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.Kartik BLT


Kartik is an armoured vehicle-launched bridge (AVLB) designed and developed by CVRDE and Research and Development Establishment, Pune. It is a second generation Indian Bridge Layer Tank (BLT), first introduced in 1989.

The bridge is folded for carriage and scissored out for usage and is deployed and recovered from the front of the vehicle. The 20 metres (66 ft) long 'KARTIK' 60 Military Load Class (MLC) bridge is 4 m wide thus one of the widest tank bridges in the world.The bridge can accommodate two-lanes traffic of jeeps and one lane traffic of 3 tonners, t-72s and BMPs. It is compact for transportation and fits in a space of 10.5 m length, 3.5 m width and 3.96 m height. To keep it light, RDE-40 Al alloy along with innovative geometry have been used . The use of high pressure hydraulic drives and actuators instead of electro-chemical drives give advantage of reduced weight. The high pressure hydraulic system gives the muscle power to lift the bridge in the folded climbing gradients or descending slopes.
The basic vehicle is powered by indigenously manufactured 6-cylinder, opposed piston, vertical in line, water cooled, two stroke CI engine with uni-flow scavenging coupled to a semiautomatic transmission with 6 forward and 2 reverse speed . suspension is provided by trailing arm type torsion bar with all road wheel stations the vehicle also has secondary torsion bars and double acting telescope shock absorbers in the two front and rear stations. Low ground pressure, adequate power-to-weight ratio improved suspension and final drive result in good mobility of the vehicle

Air Defense Machine Gun is provided for effective ground and anti aircraft role. Blt crew has been provided with their personal weapons for self protection.

the image is of BLT-T72,another indian product

M-47 AND M-60 AVLBS:

DESCRIPTION :
The Military Vehicle Research and Development Establishment at Rawalpindi, has developed an Armoured Vehicle-Launched Bridge (AVLB) based on the turretless chassis of an M47M tank for the Pakistan Ministry of Defence. The project has been described as a step towards indigenous development and self-reliance. For details of the original M47M tank refer to Jane's Armour and Artillery 1994-95 page 140. The bridge-launching mechanism is installed on the hull of the turretless M47M and is used to launch an aluminium alloy folding scissors bridge with a maximum span of 21.4 m. The bridge has a maximum clear span of 20.3 m. The vehicle has a crew of two, a driver and a commander/operator who uses 13 hydraulic cylinders to launch the bridge in about 3 minutes. Power for the hydraulic system is provided by the M47M launch vehicle's main engine.

The bridge-launching sequence commences with the main launching cylinder lifting the main launching beam from its transport position. When the bridge reaches an angle of 45° the bridge unloading cylinder is operated and starts to retract. As it retracts it pulls a set of two steel ropes, passing over a system of pulleys and joined to the further part of the bridge. This initiates the bridge unfolding sequence. The travel of the main launching cylinder and the bridge-operating cylinder continues until the nearest part of the bridge rests on the ground in front of the launcher. In this position the launching cylinders block the movement of the launching frame and the bridge is pushed further by auxiliary cylinders. The fulcrum of operation shifts and the operation of the bridge-opening cylinders continues until the bridge is fully open. The bridge is then lowered into position by the main operating cylinder. At this point the operator actuates three unlocking cylinders disengaging the launching beam from the bridge. A mechanical lock is opened at the same time allowing the launching vehicle to move away from the bridge. The bridge is recovered in the reverse sequence. If the launch vehicle engine or the hydraulic pumps fail, there is provision for manual launching of the bridge. The M47M launcher can also be used to lay a short single-span bridge. This bridge is one half of the folding 21.4 m bridge fitted with an extra set of folding ramps. No details are available regarding this variant but it is assumed that it is launched in the same manner and sequence as the full-size folding bridge.

SPECIFICATIONS :

AVLB
Crew: 2
Weight: 54,000 kg
Width: 4 m
Height: 3.83 m
Bridge
Weight: 9,800 kg
Max span of bridge: 21.4 m
Max clear span: 20.3 m
Bridge width: 4 m
Distance between treadways: 0.96 m
STATUS : Prototype.

