Pakistani Nationalism - contradictions?

[-SINAN-]

@Imad.Khan

To add @Hakikat ve Hikmet is not Turkish, we think he is a Pakistani imposter but we don't know why he is doing this......

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

@Imad.Khan

To add @Hakikat ve Hikmet is not Turkish, we think he is a Pakistani imposter but we don't know why he is doing this......

As I have mentioned many times I am an Ottoman from the 19th century living in the 21st one!!!! And, I live far away from both Turkey and Pak with no persistent organic connections.....

 

[Desert Fox]

@Imad.Khan

To add @Hakikat ve Hikmet is not Turkish, we think he is a Pakistani imposter but we don't know why he is doing this......

Whatever he is, we like him. A true Ottoman carrying on the torch of the empire in these dark ages.

News for you. Pakistan represents and acts on behalf of all it's citizens ~ of whatever religion or creed. When you say 'Pakistan' it covers all citizens [Muslims/Christians etc but excludes Muslims of rest of the ummah.

Well said.

 

[Nefarious]

I don't think the problem here is Pakistan or its idea, the problem is with deluded Pakistani nationals.

I haven't seen Pakistan officially proclaim anything of the sort to be a leader in Muslim world.

I though have 100% seen Pakistanis proclaim their Muslim leadership role aspirations. But should we take these deluded people seriously and give them the time of day?

 

[Sugarcane]

Bhai Bengali, have you ever wondered why there is no mention of Zarathushtra or the Avesta in the Quran.

Ahlul Kitab means people of the Book right?

@LoveIcon

These are difficult questions for practicing Muslims in 2018 to answer. So I won't hold my breath.

Either for an answer or the inevitable ban.

Cheers, Doc

Doc Keep cheering and stop whining, Abrahamic books aren't history books that you want Zarathushtra or Avesta should be mentioned by name in them. And they're called Abrahamic religions for reason.

 

[JohnWick]

Doc Keep cheering and stop whining, Abrahamic books aren't history books that you want Zarathushtra or Avesta should be mentioned by name in them. And they're called Abrahamic religions for reason.

What reason?

 

[-SINAN-]

s I have mentioned many times I am an Ottoman from the 19th century living in the 21st one!!!!

What does this even means ???

Ottomans had their time, there were glorious times, there were miserable times and it ended like the all other empires.

 

[Sugarcane]

What reason?

From prophet Abraham onwards.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I'm not a fan of erdogan, i quiet dislike the guy. However, we can't deny that Erdogan might be the most popular Turkish leader after Ataturk.

Still, he is nowhere near Ataturk's level.

He is powerful yet popular only with his own base in the Turkish diaspora in Europe and Eastern Turkey however once Turkey becomes more urbanized the AKP will lose strength they are starting to rig the elections but time is not on their side

What does this even means ???

Ottomans had their time, there were glorious times, there were miserable times and it ended like the all other empires.

Neo Ottomanism is crazy and retarded way of nostalgia it was great empire now its gone lets move on only good for the AKP and Erdogan to get votes

 

[Indus Pakistan]

It was the reason at the time of creation but its not anymore. I am ethically Pukhtoon but where ever i go people see a Pakistani, whether that is in Australia or when i was in Saudi. We are not part of Pakistan because it is a Muslim country, because even Afghanistan is a Muslim country. We are Pakistanis because that is the country where my parents were born and where i was born and thats it. My nationality is Pakistan.

Well said. If it was just about 'Muslim' there is Afghanistan and heap of other countries. As I showed in the map being Muslim makes you 50 countries on globe. Hardly a Pakistan property or unique to Pakistan.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Well said. If it was just about 'Muslim' there is Afghanistan and heap of other countries. As I showed in the map being Muslim makes you 50 countries on globe. Hardly a Pakistan property or unique to Pakistan.

I noticed one new trend tho in Pakistan the people are getting more nationalistic in a way its a good start as for contractors for the Muslim World I think thats more of a diaspora feeling than in Pakistan itself these days a lot of the folks who moved away from Pakistan often piss off other Muslims like the Turks,Arabs,Persians,Albanians when they get too preachy at times

I Just hope this nationalism fever goes on in the near future its needed

 

[-SINAN-]

He is powerful yet popular only with his own base in the Turkish diaspora in Europe and Eastern Turkey however once Turkey becomes more urbanized the AKP will lose strength they are starting to rig the elections but time is not on their side

Another Turkey expert from the other side of the planet.....at least don't do this with Turks.

Neo Ottomanism is crazy and retarded way of nostalgia it was great empire now its gone lets move on only good for the AKP and Erdogan to get votes

There is no such thing as "Neo-Ottomanism".

 

[Yankee-stani]

Another Turkey expert from the other side of the planet.....at least don't do this with Turks.



There is no such thing as "Neo-Ottomanism".

Not an expert but geniune observer lol and neo ottomanism is just a slogan lol

 

[MultaniGuy]

Your a fcukin tredious person. I know your city Multan gave Alexandar the Great a good whipping but I just hope they are not as thick as you.

Tell me again. When you say Pakidstan can talk on behalf of ~ does that exclude Parsee, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus in the country? Is PM IK only PM of Muslims of Pakistan? Where does that leave the Parsee, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus?

News for you. Pakistan represents and acts on behalf of all it's citizens ~ of whatever religion or creed. When you say 'Pakistan' it covers all citizens [Muslims/Christians etc but excludes Muslims of rest of the ummah.

Yes Pakistan can talk about the rights of Pakistani Christians, Hindus and Parsis, since Islam says minorities have their rights.

what is your point?

Islam says to fight for the rights of all communities.

no need to get personal you ignorant runt. you are not always right and I do not agree with everything you say. In fact I disagree with a lot of stuff you say.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Not an expert but geniune observer lol and neo ottomanism is just a slogan lol

So as you can see "real Turks" who are not pro-Erdogan also accept his popularity.