I quoted references and links, and the exact Hadith from Bukhari ... Mullah Zarvan is lying as usual ..
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“I wanted to write the Sun’an, and I remembered a people who were before you, they wrote other books to follow and abandoned the book of God. And I will never, I swear, replace God’s book with anything”
(Jami Al-Bayan 1/67)
(1) Response: Omar wrote a Book on Law to Shreih, he said:
“If there is anything in Allah’s Book, act according to it and do not let men deviate you from it and if there anything not mentioned in Allah’s book,
look into the Sunna of the messenger of Allah (pbuh) and judge on it accordingly.”
(Source:
Muhammed Redha “Al Farouk Omar Ibn Khattab, page 54)
(2) Did Umar forbid the writing?
As to Umar, we learn on the authority of Ma’mar ibn Rashid, that during his caliphate, Umar once consulted the companions of the Prophet on the subject of codifying the Hadith. Each person affirmed that such a codification should be done. Yet Umar continued to hesitate and pray to God for a whole month for guidance and enlightenment. Ultimately, he decided not to undertake the task, and said:
“Former peoples neglected the Divine Books and concentrated only on the conduct of the prophets;
I do not want to set up the possibility of confusion between the Qur’an and the Prophet’s Hadith.”(Source:
Dr. Hamidullah Introduction to Islam. Kuwait. 1977. Page 33)
The only reason he didn’t want to write as well as compile Hadith Books is because he didn’t want people to concentrate on the Hadith of the Prophets more and forget about the Book of Allah. But he never forbade people from writing them. He himself didn’t prefer it. There is not one Authentic Hadith in any book where he forbade people from writing Hadith down.
(3) Umar Ibn Al-Khattab wrote hadiths to the following people:
1- Utbah bin Farqad
2- Abu Ubaidah bin Al-Jarrah
3- He presented Abdullah bin Omar hadiths that had to do with sadaqaat.
(Source:
Dirasaat fil Hadith Al-Nabawi page 131 – 139)
More evidence that Umar followed and encouraged Hadiths, the Sunnah of the prophet (p). Umar Ibn Khattab delivered a sermon after the prophet’s death and said:
Ma’dan b. Talha reported: ‘Umar b. Khattab, delivered the Friday sermon and he made a mention of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr. He (further) said: I saw in a dream that a cock pecked me twice, and I perceive that my death is near. Some people have suggested me to appoint my successor. And Allah would not destroy His religion. His caliphate and that with which He sent His Apostle (may peace be upon him) If death approaches me soon, the (issue) of Caliphate (would be decided) by the consent of these six men with whom the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) remained well pleased till his death. And I know fully well that some people would blame me that I killed with these very hands of mine some persons who apparently professed (Islam). And if they do this (blame me) they are the enemies of Allah, and are non-believers and have gone astray. And I leave not after me anything which to my mind seems more important than Kalala. And I never turned towards the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) (for guidance) more often than this Kalala, and he (the Prophet) was not annoyed with me on any other (issue) than this: (And he was so perturbed) that he struck his fingers on my chest and said: Does this verse. that is at the end of Surat al-Nisa’. which was revealed in the hot season not suffice you? And if I live longer I would decide this (problem so clearly) that one who reads the Qur’an, or one who does not read it, would be able to take (correct), decisions (under its light). He (‘Umar) further said: Allah! I call You witness on these Governors of lands, that I sent them to (the peoples of these lands)
so that they should administer justice amongst them, teach them their religion and the Sunnah of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him), and distribute amongst them the spoils of war and refer to me that which they find difficult to perform. O people. you eat ‘these two plants and these are onions and garlic. and I find them nothing but repugnant for I saw that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) sensed the odour of these two from a person in a mosque, he was made to go to al-Baqi’. So he who eats it should (make its odour) die by cooking it well.
(Source:
Sahih Muslim Book 4, Hadith number 1151)
(5) Umar Ibn Khattab said
“Try to understand whatever cases are referred to you where there is no evidence from the Quran or Sunnah, then try to make an analogy between the case that is before you and similar cases that are dealt with in Quran and Sunnah.” (Source:
Ilam al-Muwaqqi’een, 1/85; Majallah al-Bulooth al-Ilmiyah, 7/287)
I also quoted Hadeeh narrated by Hazrat UMAR RA and you are not only misquoting Ayats and Hadith but also have the audacity to insist on it. By the way your answer is above
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The Moroccan traditionist Ibn Abd al-Barr and al-Bayhaqi in al-Madkhal, reported from Urwah that Umar ibn al-Khattab intended to write down the sunan (traditions), so he sought the legal opinion (fatwa) – or consulted, according to al-Bayhaqi’s narration – the Messenger’s Companions in this regard, and they advised him to write them down. Then Umar started seeking Allah’s guidance, keeping on this for one month, after which one day entering upon the morning with God’s determining the decision for him, he said: I have intended to write down the sunan, and I remember that some people before you had written some books, devoting themselves to them and discarding the Book of Allah. By God, I never mingle anything to the Book of Allah. According to al-Bayhaqi’s narration (he said): “I never obscure the Book of Allah with anything at all.”