COMPANY NAME : Military Vehicle Research and Development Establishment





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M48 and M60 Armoured Vehicle-Launched Bridges (AVLB)

DEVELOPMENT :
In the 1950s the standard AVLB of the US Army was the M48A2 AVLB. This was an M48 MBT chassis, fitted with a scissors bridge, designed by the US Army Engineer Research and Development Laboratories (now the Belvoir Research, Development and Engineering Center) at Fort Belvoir, Virginia. Production of the M48 was completed in 1959 and from 1963 the chassis of the M60 MBT was used. The chassis of these two vehicles is almost identical, the major difference being the type of engine. The M48, M48A1 and M48A2 were all powered by a 12-cylinder petrol engine which developed between 810 and 825 hp at 2,800 rpm, while the M48A3 was powered by a 12-cylinder diesel (AVDS-1790-2A) engine which developed 750 hp at 2,400 rpm, giving the vehicle an increased operational range. In FY78 the US Army requested $20.9 million to convert 136 M48A1 and M48A2 tanks into M48A5 AVLBs. (These vehicles now have M60 AVLB launcher components and the AVDS-1790-2D engine.) NAPCO Inc of Hopkins, Minnesota, can provide complete AVLB system support including training, technical assistance, special tools packages, spare parts and technical manuals.

DESCRIPTION :

The basic chassis of the M60 AVLB is almost identical to that of the M60 MBT, except that the driver is located aft of his MBT location and accommodation is made in the same area for the commander, since the MBT turret is removed for the AVLB configuration. The engine and transmission are at the rear. Early M48 AVLBs had two turrets, each with a 0.50/12.7 mm Browning M2 HB machine gun, but they were later removed and replaced by two conventional hatch covers. The crew of two consists of the driver and commander. The suspension is of the torsion bar type and consists of six roadwheels with the idler at the front and the drive sprocket at the rear, with three track-return rollers. Hydraulic shock-absorbers are fitted at the first, second and sixth roadwheel stations. The bridge weighs 13,380 kg and is made primarily of aluminium. It is carried folded and launched over the front of the vehicle hydraulically as follows: the AVLB is driven up to the obstacle and halted, the bridge is raised hydraulically into the vertical, unfolded and lowered into place and the launcher detached. The bridge, which weighs 13,290 kg complete, takes 3 minutes to launch and can be recovered from either end. Recovery time is between 10 and 60 minutes depending on the ground conditions. The bridge has an overall length of 19.202 m and can span a gap of up to 18.288 m. Overall bridge width is 3.96 m, 3.81 m of which is usable roadway, with each trackway 1.486 m wide. Its maximum capacity is 54,431 kg.

SPECIFICATIONS :

M60 AVLB
Crew: 2
Weight:
(with bridge) 55,205 kg
(without bridge) 41,730 kg
Length:
(with bridge) 11.28 m
(chassis) 8.648 m
Width:
(with bridge) 4.002 m
(chassis) 3.64 m
Height:
(with bridge) 3.9 m
(without bridge) 3.04 m
Ground clearance: 0.36 m
Track: 2.921 m
Track width: 711 mm
Length of track on ground: 4.235 m
Ground pressure: 0.92 kg/cm{2}
Max speed: (road) 48.28 km/h
Range: 500 km
Fuel capacity: 1,420 litres
Fording: 1.219 m
Gradient: 30%
Vertical obstacle: 0.914 m
Trench: 2.59 m
Engine: Continental AVDS-1790-2A or AVDS-1790-2D 12-cylinder diesel
developing 750 bhp at 2,400 rpm
Transmission: Allison CD-850-6 with 2 forward and 1 reverse ranges
Electrical system: 24 V
Batteries: 6 x 12 V, 100 Ah
Armament: nil
Armour
hull front: 101-120 mm
hull sides front: 76 mm
hull sides and rear: 51 mm
hull top: 57 mm
hull floor: 12.7-63 mm
hull rear: 44 mm
STATUS : Current users are known to include Germany, Israel, Pakistan (M48), Singapore (12 M60), Spain, Taiwan, and the US Army and Marine Corps.

COMPANY NAME : General Dynamics Land Systems Division

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1971 is a whole different ball game

Pakistan Army was surrounded on all 4 corners

To fight would mean suicide

But in Kashmir, India can never win

And despite that we repelled every attempt made by Pakistan to conquer it.
 
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i think both countries need to work together towards trade and development. we need to learn lessons from our history. once upon a time India-Pakistan together was richest landmass with high economic factor and culture. see where we are today? the whole world is taking step forward towards getting progressed and giving good life for their people. whereas, our both nations are still comparing each other's army...... if we put our brains in right direction, we can be much better than this.
 
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ok so you have a neutral source to "prove" pakistan defeated india in 1965???? plz show it,else don't quote anything from your school(or madrassa's) history books


now you r pulling numbers from your arse

Dude today the Islamic Republic Of Pakistan in the Map of the World is itself a BIG PROOF that u people failed miserably to Occupy our country which was yr Biggest n only goal.
 
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Pakistan have most mature arm manufacturing and one of the strongest army in the world ! Sweet Dreams...

yes it is the truth but i also know its hard to digest.

its ok i would have done same what ur doing now.:lol:

Sweet Dreams.

And despite that we repelled every attempt made by Pakistan to conquer it.

like what??

