazim told Principal Officer that he had repeatedly highlighted the growing threat to the provincial and federal governments but had received no support in dealing with it. He blamed politics, stating that unless he was willing to switch parties -- he is currently with the Pakistan Muslim League -- neither the Pakistan Muslim League - Nawaz provincial nor the Pakistan Peoples Party federal governments would take his requests seriously. The brother of the Federal Minister for Religious Affairs, and a noted Brailvi/Sufi scholar in his own right, Allama Qasmi blamed government intransigence on a culture that rewarded political deals with religious extremists. He stressed that even if political will could be found, the bureaucracy in the Religious Affairs, Education, and Defense Ministries remained dominated by Zia-ul-Haq appointees who favored the Deobandi and Ahl-e-Hadith religious philosophies. This bureaucracy, Qasmi claimed, had repeatedly blocked his brother's efforts to push policy in a different direction.

¶8. (S/NF) Interlocutors repeatedly requested USG assistance for the southern and western Punjab, believing that an influx of western funds could counter the influence of Deobandi/Ahl-e-Hadith clerics. Principal Officer was repeatedly reminded that these religious philosophies were alien to the southern and western Punjab -- which is the spiritual heartland of South Asia's Sufi communities. Their increasing prominence was directly attributed to poverty and external funding. Locals believed that socio-economic development programs, particularly in education, agriculture, and employment generation, would have a direct, long-term impact in minimizing receptivity to extremist movements. Similarly, they pressed for immediate relief efforts -- particularly food distribution and income support -- to address communities' immediate needs. Several interlocutors also encouraged direct USG support to Brailvi/Sufi religious institutions, arguing that these represented the logical antithesis to Deobandi and Ahl-e-Hadith philosophy and that if adequately funded, they could stem the tide of converts away from their moderate beliefs. Comment

¶9. (S/NF) A jihadi recruiting network relying on Deobandi and Ahl-e-Hadith religious, charitable, and educational institutions is increasing its work in impoverished districts of southern and western Punjab. Local economic conditions coupled with foreign financing appear to be transforming a traditionally moderate area of the country into a fertile recruiting ground for terrorist organizations. The provincial and federal governments, while fully aware of the problem, appear to fear direct confrontation with these extremist groups. Local governments lack the resources and federal/provincial support to deal with these organizations on their own. The moderate Brailvi/Sufi community is internally divided into followers of competing spiritual leaders and lacks the financial resources to act as an effective counterweight to well-funded and well-organized extremists.

¶10. (S/NF) Post believes that this growing recruitment network poses a direct threat to USG counter-terrorism and counter-extremism efforts in Pakistan. Intervention at this stage in the southern and western Punjab could still be useful to counter the prevailing trends favoring extremist organizations. USAID development resources in agriculture, economic growth, education, and infrastructure development are useful and necessary and will address some of the immediate needs. In post's view short-term, quick impact programs are required which focus on: (1) immediate relief in the form of food aid and microcredit, (2) cash for work and community-based, quick-impact infrastructure development programs focusing on irrigation systems, schools, and other critical infrastructure, and (3) strategic communication programs designed to educate on the dangers of the terrorist recruiting networks and to support counter-terrorist, counter-extremist messages. HUNT


Heck these Punjabi recruits even fill up TTP's ranks

Cable reference id: #09ISLAMABAD237

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¶9. (C) The Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) was formed in 1985 in Jhang, Punjab by anti-Shia clerics. This banned terrorist organization is focused on sectarian violence and the group was originally supported by Zia-ul-Haq's government in a move to counter Shia Iran's influence in Pakistan. The funding for SSP comes from both external and local sources such as the trader-merchant class in Jhang. SSP was responsible for the rise in sectarian violence in the 1980s and 1990s. SSP advocates Deobandi ideology and has served as the basic ISLAMABAD 00002576 003 OF 004 ideological and militant birthing ground for other militant groups. The group was linked with the 1997 attack on former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, and they take credit for killing several Shia doctors in Karachi in 2001. Recently, the SSP has resurged in Southern Punjab and has links with other militant outfits. Qari Hussain, the most feared deputy of Tehreek Taliban Pakistan's (TTP) recently killed leader, Baitullah Mehsud, came out of SSP and many of the TTP's foot soldiers are from SSP ranks. (Note. The SSP is also believed to be behind the violence against Christians in Punjab in late August and early September 2009. End Note.)

¶10. (C) Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) grew out of SSP and was founded in Bhakkar, South Punjab. The Deobandi organization was initially focused on the elimination of Shias, but after 9/11 its attention shifted to fighting the war on terror against the United States. According to Siddiqa, LeJ was the first militant group to send recruits to Al-Qaeda, through LeJ's contacts with wealthy Arabs who visited Southern Punjab. LeJ has strong connections with prominent terrorists, including Khaled Sheikh Mohammad and Abu Musab al Zarqawi. The LeJ and Taliban currently have linked networks that allow the Taliban to carry out terrorist attacks in Punjab with LeJ assistance. According to Amir Rana, Director of Pakistan Institute of Peace Studies, LeJ also has powerful networks in Karachi and Quetta.

