Pakistan Vs MQM

[xyx007]

Long story short.

PTI is MQM2.0

Just ask the people who voted for PTI from Karachi and the political fundamentals for their vote. You will know MQM2.0 is PTI.

Both parties have a charter eerily similar to each other.

Just like when Altaf used to berate Karachi and they would listen to him as "Zinda lashen", it is now Imran who is now the new "Bhai" as per Hazrat Law Minister.



Let me take some wild guesses.

@Areesh
@PakSword
@AZ1
@American Pakistani
@Cygnus Black

It is too soon to tell whether the Mohajirs will vote as a block for the PTI or whether their vote has been permanently split between MQM factions and other national parties. Whichever way the Mohajirs vote, either as a unified vote bank or divided, as long as Urdu speakers feel a sense of alienation and deprivation, the Mohajir identity will persist.

The nature of Mohajir mobilization has always evolved—from a nationalist group to an ethno-nationalist party, and later to an ethno-militant political, social and economic identity. As the boundaries of what constitutes Mohajir identity continue to unfold, it remains to be seen whether the community will hold on to its Mohajir identity (as descendants of migrants from India) or begin to identify as Pakistanis, assimilating into the nation-state. It is also too soon to tell whether the current political environment in the country will eventually give rise to an MQM 2.0, which might be more violent, demanding and challenging than Altaf’s MQM. Or should we stop all this and become true Pakistani Muslims and respect everybody's interest. leaving my questions to everyone . are you mohjir , pastun , punjabi, siraki, hindko, sindh, balochi or we are Pakistani Muslims?


I am reading this thesis and this boy involved in his thesis an interesting person as a supervisor
Dr. Radhika Desai, Professor, Department of Political Science. University of Manitoba

https://dspace.library.uvic.ca/bitstream/handle/1828/914/Thesis.pdf

everything is a lockdown only essential services allowed on road, maybe give shot to read this boy story and read
how he is spinning / or twisting the reality.

 

[El Sidd]

Dr. Radhika Desa

Is she one of the Raja Dahirs medical advisory board?

 

[xyx007]

Is she one of the Raja Dahirs medical advisory board?

She has a very specific viewpoint in political studies, If you dont write exactly the way she wants you will never do well in thesis. so I am reading what she wanted to say through this boy to us.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

It is too soon to tell whether the Mohajirs will vote as a block for the PTI or whether their vote has been permanently split between MQM factions and other national parties. Whichever way the Mohajirs vote, either as a unified vote bank or divided, as long as Urdu speakers feel a sense of alienation and deprivation, the Mohajir identity will persist.

The nature of Mohajir mobilization has always evolved—from a nationalist group to an ethno-nationalist party, and later to an ethno-militant political, social and economic identity. As the boundaries of what constitutes Mohajir identity continue to unfold, it remains to be seen whether the community will hold on to its Mohajir identity (as descendants of migrants from India) or begin to identify as Pakistanis, assimilating into the nation-state. It is also too soon to tell whether the current political environment in the country will eventually give rise to an MQM 2.0, which might be more violent, demanding and challenging than Altaf’s MQM. Or should we stop all this and become true Pakistani Muslims and respect everybody's interest. leaving my questions to everyone . are you mohjir , pastun , punjabi, siraki, hindko, sindh, balochi or we are Pakistani Muslims?


I am reading this thesis and this boy involved in his thesis an interesting person as a supervisor
Dr. Radhika Desai, Professor, Department of Political Science. University of Manitoba

https://dspace.library.uvic.ca/bitstream/handle/1828/914/Thesis.pdf

everything is a lockdown only essential services allowed on road, maybe give shot to read this boy story and read
how he is spinning / or twisting the reality.

Great synopsis of the situation brother.

My experiences with immigrants from Karachi in the US is not very good frankly, doesn't matter if they are Punjabi, Muhajir, Pukhtoon, etc. All seem super chalak to me. They also all seem very sensitive about if anyone says anything bad about Karachi.

There is some issue with the older generation here in the states, mostly those from Central Punjab, Karachi, and KPK, who as soon as they left Pakistan, began not to identify as Pakistanis. Some even petitioned the US to attack Pakistan!

In Pakistan, I have many Muhajir friends from Central Punjab, where I am from, love them alot, they are true patriots. I did not even know they were muhajirs until they mention 1947 and where they moved from.

It is really weird in the states.

 

[El Sidd]

She has a very specific viewpoint in political studies, If you dont write exactly the way she wants you will never do well in thesis. so I am reading what she wanted to say through this boy to us.

I told you PTI is the new MQM. Do not trust me, look up Bilawal and his glorious speeches.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

That is the biggest mistake no Pakistani strategist should repeat.

The Hydra is still there all it needs to do is show you the the heads it has grown in the place you cut off.

Mqm L is anti pakistan while Mqm P is nothing more than what PMLN, anp, PPP etc is.

