Pakistani Air Force Chief rolls out F-16 to bombs Taliban himself.

[MastanKhan]

These things have a limited lifespan...the batteries expire after some years, the Afghan-Soviet era manpads even if available will be non functional.


Our command structure and their's are different. A Lt can lead a company in the time of need as well and an NCO can lead a platoon, idk what problem you have with everything related to Pak mil. A battle hardened officer will always be of a greater value in future than a captain who continues to sit in safe garrison while practically his company is led by sargeants.

Hi,

The problem I have is that the NCO's are very capable and able bodied personal---they are extremely intelligent and devoted and have leadership qualities as well.

Don't get it wrong---American officers also lead from the front as well----they are right there in the thick of it----. But the american NCO handles a lot more and is more of a take charge position.

Just for a moment----take away the anger and dislike from your thinking---and understand---what more can you accomplish---if your NCO's start thinking and doing things that your Jr officers are doing---Leadership is not all about dying for the country.

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

Leading from the front ...

 

[N/A]

Yup. Next time ask him to do maintenance on a plane's engine also to provide leadership and morale boost to the Air force's ground staff too


That's why I said. Brave but foolish tactic.

Foolish in what way...he's doing what he was trained for. Don't blow this event out of proportion it was nearly a moral booster nothing more. By leading the sorty doesn't mean he is incapable of commanding and planning. The event certainly doesn't signal that he is running away from his responsibilities as Air Chief of Staff. Putin rode in a Tu95 bomber patrol does that mean he gave up his duties as a president...of course not it was mearly a moral boost. It's not just you people on this forum have the tendency to turn a molehill into a mountain. Lots of speculations rather than facts and motives.

 

[Psychic]

Hi,

The problem I have is that the NCO's are very capable and able bodied personal---they are extremely intelligent and devoted and have leadership qualities as well.

Don't get it wrong---American officers also lead from the front as well----they are right there in the thick of it----. But the american NCO handles a lot more and is more of a take charge position.

Just for a moment----take away the anger and dislike from your thinking---and understand---what more can you accomplish---if your NCO's start thinking and doing things that your Jr officers are doing---Leadership is not all about dying for the country.

But sire, there is not much of a difference because as far as I know, in the US army, a Lt leads a platoon, captain leads a company and NCO leads a squad (section).
Now compare the above with PA there isn't much difference, a capt or lt leads a platoon while a major leads a company, and a section is led by an NCO....where your claim of a sergeant doing what a capt does in PA is proven false.
The only difference is that ocassionly, our capts and Lt's are also posted on posts held by section of troops...
Now our officers not always lead sections or do they?

 

[MastanKhan]

But sire, there is not much of a difference because as far as I know, in the US army, a Lt leads a platoon, captain leads a company and NCO leads a squad (section).
Now compare the above with PA there isn't much difference, a capt or lt leads a platoon while a major leads a company, and a section is led by an NCO....where your claim of a sergeant doing what a capt does in PA is proven false.
The only difference is that ocassionly, our capts and Lt's are also posted on posts held by section of troops...
Now our officers not always lead sections or do they?

Hi,

Mr. Baloch can explain that better. What I am saying is that an American NCO is very active participant---. Our current service personal over here can shed more light on the issue.

 

[Malik Usman]

Hi,

The high casualty rate is due the LACK OF JOB DESIGATION-----. What a Lt or a Captain does in Pak military can be done by a Seargent in the U S military.

Pakistanis still have the mindset that the the Leader is the one who can do the job of 10 people-----whereas the world has moved onto that a leader is the one who can train 10 people to do their job of 10 people.

A soldier is dispensable---because that is what his job is---but the one who can train 10 people to do the job of 10 people is not dispensable.

It is these officers who are laying down their lives for the nation---it is these men we need alive to take the nation forward----because if they can do with the nation what they did on the frontline---would change the nation forever.

Just to understand you.....but don't put his example to Pak Army..............
Hitler said.......If you make a leader, a dog of 100 Lions all lions will die like a dog.....and if you make a lion leader of 100 Dogs, those dogs will fight like a lion...

It is the leader who set example to his followers.......

If you never read then you must know how much suicide rate was in US army during Iraq and Afghan War... not just go with official number, the original number is much bigger than what they say on media.....and then the overall result of war itself....after put so many resources, money, lives of soldiers what they got....loose the war ???.....
If a commander sitting in AC room and giving order on Wireless.......a solider will not be motivated.