Is Pakistan's situation better than 1971 ( i dont think so , now your army is over utilized is a sitting duck- could not do even when the country is burning)

yeah keep on living on that:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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The title is wrong as it should read "qualitative comparison".

We all know how India beats the whole world in quantity with it's massive population, which is the second highest in the world (if not the first).

But what has it achieved with so much in human capital (or the lack thereof)?

A massive and ubiquitous rape culture?

Doing outsourcing jobs for dirt cheap like the slaves on cotton farms?

Half of the population that never saw power in their entire lives? The other half that have access to it, only intermittently?

The highest poorest population in the world, even surpassing Sub-Saharan Africa?

Issues with sanitation for it's citizens?

Issues with law and order all over the country, starting from Kashmir, to the 7-sister states?

Separatist sentiment in Azad Deccan, Punjab, Assam, etc.?

Same separatists and terror groups (that they created themselves) assassinating two of their prime ministers?

Failure to protect minority rights, their places of worship and give them the feeling of integrity and belonging?

Are these achievements by any imaginable metric?

Or, is it even logical to compare such a "country", with any country, in the world?
 
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India always claim its army is china centric but from the formation map it clear that most of the indian army formation are towards Pakistan border and more importantly around Kashmir region .
 
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The title is wrong as it should read "qualitative comparison".

We all know how India beats the whole world in quantity with it's massive population, which is the second highest in the world (if not the first).

But what has it achieved with so much in human capital (or the lack thereof)?

A massive and ubiquitous rape culture?

Doing outsourcing jobs for dirt cheap like the slaves on cotton farms?

Half of the population that never saw power in their entire lives? The other half that have access to it, only intermittently?

The highest poorest population in the world, even surpassing Sub-Saharan Africa?

Issues with sanitation for it's citizens?

Issues with law and order all over the country, starting from Kashmir, to the 7-sister states?

Separatist sentiment in Azad Deccan, Punjab, Assam, etc.?

Same separatists and terror groups (that they created themselves) assassinating two of their prime ministers?

Failure to protect minority rights, their places of worship and give them the feeling of integrity and belonging?

Are these achievements by any imaginable metric?

Or, is it even logical to compare such a "country", with any country, in the world?

a pakistani saying this? strange.
 
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The strength of the Indian and Pakistani armed forces - India - IBNLive

India and Pakistan gained their independence 65 years ago and have fought four wars since then. After the humiliating defeat in the 1971 war, Pakistan has been increasing its military strength at a rapid pace. Today both countries are nuclear armed and their armies are in an eyeball-to-eyeball situation at many places on the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir.

While Pakistan has been violating the ceasefire at the LoC regularly, India has exercised great restraint both militarily and politically. Here is a look at the strengths of the armed forces of the two countries.

The number of Indian Army Corps is 9 while Pakistan has 8 Corps. The Indian Army has 13 lakh soldiers while Pakistan army has 6 lakh soldiers. Indian has over 8 lakh combatants as reserves while Pakistan has 5 lakh.

Indian Army has over 4100 main battle tanks while Pakistan has nearly 2500 of these fighting machines. The Indian Air Force (1,70,000 combatants) has a strength of over 700 fighters and bombers apart from 20 attack helicopters. Pakistan (45,000) has over 400 combat aircraft. The Indian Navy comprising of 55,000 troops is way ahead of its Pakistani counterpart with one aircraft carrier, 17 submarines including the nuclear powered INS Chakra and over 20 other battleships. Pakistani Navy has 25,000 soldiers and about 16 ships.

But sources say that more than the military strength it is the strategy and the quality of leadership that determines the winner of a combat.

India can do three strikes corps with armoured divisions while Pakistan has only two.

The two countries share a long border and the Pakistani armed forces are only geared to fight India. So, experts don't see much difference in the capability of the armed forces of the two countries.

But Indian Air Force has far better capability than Pakistan's. India has 12 air bases where MiGs, Jaguars, Sukhois and Mirage fighters as based. On the other hand the Pakistan Air force has only 7 air bases where the Mirage, JF and F-16 fighters as stationed.

But Pakistan is ahead of India in terms of the modern AWACS aircraft. The use of AWACS planes is extremely important in modern warfare as they are equipped with radar and can give information about enemy planes, ships and missiles. India currently has only three AWACS while Pakistan has nine of these planes.

Pakistan is reported to have 90 to 100 nuclear warheads while India has about 80 warheads. The two countries are almost at par in terms of missiles.
 
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Bro you don't need to open another thread on same topic... admit that Pak has superiority over IA and IAF ... and PN will sunk our IN just for target practice...
 
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If only paper strength was enough to determine outcome of a conflict, USA would be having a state in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq each :hitwall:
 
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