Yahya ibn Ju’dah reports that Umar ibn al-Khattab intended to write ahadith and sunan. But having changed his mind he sent a circular to all the cities declaring: “Whoever has with him anything of it should efface it.”44 Jami’ bayan al-‘ilm wa fadlih, vol.I, pp.64, 65; Tabaqat Ibn Sa’d, Laidan, Edition, vol.I, p.206.
Ibn Abd al-Barr reports from al-Shi’bi, from Qurdah ibn Ka’b that he said: We went out taking the direction of Iraq, when we were accompanied by Umar till the region of Sirar,61 who said to us: Do you know the reason for my accompanying you? We said: May it be you intended to dignify and honour us? He said: “Nevertheless, there was some necessary need I wanted to be met. You are going to a country whose people being known of diligent bee-like sound in reciting the Qur’an, so you are asked not to frustrate their wills through narrating (abundant) traditions from the Messenger of Allah, and I will be your partner in this task. Qurdah said: After that I have never reported any hadith from the Messenger of Allah.
In another narration, he said: You are going to visit people of a village known of diligently reciting the Qur’an, with a sweet bee-like echo, so never repel them (from this) through narrating traditions, so as to divert their attention (from the Qur’an). Recite the Qur’an with intonation, and lessen in narrating hadith from the Messenger of Allah, whence I will do the same. Then when Qurdah reached that region, its people said to him: Relate to us (hadith). He replied: We are forbidden by Umar.62 62. This addition is taken from Tadhkirat al-huffaz of al-Dhahabi. It is confirmed by al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, vol.I, p.102.
Response: Umar is another companion (May Allah be pleased with him) who has not escaped the slander and lies that have been attributed to him by Shia. The first quote that talks about Umar ordering other companions to efface the Hadith they have in their possession, I have looked for this Hadith and it is no where to be found in the references they have provided. I will quote the following Hadiths, that Umar always followed the way of the prophet Muhammed’s (p) teachings.
1. Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: As-Subayy ibn Ma’bad said:
I raised my voice in talbiyah for both of them (i.e. umrah and hajj). Thereupon Umar said:
You were guided to the practice (Sunnah) of your Prophet (p). (Source: Abu Dawud Book #10, Hadith #1794)
2. Umar Ibn Khattab makes it clear that people cannot abandon the Book of Allah and the Sunnah (teachings) of Prophet Muhammed (p):
Abu Ishaq reported: I was with al-Aswad b. Yazid sitting in the great mosque, and there was with us al-Sha’bi, and he narrated the narration of Fatima bint Qais (Allah be pleased with her) that Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) did not make any provision for lodging and maintenance allowance for her. Al-Aswad caught hold of some pebbles in his fist and he threw them towards him saying: Woe be to thee, you narrate like it, whereas Umar said:
We cannot abandon the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of our Apostle (pbuh) for the words of a woman. We do not know whether she remembers that or she forgets. For her, there is a provision of lodging and maintenance allowance. Allah, the Exalted and Majestic, said:” Turn them not from their houses nor should they themselves go forth unless they commit an open indecency”.
(Source: Sahih Muslim Book#009, Hadith #3524)
3. Umar Ibn Khattab delivered a sermon after the prophets death and said:
“O Allah, I call upon You to bear witness over the governors of the regions, for I have only appointed them over them so that they
may judge fairly amongst them and teach the people their religion and Sunnah of their prophet (pbuh), and divide the booty amongst them.”
(Source: Sahih Muslim Hadith number 567)
4. Umar Ibn Khattab:
“Learn grammar as you learn the sunnahs and shares of inheritance.”
(Source: Al-Bayan wa at-Tabyeen by al-Jahdh 2/219)
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. Umar Ibn Khattab:
“Try to understand whatever cases are referred to you where there is no evidence from the Quran or Sunnah, then try to make an analogy between the case that is before you and similar cases that are dealt with in Quran and Sunnah.”
(Source: Ilam al-Muwaqqi’een, 1/85; Majallah al-Bulooth al-Ilmiyah, 7/287)
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