I do not think the label "mohajir" should continue to be used in 21st century. By that logic vast majority of Punjabis who emigrated and endured slaughter and rape at hands of hindu and sikh militants should also keep crying and insisting upon being called muhajirs and being this excluoverly/overly oppressed group.

The Muslims who chose to migrate to Pakistan after August 1947, did so out of fear of being targeted in post-independence India. Their struggle for identity already existed when they were in India and, unfortunately, continued for generations after they moved to Pakistan. The Mohajirs initially constituted a privileged, elite and educated class, but their standing amongst other ethnic groups in Pakistan diminished over the decades. The stirrings of a Mohajir consciousness began in the early 1970s, prompted by the government policies that negatively affected their education and employment opportunities in Sindh. Over the years, demographic changes, ethnopolitical conflicts, militant and sectarian groups, and vested political interest groups coloured the Mohajirs’ view of their place in Pakistani society. The MQM emerged as a party that claimed to represent Mohajir grievances but soon became a criminal enterprise, diluting the legitimacy of the Mohajir cause.

The question remains: What is the place for the Mohajirs in Pakistan’s current sociopolitical fabric? or are we waiting for MQM v 2.0?

I am nor Mohjir or belongs to any ethnic group or associtate with any political party. I am just a Muslim Pakistani.

 

[xyx007]

That is the biggest mistake no Pakistani strategist should repeat.

The Hydra is still there all it needs to do is show you the the heads it has grown in the place you cut off.


I do not think the label "mohajir" should continue to be used in 21st century. By that logic vast majority of Punjabis who emigrated and endured slaughter and rape at hands of hindu and sikh militants should also keep crying and insisting upon being called muhajirs and being this excluoverly/overly oppressed group.

this question really remains to be seen whether the community will hold on to its Mohajir identity (as descendants of migrants from India) or begin to identify as Pakistanis, assimilating into the nation-state.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

That is the biggest mistake no Pakistani strategist should repeat.

The Hydra is still there all it needs to do is show you the the heads it has grown in the place you cut off.


I do not think the label "mohajir" should continue to be used in 21st century. By that logic vast majority of Punjabis who emigrated and endured slaughter and rape at hands of hindu and sikh militants should also keep crying and insisting upon being called muhajirs and being this excluoverly/overly oppressed group.

I am also against this label. Urdu speaker also doesn't fit well. Karachiite presupposes all of them are Muhajir, which is false. It has been 70+ years, Muhajir doesn't exist, they are sons of the soil now.

Bihari, Deccan, UP, Hyderabadi also doesn't fit anymore, because they are no longer from those places.

It is interesting because it has parallels with Whites in the US, who clme from various backgrounds, lost their roots, and adopted a new term "White," although racially they were originally Germans, Italians, Irish, English mainly.

 

[xyx007]

Great synopsis of the situation brother.

My experiences with immigrants from Karachi in the US is not very good frankly, doesn't matter if they are Punjabi, Muhajir, Pukhtoon, etc. All seem super chalak to me. They also all seem very sensitive about if anyone says anything bad about Karachi.

There is some issue with the older generation here in the states, mostly those from Central Punjab, Karachi, and KPK, who as soon as they left Pakistan, began not to identify as Pakistanis. Some even petitioned the US to attack Pakistan!

In Pakistan, I have many Muhajir friends from Central Punjab, where I am from, love them alot, they are true patriots. I did not even know they were muhajirs until they mention 1947 and where they moved from.

It is really weird in the states.

There is ample evidence that residential neighborhoods can influence mental well-being.The Society of Karachi is based on Super Smart existed on factors influencing Mental Wellbeing (regardless of neighborhood, income, gender, and age), perceptions related to factors affecting good Mental Well-being was more varied. We just Dua for them to make it easy for us.

 

[El Sidd]

I am also against this label. Urdu speaker also doesn't fit well. Karachiite presupposes all of them are Muhajir, which is false. It has been 70+ years, Muhajir doesn't exist, they are sons of the soil now.

Bihari, Deccan, UP, Hyderabadi also doesn't fit anymore, because they are no longer from those places.

It is interesting because it has parallels with Whites in the US, who clme from various backgrounds, lost their roots, and adopted a new term "White," although racially they were originally Germans, Italians, Irish, English mainly.

Deoband is a city in India. So is Bareilly.

Will Deobandis and Barelvis embrace their Pakistani identity and let go of their Indian background?

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

Cycle will continue ..!!

Kindly Remove Quota System other wise this cycle will continue in different name and faces..!!
Give authority to talented and skill full person for resolve the issue who are capable, but here every one playing their own cards by cast and relationship.
Zero performance by Current Government specially in karachi and whole pakistan.

Look what we got Business community went to Army chief for solve their issue.

Why not people of karachi raise their voice for their issue ?? which are still not resolved only dates are given.

here karachi pay taxes
https://www.brecorder.com/2019/10/31/539976/karachi-top-on-tax-paying-with-less-taxpayers/

The city of Karachi, considered the financial hub of the country once again emerged as the highest tax paying city in Pakistan despite boosting less tax filers than Lahore.

