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Yes I read some of it, I am not able to read the whole thing. It cozying up with Israel should not worry you it is enemy of my enemy is my friend type thinking against iran and beneficial relationship in the long run.

So can you give me quote which is inaccurate and stuff of fringe "conspiracy" and I will respond accordingly...
 
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Pakistan's Kashmir issue concern is related to the change in policy by the Saudi regime and it's priorities. Saudis are more interested in establishing ties with Israel and India versus championing the Kashmiri or Palestinian causes...
Realpolitik, you didnt champion their cause in Yemen so why should they champion your cause? Have to remember Newtons 3rd law for politics In my opinion.
 
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Realpolitik, you didnt champion their cause in Yemen so why should they champion your cause? Have to remember Newtons 3rd law for politics In my opinion.

It's not about me or you. I'm just echoing Saudi policies and its shift.

Let's stick to the topic you started with. I'm not running after red herrings..

Can you please quote and reference anything from the article that is still stuff of "conspiracy"???
 
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It's not about me or you. I'm just echoing Saudi policies and its shift.

Let's stick to the topic you started with. I'm not running after red herrings..

Can you please quote and reference anything from the article that is still stuff of "conspiracy"???
Not from the article, you were implying that Saudi arab would become a liberal Zionist country. Did Jordan and Egypt even though they signed a peace treaty and have relatively good relations?
 
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Not from the article, you were implying that Saudi arab would become a liberal Zionist country. Did Jordan and Egypt even though they signed a peace treaty and have relatively good relations?

Give me quote from the article and we can discuss...
I would like to refrain from a discussion about your or my opinions... that's just futile and a waste of time
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Good we should not look toward others to act upon our own Interests.

pakistan is free country finally after 70 years last 3 years i feel we are free country .

Still have a big loan to return to them (taken 1.5 years ago) and the question of thousands of labourers who send back billions in remittances that Saudi privately threatens us to replace with Indian Muslims.

The House of Saud is a disgrace the region, to the religion and to humanity in general. I hope we can break away from its clutches soon --- past leaders (Nawaz, Mush, Raheel Sharif) have been too cozy with these evil b*****s.
 
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Not from the article, you were implying that Saudi arab would become a liberal Zionist country. Did Jordan and Egypt even though they signed a peace treaty and have relatively good relations?

Btw.. My intent was that MBS wishes to change Saudi to a more liberal society (for better or worse - not a critique of that)... And towarda a recognition of Israel (at the expense of the Palestinians)... With those changes.... Pakistanis that view the Saudi Country as holy (due to the holy cities) will stop associating Saudi Arabia withecca and Medina and will not die in "millions" as someone else stated
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Get my point?
 
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Btw.. My intent was that MBS wishes to change Saudi to a more liberal society (for better or worse - not a critique of that)... And towarda a recognition of Israel (at the expense of the Palestinians)... With those changes.... Pakistanis that view the Saudi Country as holy (due to the holy cities) will stop associating Saudi Arabia withecca and Medina and will not die in "millions" as someone else stated
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Get my point?
Kind of but those people are generally irrelevant when they are unwilling to call out countries like Turkey when it is a much more liberal country with a much more liberal and agnostic youth. Factor out Mecca and Medina, those places shouldn't be changed but the rest of saudi Arabia is not territory and is frankly irrelevant.
 
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Kind of but those people are generally irrelevant when they are unwilling to call out countries like Turkey when it is a much more liberal country with a much more liberal and agnostic youth. Factor out Mecca and Medina, those places shouldn't be changed but the rest of saudi Arabia is not territory and is frankly irrelevant.

I agree... I am not talking from my perspective on the issue of the Saudi Social Political dynamics.

My response was to someone who stated that millions from Pakistan will die for the Saudi Regime and the country because it is also the home of the two holy cities.

My response was... If MBS gets his way and does succeed in changing Saudi Arabia to a more let's say "liberalized Western" society and also publically aligns with Israel ...then those Pakistani (religious conservative minded) folks who would have died for the Saudi Regime in the millions ... Will not do so.

That's all. I wasn't making a statement on the pro's or con's of the Saudi policy shifts
... Those political seismic changes are what they are.... It's a destiny bound to happen as we head towards events that are bound to unfold irrespective of our opinions...
 
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FO defends Qureshi’s remarks on Saudi-led OIC over Kashmir

Iftikhar A. KhanUpdated 07 Aug 2020
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ISLAMABAD: PML-N president Shahbaz Sharif speaking at the parliamentary party meeting at the Parliament House on Thursday.—White Star


ISLAMABAD: The Foreign Office on Thursday defended the ‘controversial’ remarks of the foreign minister about Saudi Arabia-led Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), saying his statement was a reflection of people’s aspirations and expectations from the OIC to raise the Kashmir issue internationally.

Speaking at a weekly press briefing, the outgoing Foreign Office spokesperson Aisha Farooqui said the people of Pakistan had more expectations from the OIC and would like it to play a leading role in raising the Kashmir issue internationally. “In this regard, our efforts will continue and we hope there will be further forward movement,” she added.

