Jinnah wanted a secular Pakistan because he wanted to keep religious parties like JI out of power.And of course he also secular person which completely.But his secular policies never really attracted Muslims to his party.But then he realized the political power of age old rhetoric "Islam under threat".So he abandoned all his secularism and went ahead with the most communal ideology Two Nation Theory.He was just another who wished to gain power and to leave behind a legacy and he did succeeded in that.At the end of the day that's reality.Let me also emphasis here,Time has exposed the contradictions of the two nation theory. As a basis for nationhood, religion is too divisive.IMO get rid of TNT,you will be better of with out it.
Jinnah was secular throughout his life and in congress promoting unity between 2 throughout till up to early 40's. By then he realized a lot of you people had no commitment to solving the issues and were too communal by nature like many of you Indians are today.
The two nation theory was correct not because Muslims and Hindus are vastly dissimilar and can't live in one country together but because there was bias, oppression and discrimination. There still is. For example the ban on cow slaughter, Muslim proportion in jails (48%), issues in celebration of eid, Hindu rules are being imposed. So he was right. In Lucknow with a huge muslim population I couldn't find a single place with beef-even dominoes and pizza hut have like only chicken dishes. Then we asked for self-rule for Muslim areas and separate electorates. We just needed that extra bit of space and security which was denied by India. That is why Pakistan happened.
It is not necessary to support secularism and argue against the 2 nation theory. India's failure to be secular is proof enough.
All though I haven't read the book Completly I partially agree with some of his views.Partition was also Nehru's fault.But for a variety of reason I believe the partition at that time averted prevented India from turning in to another Africa and helped us forming in to a strong nation.In a way people became aware of the consequences of such partition which further cemented our national identity.
It did the same for both India and Pakistan. Pakistan understood what it gained and what it would have lost had it remained in India.
There are plenty of examples of communalism and religious bigotry especially from Bangladeshis and Pakistanis(Indians also does it,but most them get banned early) in this thread either you don't see it or you choose to ignore it.
There is a way to escape: elite membership. Some Indian Hindutva's realized this. In either case we agree that it is an issue with both so why dwell on this.
what I read he too hated for Hindus, not a secular man. If you mention about 11 August 1947 speech still there is no recording of it, infact isn't it strange if he was a secular man why he spoke about secularism for Pakistan only once after creation of Pakistan on 11 Auguest 1947. Even Jogindernath Mandal left Pakistan because Pakistan was meant only for Muslims. While Secular PPP declared Ahmedis as non-Muslims.
There is a recording of 11 August address. That is false logic used by mullah cult. Here is part of the address:
Listen closely to above.
India is a huge country, if we don't have strong central government then we couldn't have a stronger India. That was the main reason Nehru-Patel accepted the partition. India was in complete chaos after the riots that followed the direct action day.
You can't blame the muslims. But I believe it is the reason why partition had to happen. All Indian posters (most) have a communal mindset-you wouldn't have let us live in peace and we learned that anyway so we came to Pakistan.
Here is some interesting facts about Jogindernath Mandal.Read also his resignation letter.Apparently he believed supporting Jinnah's movement will help lower caste Hindu communities in Bengal.But later he was proved wrong.he should have listened to Ambedkar.
Why did Joginder Nath Mandal Resign? « Baaghi
Shri Joginder Nath Mandal Resigns
You wouldn't even have known about this had I not highlighted this... now you are using it against my own point. Did you see the date of the resignation letter. 1950? Exactly. Jinnah died in 48 and it all went downhill from there. He was a very loyal servant of Jinnah and served as first chairman of constituent assembly. He has been in muslim league since its most secular days in 43.
It is not the fault of the state's maker. Islamic republic was never attached to our name until Ayub Khan came. He resigned an year after the objectives resolution by Liaquat Ali Khan in 49. Stop blaming our leaders and look within. Nehru's hard headedness and his wish to become PM of India got in the way. There was a way to avoid partition.
I agree in those early days India wouldn't have survived with out a strong central Govt.But now we should concentrate on strengthening our federalism.
NC.
