Pakistan & Turkey kick off 'TUSAP Raiders-14' joint air exercise in Konya.

[Sage]

Haha, you wish.

The missile tone was strong every time, why they did not just shoot !

 

[xenon54 out]

The missile tone was strong every time, why they did not just shoot !

No need to start a war.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

PLAAF doesn't have Mig-29s and they didn't deploy the Su-27s but J-11Bs.

Check this.

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China has 1 mig-29:

 

[Kompromat]

Experimental.

 

[Sage]

No need to start a war.

Why the lots of yanking and banking and locking ?

 

[Donatello]

Sir do you know where on can obtain these squadron patches?

 

[xenon54 out]

Why the lots of yanking and banking and locking ?

Thats our hate love.

 

[Viper0011.]

PAF will never pit jf17 against any other airforce, they know then the bubble will burst and all their claims would be vanished, their policy is keep the myth as long as they can.

That's ONE strange post. By keeping the "myth" as you suggest, what will the PAF gain? You think they spent Billions so there is a "myth"? Its probably due to the lack of proper integration of the Western and Eastern aircrafts, data links, etc. And potentially other integration of sensors that's ongoing.

Going and dropping bombs on targets and coming back is one thing. Going to a Combat Exercise is a totally different issue and requires platforms to communicate with each other, use EW and Radar DL's and other integration between platforms.
You build a knowledge base and tactics after each of these exercises. These ain't no vacation trips!

 

[Windjammer]

 

[RAMPAGE]

So who's winning ???

 

[Kompromat]

This is training not a cricket match. There are no winners or losers.

 

[Neptune]

@Horus @Luftwaffe @fatman17 @Xeric @TOPGUN @That Guy @DESERT FIGHTER @Armstrong

Konya training range is the exact same as the one in Red Flag (US), hell amount of exercise radars and Aselsan simulators which can be switched as the all European/Chinese/Russian air defense/radar systems.

So there's a Red Team and a Blue Team.

Blue Team is represented by the guest friendly air force(s) and TURAF squadrons participating to the exercise. It is supported by an aerial refueller (KC-135 Stratotanker) and an AWACS plane (it's NATO Boeing E-3 if the exercise is alliance wide, as reported it is Boeing E-737 AEW&C Peace Eagle at Tusab Raiders). The Turkish participation to the Blue Team is usually guided by the 192nd "Kaplan" FİLO (the squadron used most actively abroad; Kosovo, Bosnia, Serbia, Libya and Baltic Air Policing with significant Red Flag experience, the only foreign squadron ever flew at Red Flag as Red Forces along with USAF) from 9th AJÜ. Also F-16 trainees from the 143rd "Öncel" FİLO also participate as Blue.

Red Team is represented by the host air force, Hava Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı a.k.a Turkish Air Force (HVKK). Red Team is always represented by the 132nd "Hançer" FİLO, the HVKK's one of two combat training squadrons for F-16 and the weapons and tactics development squadron.

132nd "Dagger" Sq.

Also the it can be mixed if the exercise is AE-3 multinational type.


The Blue Team is tasked to clear a particular area heavily defended by SAMs which belongs to Red Team, with SEAD and ground attack, targets may be designated by the Peace Eagle. Also the escort of a cargo plane is in the objectives of Blue Team as well, the plane is tasked to drop supplies to ground forces.

Red Team is the aggressor squadron of Red's airspace.

Note: at an AE-2 exercise of previous years, a PAF exchange pilot was flying TURAF F-16 Block 50 CCIP at 132nd FİLO as Red Team and reported to shot down RAF Typhoons.

The protocol above is the one in stage at Tusab Raiders.

 

[Indos]

No, i disagree. Its only Russia. Current Iranian airforce vs TurAF is nothing but target decoys ready to be AMRAAMED. I'd personally want TurAF to train against Flankers and they did against the Chinese J-11s in the past but only used the F-4s.

Since the US disapproves the F-16s being pitted against the Chinese, we can invite Indonesians and Malaysians to either Anatolian Eagle in Turkey or Indus Viper in Pakistan.

@Indos | What do you think?

Its a good idea, there has already been a good cooperation between Turkey and Indonesia in defense industry, so it shouldn't be difficult to start a military training together. If we can do it with Australia and see our Sukhoi having dogfight with Aussie F-18 Super Hornet, why can't we have similar training with Turkey and Pakistan ?

 

[Donatello]

@Horus @Luftwaffe @fatman17 @Xeric @TOPGUN @That Guy @DESERT FIGHTER @Armstrong

Konya training range is the exact same as the one in Red Flag (US), hell amount of exercise radars and Aselsan simulators which can be switched as the all European/Chinese/Russian air defense/radar systems.

So there's a Red Team and a Blue Team.

Blue Team is represented by the guest friendly air force(s) and TURAF squadrons participating to the exercise. It is supported by an aerial refueller (KC-135 Stratotanker) and an AWACS plane (it's NATO Boeing E-3 if the exercise is alliance wide, as reported it is Boeing E-737 AEW&C Peace Eagle at Tusab Raiders). The Turkish participation to the Blue Team is usually guided by the 192nd "Kaplan" FİLO (the squadron used most actively abroad; Kosovo, Bosnia, Serbia, Libya and Baltic Air Policing with significant Red Flag experience, the only foreign squadron ever flew at Red Flag as Red Forces along with USAF) from 9th AJÜ. Also F-16 trainees from the 143rd "Öncel" FİLO also participate as Blue.

Red Team is represented by the host air force, Hava Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı a.k.a Turkish Air Force (HVKK). Red Team is always represented by the 132nd "Hançer" FİLO, the HVKK's one of two combat training squadrons for F-16 and the weapons and tactics development squadron.

132nd "Dagger" Sq.

Also the it can be mixed if the exercise is AE-3 multinational type.


The Blue Team is tasked to clear a particular area heavily defended by SAMs which belongs to Red Team, with SEAD and ground attack, targets may be designated by the Peace Eagle. Also the escort of a cargo plane is in the objectives of Blue Team as well, the plane is tasked to drop supplies to ground forces.

Red Team is the aggressor squadron of Red's airspace.

Note: at an AE-2 exercise of previous years, a PAF exchange pilot was flying TURAF F-16 Block 50 CCIP at 132nd FİLO as Red Team and reported to shot down RAF Typhoons.

The protocol above is the one in stage at Tusab Raiders.

Do you know the exact exercise, because i believe it was PAF pilot flying a F-16 Block 15 and the Typhoons were Italian Airforce.

 

[Neptune]

Do you know the exact exercise, because i believe it was PAF pilot flying a F-16 Block 15 and the Typhoons were Italian Airforce.

No.. But it's not possible. I checked the exercise history of AE, just now. The last exercise when Italy and PAF participated together is 2004, , a decade ago. And when UK and Pakistan were together was at 2007 only, RAF participated with Tornado GR4 at that year's AE. There are also AF folks here saying the same, "a PAF exchange pilot flying with 132nd "Hançer" FİLO vipers have beaten RAF Typhoons at AE"