¶11. (C) Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) is another SSP breakaway Deobandi organization that was started by Masood Azhar of Bahawalpur after he returned from India in 2000. (Note: Azhar was arrested in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir in 1993, was exchanged by the Indian government for passengers hijacked to Afghanistan on an Indian Airlines flight in 1999, and subsequently returned to Pakistan with the help of Afghanistan's then-Taliban government and Pakistan's intelligence agencies. End Note.) JeM has had a long-standing relationship with intelligence agencies, and according to Rana, it is the only militant outfit still under Inter-Service Intelligence's (ISI) protective umbrella. JeM continues to be dedicated to the Kashmir fight; however, the group maintains ties to the Taliban and al-Qaeda. Umar Saeed Sheikh, Daniel Pearl's convicted murderer, was also part of JeM.

¶12. (C) Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) is an organization based in the Central Punjab city of Muridke, but has spread across Southern Punjab as well. It is ideologically Wahhabi, making it different from its militant Deobandi cousins. LeT, and its subsequent cover charitable organization Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JUD), attract a broad range of supporters, including women, through their welfare work in the Seraiki belt, earthquake-affected Azad Jammu-Kashmir, and among Swat's internally displaced population. The Mumbai attacks were masterminded by LeT operatives and they continue to focus on militancy against India. The group was created and trained by Pakistani intelligence services to fight a proxy war against India. According to Rana, LeT leadership has ideological and operational disagreements with TTP and does not allow its militants to attack the Pakistani government.

¶13. (C) Since the 1980s, there has been a history of Punjabi extremists fighting and training alongside Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Rabbani, and now the Taliban in Afghanistan. Siddiqa estimates 5000-9000 Punjabi youth are fighting currently in the FATA and Afghanistan. CRSS's Gul argues that TTP has strong network links with radical groups such as SSP and LeJ, and many Taliban leaders have studied at madrassas in Southern Punjab. Rana explained that the TTP are capitalizing on the pool of militant recruits already indoctrinated by JeM, LeT, and LeJ in these areas, but the actual arms training takes place in the NWFP and FATA. The Taliban is using the Punjabi militant network to carry out many of the terrorist attacks in Islamabad, Lahore, and other settled areas of Pakistan. FATA parliamentarians claim that many of the Taliban fighters in their agencies are actually Seraiki, and that much of the training comes from existing Punjabi militant commanders.
 
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@Syama Ayas
Asmatullah Muaviya, the sectarian Punjabi Taliban chief with ideological links to the SSP surrendered over a year ago and committed to pursuing his goals politically.

The LEJ chief and over a dozen of his main supporters were recently killed. While the situation may be far from ideal, a lot of steps have been taken to cut down the Sunni sectarian elements in Punjab and Balochistan.
 
@Syama Ayas

The LEJ chief and over a dozen of his main supporters were recently killed. While the situation may be far from ideal, a lot of steps have been taken to cut down the Sunni sectarian elements in Punjab and Balochistan.

Good to know about progress, but current Pakistani military operations against TTP will be of little value unless their recruitment from Punjab is targeted.
 
Which is a allegation Pakistan rejects, and one India needs to establish in the UNSC.
I've discovered a new (2012) guide published by the U.N. on implementing 1373 and related international law: link. I haven't read it through yet, it mostly covers legal and legislative matters "because of the variety of approaches taken by Governments in their efforts to counter terrorism, some are military, most are civilian". Note that makes it clear that member-states have a lot of leeway in how they can respond to terrorism in 1373, including military responses if a member-state does nothing:

The international counter-terrorism instruments contain mandatory and discretionary aspects related to jurisdiction. The mandatory elements include the requirement for the State to establish territorial jurisdiction if the offence is committed within its territory, if committed by nationals or on board an aircraft or vessel registered with it. Additionally, States must establish jurisdiction over the offence to either prosecute or extradite an alleged offender present in the territory of the State...

Note the use of the word "mandatory". UNSCR 1373 a Chapter VII resolution, the strongest the U.N. can make, which (if it doesn't conflict with the UNSC limitations of the Charter) makes it binding upon member-states. Failure to act on a valid mandatory element thus nulls a member-state's sovereignty on this element as far as the U.N. is concerned. So if India has the goods it can attack terror targets on Pakistani territory and Pakistan will have no sovereign basis to complain to the U.N. or justify to the U.N. a military response afterwards.