According to the FBR report, the traders, retailers and wholesalers in Karachi paid tax of Rs 8,610,263,771 with only 52,808 tax filers, as compared to Lahore that despite boosting 55,342 tax filers_ the largest number of filers in Pakistan only paid Rs 5,219,983,079.


In other countries govt give special interest in financial hub cities for solve city problems and facilitates grow more economy And
here is Karachi financial hub of pakistan 80% inter city roads are damaged, every where u can find waste on street, no transport system, on water supply and nothing.

this is how quota system f**k.

 

[El Sidd]

this question really remains to be seen whether the community will hold on to its Mohajir identity (as descendants of migrants from India) or begin to identify as Pakistanis, assimilating into the nation-state.

reeducation camps are in fashion across the region. every half baked fascist is doing it. in the words of great PM Gillani, whose stopping you?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

this question really remains to be seen whether the community will hold on to its Mohajir identity (as descendants of migrants from India) or begin to identify as Pakistanis, assimilating into the nation-state.

Hum Muhajir bolte hain apne aap ko iska yeh matlab nahi ke hum Pakistani Nahi

 

[xyx007]

reeducation camps are in fashion across the region. every half baked fascist is doing it. in the words of great PM Gillani, whose stopping you?

it is a fight of ethnic groups (if they are Muslims and have true Islam in their heart they never run fight over material)who will enjoy the Sindh rich infrastructure and resources.
again The once politically powerful MQM of Altaf Hussein is now divided along ideological, political and personality lines. Broken up into various factions, the idea of a single united party for Mohajirs has virtually collapsed due to a series of organizational and ideological problems. For now, the movement can best be described as ‘diasporic’, since its leader has been in exile since the early 1990s, although he has been somewhat successful in steering the party from London, addressing rallies via video and telephone. However, currently, the MQM has little political strength and has lost most of its power over Karachi. The Pakistani establishment continues to slap on a series of treason and financial crime charges on Hussein, hoping that something will stick.

Meanwhile, Hussein’s absence from the country and continuous hysterics has created an urgency amongst the senior leaders to redefine the MQM without him. This has been difficult since all the different factions of the party claim to be the true representative of the Mohajirs’ cause. The power struggle amongst Mohajir leaders, who were once on the same side, demonstrate not only Hussein’s failure to build an indestructible the idea of Mohajir unity.

The MQM also has a number of international branches especially in the US, the UK, Canada etc, if you try to mingle with them it is very hard to get their network because they are focus on shedding light on human rights violations foreign agenda against the Mohajirs in Sindh. Other international organizations run and funded by the Mohajirs (backed by RAW)are working to develop narratives that further the Mohajir cause abroad, organizing protests and sit-ins. One such US-based the organization recently released a map proposing the creation of “Greater Karachi,” an autonomous region that would comprise urban Sindh and Karachi, with an independent parliament and elected chief executive.

While such political developments are on the rise, the population of Mohajirs in Karachi is steadily declining. According to some studies, the Pashtuns in Karachi will outnumber Urdu-speaking Mohajirs in less than 30 years. While the MQM has tried to reposition itself as a national party, its identity remains forever entwined with the Mohajir community and is geographically limited to Karachi and some areas of urban Sindh, e.g. Hyderabad, Mirpurkhas and Sukkur. Political parties see the city as a feudal landholding, equating access to land and municipal resources with political power. What this means for the political mobilization of the Mohajirs in the future will be determined by whether the different parties can work together to represent the community’s interests.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Because in the 21st century. Much of the problems Karachi faces like load shedding blackouts, poverty, slums, terrorism at hands of gangs and khwarij, corrupt politicians, politicians who manipulate people's sentiments and identities for personal gain and all other problems of the like. ALL THESE PROBLEMS are not SOLELY/EXCLUSIVELY felt ONLY by KARACHI/MUHAJIR. These problems are felt ALL OVER PAKISTAN. The wadera that you complain about is oppressing Punjabis, Sindhis, Balochis and Pashtuns in KP in the form of rich, too powerful jinn-like Zameendars in Punjabi, Saeen in Sindhi, Balochi Sardars and Pashtun masharan(masharan are not all bad and pashtunwali is generally a fair code).

Therefore I think it is sufficient to say that Muhajirs/Karachi is/are not a group that is suffering alone/exclusively in Pakistan. ALL of Pakistan is suffering from the same problems.

YES the problems might have been extreme in the beginning of Pakistan through the 1970s with some atrocities even I vaguely remember one incident. But things are not that extreme anymore.

I do not think the label "mohajir" should continue to be used in 21st century. By that logic vast majority of Punjabis who emigrated and endured slaughter and rape at hands of hindu and sikh militants should also keep crying and insisting upon being called muhajirs and being this excluoverly/overly oppressed group.