Ms Farooqui said Pakistan was a founding member of the OIC and had longstanding fraternal and cooperative relations with OIC member states.

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She said Kashmir and Palestine were two key issues on the agenda of the OIC since its inception. “The OIC has consistently supported Pakistan on Jammu and Kashmir dispute. The OIC Contact Group on Jammu and Kashmir established in 1994 is a manifestation of this consistent support and has actively contributed to the advancement of the Kashmir cause.

Since August 5, 2019, Pakistan has closely worked with the OIC secretary general and other brotherly countries of the OIC. Three meetings of the OIC Contact Group on Jammu and Kashmir have been convened during the last one year, two of which were at ministerial level, and they issued strong communiqués deploring grave violations of human rights in India-held Jammu and Kashmir, demanding India rescind its illegal and unilateral actions of August 5, 2019, and calling for resolution of Kashmir dispute in accordance with the United Nations Security Council’s resolutions.

PML-N accuses govt of ‘playing with’ country’s vital interests

About Pakistan’s relations with Saudi Arabia, Ms Farooqui said the two countries had strong historic and fraternal relations. “The people of Pakistan have deep respect for the custodian of the two holy mosques. Pakistan remains deeply committed to sovereignty and territorial integrity of Saudi Arabia. The landmark visit of Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman in February 2019 further cemented our close brotherly relations and charted new avenues of cooperation in trade, investment and other fields,” she said.

In reply to a question, she said that Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi’s remarks that Pakistan expected a meeting of OIC Council of Foreign Ministers and if it was not convened, he would be compelled to ask Prime Minister Imran Khan to call a meeting of the OIC countries that were ready to stand with Pakistan on Kashmir issue were not against diplomatic norms.

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She was also asked to explain possible impact of the remarks on Pakistan’s relationship with Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries.

Another questioner referred to the FM’s remarks that Pakistan would move forward with or without Saudi Arabia on Kashmir issue and asked if it was a political statement or the official position. The spokesperson replied that Pakistan and its people had more expectations from the OIC than from any other international organisation because of deep-rooted and fraternal ties with OIC member states and the OIC itself.

Answering a question about the Islamabad High Court’s directive to the federal government to give another chance to India and its spy Commander Kulbhushan Jadhav to appoint a counsel for his case, she said the Indian side had been contacted through diplomatic channels and conveyed the same. However, a response is still awaited.

Answering a question about the release of new political map of Pakistan, she made it clear that it was not in contradiction with Pakistan’s stated policy.

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“This is a political map as opposed to the administrative map that we are more familiar with. There was a need for the political map which has been fulfilled on August 4. Pakistan’s stance on Jammu and Kashmir is anchored in the UN Security Council resolutions under which we await final settlement of this dispute in accordance with UNSC resolutions and the aspirations of the Kashmiri people. There is no change in our principled position”.

On August 4, she said, Pakistan issued a political map depicting its long standing and consistent position on Jammu and Kashmir, anchored in the UNSC resolutions and stipulating that the accession of the state would be through a UN-supervised plebiscite. “Pakistan’s political map firmly rejects the political map issued by India after August 5, 2019, making false territorial claims, including on Azad Jammu and Kashmir and Gilgit and Baltistan.”

The FO spokesperson categorically rejected the statement made by the Indian Ministry of External Affairs on Pakistan’s political map. “India cannot create a smokescreen for its illegal and unacceptable actions in occupied Jammu and Kashmir, including those taken since August 5, 2019. It is preposterous for a country that is compulsively expansionist, and a brazen practitioner of state-terrorism, to level charges against others,” she said.

She said the fact that on three occasions in one year the Kashmir issue had been discussed in the Security Council negated the failed Indian assertions that it was only a bilateral issue.

“Voices in support of the Kashmiri people were raised across the globe marking one year of the illegal action by India and continued brutalisation and disenfranchisement of the Kashmiri people,” she said.

Meanwhile, the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) has denounced what it called ‘irresponsible’ remarks by the foreign minister about brotherly country Saudi Arabia.

In a statement issued after a joint parliamentary party meeting of the PML-N with its president Shahbaz Sharif in the chair, the party’s secretary general Ahsan Iqbal said Pakistan and Saudi Arabia had historic and strategic relations and Saudi Arabia had always stood by Pakistan in testing times. He said the irresponsible statement about a friendly country was worst kind of diplomacy. He accused the government of “playing with” vital interests of the country.

Published in Dawn, August 7th, 2020
 
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Shahbaz Sharif in the chair, the party’s secretary general Ahsan Iqbal said Pakistan and Saudi Arabia had historic and strategic relations and Saudi Arabia had always stood by Pakistan in testing times. He said the irresponsible statement about a friendly country was worst kind of diplomacy. He accused the government of “playing with” vital interests of the country.


Ses like PML-N is more interested in keeping their Saudi financiers happy than protecting innocent Kashmiris from Indian Hindutva Terrorism!!!
 
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Ses like PML-N is more interested in keeping their Saudi financiers happy than protecting innocent Kashmiris from Indian Hindutva Terrorism!!!
At least some of their moron supporters can actually see what their leaders stand for....certainly not for Pakistan or Kashmir which they so often claim.
 
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