As near as I can tell it isn't that "India needs to establish in the UNSC" its allegations - under 1373 the UNSC doesn't have to decide upon military action or not. Rather, the prerequisite for action may be clarification of local laws so what is criminal and what isn't is clear, followed by consultations between members if it's an international matter.

Solomon, the biggest joke is that the Pakistani Punjabis feel with the US leaving, they are suddenly going to sprout demon wings and unleash decade long leashed dogs of war on us.
If this is true I think Agnostic Muslim 's demand should be seen as a constructive suggestion, that India bring such incitement to war to the attention of the U.N. Security Council.

@Solomon2
India cast the first stones of a proxy war in 1947 by...
While I'm sympathetic to the sufferings of Kashmiris, what's entirely absent from your narrative is what Pakistan and Pakistan's leaders were up to. Without relevant context historical facts can be grossly misused. I've tried arguing this with a Pakistani professor but he insists that there is no such thing as objective history and thus Pakistani professors have the right to decide what is relevant based on the narrative they seek - anything else is "the arsenal of the hegemon".
 
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Failure to act on a valid mandatory element thus nulls a member-state's sovereignty on this element as far as the U.N. is concerned.
That's the central question - what/who determines 'failure to act on a valid mandatory element'?
As near as I can tell it isn't that "India needs to establish in the UNSC" its allegations - under 1373 the UNSC doesn't have to decide upon military action or not.
Without a State 'establishing its allegations' or a clarification on the 'mechanims identifying a failure to act on a valid mandatory element', how are hostile military attacks by one State against another justified under 1373 vs being unprovoked acts of military aggression against another State?
If this is true I think Agnostic Muslim 's demand should be seen as a constructive suggestion, that India bring such incitement to war to the attention of the U.N. Security Council.
Again, what is the mechanism that establishes 'failure to act on a valid mandatory element', and how is military action in response to the determination of such a 'failure' distinguished from unprovoked military aggression against another State?
While I'm sympathetic to the sufferings of Kashmiris, what's entirely absent from your narrative is what Pakistan and Pakistan's leaders were up to. Without relevant context historical facts can be grossly misused. I've tried arguing this with a Pakistani professor but he insists that there is no such thing as objective history and thus Pakistani professors have the right to decide what is relevant based on the narrative they seek - anything else is "the arsenal of the hegemon".
The context in my narrative is clear - diplomatic cables exchanged between India and Pakistan in the run up to Indian support for terrorists/insurgents in Junagadh make clear that India was aware of the accession of the State to Pakistan and was nonetheless openly rejecting said accession, while it continues to argue that the instrument of accession in J&K is the only legal means of determining accession. India stoked unrest in Junagadh (much as it did later in Hyderbad, provoking communal riots through its security forces in fact) and invaded and occupied the State before the Tribes entered J&K, so India can't argue 'reaction' as justification for this 'greedy terrorist State behavior'. If anything, India's outright refusal to follow the rules of accession in the case of Junagadh (as made clear in the diplomatic exchanges between India and Pakistan) played a role in solidifying support for intervention in J&K.

The gross abuse and neglect of 'historical context' is what has been shoved down our throats so far by people like yourself and Christine Fair. The actions of India and Afghanistan in supporting terrorist proxies and invading and annexing territory since 1947 is clear, and clearly shows them to be far more deserving of the mantle of 'greedy states' that hacks like Christine Fair have bestowed upon Pakistan.
 
That's the central question - what/who determines 'failure to act on a valid mandatory element'?
Yes.

Without a State 'establishing its allegations' or a clarification on the 'mechanims identifying a failure to act on a valid mandatory element', how are hostile military attacks by one State against another justified under 1373 vs being unprovoked acts of military aggression against another State?
Under 1373 t's not an "unprovoked act of military aggression against" a member-state but against terror entities on its territory; the principle of sovereignty is in abeyance.

Again, what is the mechanism that establishes 'failure to act on a valid mandatory element' -
I think it's called "diplomacy". And if diplomacy doesn't work....

The context in my narrative is clear - diplomatic cables exchanged between India and Pakistan in the run up to Indian support for terrorists/insurgents in Junagadh make clear that India was aware of the accession of the State to Pakistan -
You're on firmer ground when discussing Kashmir as the U.N. can call into question its status as territory of a member state. That doesn't apply to attacks on what is acknowledged by all to be Indian territory - like the 26/11 Mumbai attacks or Gurdaspur. So infrastructure and personnel used to attack what's acknowledged by the U.N. to be India are fair game under 1373, whether or not they are also employed in the Kashmir dispute.

The gross abuse and neglect of 'historical context'...actions of India and Afghanistan in supporting terrorist proxies and invading and annexing territory since 1947 is clear -
If you're relying exclusively on Pakistan's educational system I doubt you can be a judge of that and as pointed out before there's no provision in 1373 for the revenge you seek.
 
Yes.

