Pakistan working on Nuclear Submarine ?

[leftfordead]

With regards to the topic..

That reminds me of the Dialog from the American series " the Brink " ... lol
but I did not expect it to have happened in real case ..

 

[Dr Gupta]

@Stephen Cohen Yes I am aware we have the capabilities to produce the steel required domestically as well as the miniaturisation process. There is no shame in getting help this was our first project it is understandable the key now is making the future subs quieter as well as having a more powerful reactor.

I am sure Pakistan has conducted feasibility studies as well as some RnD, however I do not think they have a present requirement due to other priorities. Operating a nuclear submarine and getting skilled on it takes years that is why India obtained a lease in the 80's and yet again with the Akula 2. My view is China will give Pakistan a lease option while training the on board crew on how to operate it which makes sense.

 

[salarsikander]

Hi,

Pakistan does not have the capacity nor money to invest on such ambitious project. BOGUS news

The QUALITY of Indian engineers helped us in taking up this challenging
job ;

Hi,

To suggest such would amount to folly as previous track record of your normal Non Nuke submarines shows us otherwise The way your subs kept on blowing up like fire crackers

 

[Dr Gupta]

Hi,

Pakistan does not have the capacity nor money to invest on such ambitious project. BOGUS news


Hi,

To suggest such would amount to folly as previous track record of your normal Non Nuke submarines shows us otherwise The way your subs kept on blowing up like fire crackers

You do realise that was a Russian submarine?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_submarine_361

Accidents happen hence why they are called accidents but learning is key

 

[salarsikander]

You do realise that was a Russian submarine?

Hi,
And I do realize that too it was being operated by world class top class finest finest Indian navy engineer as stated by @Stephen Cohen

You do realise that was a Russian submarine?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_submarine_361

Accidents happen hence why they are called accidents but learning is key

yes they do and by learning it means acknowledging and becoming humble, by the way yet too see such major accident happening in a single year

 

[Dr Gupta]

Hi,
And I do realize that too it was being operated by world class top class finest finest Indian navy engineer as stated by @Stephen Cohen


yes they do and by learning it means acknowledging and becoming humble, by the way yet too see such major accident happening in a single year

Our Navy is world class even most distinguished senior Pakistani members on PDF would give credit to the IN. Is JF-17 a bad fighter because it has had 2 crashes? no because there is always things outside our control or human error but learning is key.

 

[salarsikander]

Our Navy is world class even most distinguished senior Pakistani members on PDF would give credit to the IN. Is JF-17 a bad fighter because it has had 2 crashes? no because there is always things outside our control or human error but learning is key.

Hi,

No doubt it would be. Point is not tryig to insult the organisation that is ready to sacrifice its lives for its people.

Just trying to refute an over enthusiastic member and educating him.

And there were 4 deadly accident in Navy alone in 2014. ignoring the other accidents. One should really come humble when arguing ( not directed at you )

 

[AUz]

Pakistan needs a fleet of SSBN with medium-to-long rane thermonuclear weapons on board.

That's the only way for our long-term military survival

 

[Dr Gupta]

Hi,

No doubt it would be. Point is not tryig to insult the organisation that is ready to sacrifice its lives for its people.

Just trying to refute an over enthusiastic member and educating him.

And there were 4 deadly accident in Navy alone in 2014. ignoring the other accidents. One should really come humble when arguing ( not directed at you )

2014 was a bad year I agree, one of those Kilo subs just had a upgrade (we spend millions on it) and due to the tragic accident (due to human error) we lost it and it costs lives. Operating submarines is not a easy task especially the nuclear kind it takes years of skill training and experience.

Pakistan needs a fleet of SSBN with medium-to-long rane thermonuclear weapons on board.

That's the only way for our long-term military survival

Is Pakistan going to be conducting more tests to obtain this?

 

[salarsikander]

Our Navy is world class even most distinguished senior Pakistani members on PDF would give credit to the IN. Is JF-17 a bad fighter because it has had 2 crashes? no because there is always things outside our control or human error but learning is key.

Hi,

No doubt it would be. Point is not tryig to insult the organisation that is ready to sacrifice its lives for its people.

Just trying to refute an over enthusiastic member and educating him.

And there were 4 deadly accident in Navy alone in 2014. ignoring the other accidents. One should really come humble when arguing ( not directe

2014 was a bad year I agree, one of those Kilo subs just had a upgrade (we spend millions on it) and due to the tragic accident (due to human error) we lost it and it costs lives. Operating submarines is not a easy task especially the nuclear kind it takes years of skill training and experience.

Exactly, like your acknowledgement. spoken like a genuine professional here

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Game Theory suggests that nuclear subs are the next logical step for Pak to reach the Nash equilibrium vis-a-vis India in this regard - only to push the stakes to the next level. Pak has never failed to surprise with defense procurements to leave the Ehl-i Iman to say Elhamdulillah, SubhanAllah etc. - powerful enough to tilt the Mizan el-Ekber toward Jennet ..

 

[salarsikander]

Is Pakistan going to be conducting more tests to obtain this?

Hi,

Not without without inviting serious international repercussions. Highly unlikely given the atmosphere to withstand the international pressure

 

[Dr Gupta]

Hi,

Not without without inviting serious international repercussions. Highly unlikely given the atmosphere to withstand the international pressure

Even India will not be conducting more tests in the near future due to that pressure, we both still trying to get into the NSG and obtain civilian nuclear technology (the Japanese would run a mile if we did)

 

[salarsikander]

Even India will not be conducting more tests in the near future due to that pressure, we both still trying to get into the NSG and obtain civilian nuclear technology (the Japanese would run a mile if we did)

India can conduct tests without generating enough international backlash. They can absorb the fall out much better.

Honestly speaking US knows that getting India NSG is not easy and China would forward the case of Pakistan too. So having said that, we will find ourselves in square one. Clever tactic by US

 

[Dr Gupta]

India can conduct tests without generating enough international backlash. They can absorb the fall out much better.

Honestly speaking US knows the getting India NSG is not easy and China would forward the case of Pakistan too. So having said that, we will find ourselves in square one. Clever tactic by US

These days with super computer modelling based on past test data we might be able to get away with conducting more tests (Although I have my doubts, I personally feel we need to do a few more in the future) but we need Japanese technology for our civilian program and they will run like the wind if we did any more tests. Also it sets a bad example. This is why Pakistan and India should get closer because until we do the rest will always double deal us in this way.