Also don't forget the Islamic history......if Islam spread on more than half of the earth.......it was because in all those wars........the generals were fighting in front of other soldiers....not like Roman or European or other kings....sitting under a tent on top of hill and watching die his soldiers......and when time come first to run from behind....

You also might not understand what i said above....better you ask a soldier who fought wars....how it feels like when your commanding officer is fighting besides you..

 

[DD5]

There were no F16s and jets at that time. Now, tactics are changed. He is supposed to command not fight.
Now, only fool will send Base commander or Chief in front line battle. Now, it's like if you lose him in front line , you lose half war and it has 99% chance due to change in technology, GPS system and laser guided missile with pin point precision. It is brain, tactics and technology which wins wars.
Read the documentary of Israel arab war . How tiny Israel won from mighty arab.

Anyway, as PAF flying jets has no threat from taliban, they just sent our aircheif for moral boosting of nation. Taliban has no such system to destroy F16s. In this particular case with no threat, there is no harm to send aircheif for some practice on talibastards! !

Exactly, my point. The threat assessment must have been done and weighed against morale boosting exercise. So its not really foolish.

 

[Not So Good]

According to PAF sources being quoted by news channels, ACM Sohail Aman personally led a formation of F-16s to carry out a bombing mission over Shawal, destroying several terrorist hideouts.

A true leader

 

[MastanKhan]

Just to understand you.....but don't put his example to Pak Army..............
Hitler said.......If you make a leader, a dog of 100 Lions all lions will die like a dog.....and if you make a lion leader of 100 Dogs, those dogs will fight like a lion...

It is the leader who set example to his followers.......

If you never read then you must know how much suicide rate was in US army during Iraq and Afghan War... not just go with official number, the original number is much bigger than what they say on media.....and then the overall result of war itself....after put so many resources, money, lives of soldiers what they got....loose the war ???.....
If a commander sitting in AC room and giving order on Wireless.......a solider will not be motivated.

Also don't forget the Islamic history......if Islam spread on more than half of the earth.......it was because in all those wars........the generals were fighting in front of other soldiers....not like Roman or European or other kings....sitting under a tent on top of hill and watching die his soldiers......and when time come first to run from behind....

You also might not understand what i said above....better you ask a soldier who fought wars....how it feels like when your commanding officer is fighting besides you..

Sir,

If you know this guy Julius Ceasar---long before the muslims----why his soldiers died for him---he would march with them and he would lead in the battle if needed ad did Alexander did before him and as did Genghis Khan afterwards and as any other great generals of that time.

In this day and age---generals manage the wars----.

Just don't believe in all the stories that you read about the generals fighting in the front----. The generals guided the troops where they were needed the most and directed them against the enemies---and as necessary they stepped into the war as needed. It is very "immature" to believe in something like that.

If the general went into the battle with the first charge---then who would lead the fight---who would direct the troops---who would shift the troop position---who would adjust to the enemy charge or enemy movement.

We are talking about the leadership qualities---please don't make it a STUPID discussion by bringing in suicides.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Gopro looks good during demonstrations, however some HUD footage would be a treat.

Anyways, guys check out the bomb load, first time I'm seeing LGBs on dual racks.

Damn! Windy bhai it's multi loaded with LGB isn't it's heavier ??
I want to see our F-16s with 2000lbs LGBs the big bad ones.

 

[Windjammer]

Damn! Windy bhai it's multi loaded with LGB isn't it's heavier ??
I want to see our F-16s with 2000lbs LGBs the big bad ones.

I think those are 750 pounders, the ones below are the bad boys you are talking about.

 

[arif hamza]

Why he doesn't fily thunders

 

[Zeeshi]

Gud job ACM (y)

 

[Mav3rick]

More like he just wanted to 'feel' the Block 52!

And so very manly, bombing from 3 kms above the Earth!!

 

[niaz]

Running the Air Force efficiently is no mean task and that is the primary role of the Air Chief. Combat sorties are seldom carried out by pilots beyond the rank of the Wing Commander. This is neither a question of bravery nor of professional competence. Air Chief does not need to prove his airmanship to anyone. As already mentioned in one of the posts; it was meant to be a morale booster and primarily a public relations exercise.

I would not call this act ‘Foolhardy’ but some critics may call it ‘Headline grabbing’;in that Air Chief Marshall Sohail Aman has admirably succeeded. No need to belabour the point. Let is leave it at that.