Under 1373 t's not an "unprovoked act of military aggression against" a member-state but against terror entities on its territory; the principle of sovereignty is in abeyance.
You are going around in a circle without answering the question - who makes a determination that a military action claimed by a State to be under 1373 is in fact justified under 1373 and is not an unprovoked act of aggression by one state against another? What if the Russians argue that Ukraine is funneling support to Chechen Islamic terrorists with links to AQ and launch overt military assaults on Ukraine under 1373?
I think it's called "diplomacy". And if diplomacy doesn't work....
The greatest potential for abuse of 1373 (without any well defined mechanism to establish 'failure to act on a mandatory element as defined under 1373) will be in situations such as India and Pakistan, where diplomacy has not worked, especially with a genocidal Hindu nationalist maniac as Prime Minister of India and an Indian State that has demonstrated through history the desire to be a terrorist sponsoring, territory gobbling greedy State.
You're on firmer ground when discussing Kashmir as the U.N. can call into question its status as territory of a member state. That doesn't apply to attacks on what is acknowledged by all to be Indian territory - like the 26/11 Mumbai attacks or Gurdaspur. So infrastructure and personnel used to attack what's acknowledged by the U.N. to be India are fair game under 1373, whether or not they are also employed in the Kashmir dispute.

If you're relying exclusively on Pakistan's educational system I doubt you can be a judge of that and as pointed out before there's no provision in 1373 for the revenge you seek.
I wasn't making comparisons between Kashmir and Gurdaspur nor was I making any case or claim for 'revenge' (I'm not sure what exactly you are reading but it isn't my posts - though this tendency of attributing non-existent comments to me might explain the general dishonesty seen in Western academia of late when it comes to historical analyses of the behavior of India vs Pakistan). I was pointing out how your narrative about the rationale behind Pakistan's claim on Kashmir vs India's is a flawed and skewed one that serves only to demonize Pakistan while ignoring India's own significantly greater 'terrorist sponsoring greedy State behavior', and the facts I laid out supporting my narrative are sourced from non-Pakistani timelines. The events and timelines of India's interventions and invasions of Junagadh and Hyderabad are not in contention - what is in contention is the academic dishonesty displayed by so many in the West in choosing to completely ignore these events when reporting on India and Pakistan and giving India a pass on her violent, terrorist supporting, greedy State behavior.

The Pakistani State has nothing to do with the Gurdaspur attacks. In fact, the levels of violence seen in such isolated attacks pale in comparison to the levels of violence seen in cross-border drug smuggling and other criminal activities - the point here being that these levels of infiltration and violence can't be brought down any further without a parallel reduction in all cross-border non-terrorist criminal activity (in general the same routes and resources are used by non-terrorist criminal groups). The Indian media and establishment, in hyperventilating over these attacks and falsely implicating the Pakistani State in them is only serving to further their long term cause of demonizing Pakistan and refusing to accept her existence as a nation-State outside the Indian sphere of influence.
 
You are going around in a circle without answering the question - who makes a determination that a military action claimed by a State to be under 1373 is in fact justified under 1373 and is not an unprovoked act of aggression by one state against another?
Well, 1373 doesn't say anything about that, does it? Nor does it specify that action must be withheld until some sort of formal international determination is made.

The greatest potential for abuse of 1373 (without any well defined mechanism to establish 'failure to act on a mandatory element as defined under 1373) will be in situations such as India and Pakistan, where diplomacy has not worked, especially with a genocidal Hindu nationalist maniac as Prime Minister of India and an Indian State that has demonstrated through history the desire to be a terrorist sponsoring, territory gobbling greedy State.
This sort of thing does not give Pakistan either credibility or leeway.

I wasn't making comparisons between Kashmir and Gurdaspur nor was I making any case or claim for 'revenge' -
Thread topic is Gurdaspur. Sure looked like you were trying to justify terror in Kashmir on the basis of revenge for past injustice.

I was pointing out how your narrative about the rationale behind Pakistan's claim on Kashmir vs India's is a flawed and skewed one -
Until 1965 Pakistan was "the good guy". Choosing war simply because your leaders got impatient and felt they were strong enough offended most of the world's sensibilities. Pakistan demonized Pakistan.

...levels of violence seen in such isolated attacks pale in comparison -
Still doesn't give Pakistanis license for terror attacks.

...to the levels of violence seen in cross-border drug smuggling and other criminal activities - the point here being that these levels of infiltration and violence can't be brought down any further without a parallel reduction in all cross-border non-terrorist criminal activity -
This can be addressed, in part, through the legal and legislative mechanisms suggested by the 1373 guide.

The Indian media and establishment, in hyperventilating over these attacks and falsely implicating the Pakistani State -
Pakistan has grown too many demons for its denials of State involvement to be accepted at face value. And its histories are more like histrionics, if you're writing is a representative example; I think you want conquest, that's all.
 
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