Pakistan totally failed to capitalize the technology transfer of the Agosta-90B Submarines.

[Blue Marlin]

Yep 4 coming from China by 2022-2023, the KSEW ones by 2028.

so i would assume they have begun steel cutting for the first sub by now or atleast this year

 

[untitled]

8th of May 2002.

Interesting no one brought up this issue on this thread

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

so i would assume they have begun steel cutting for the first sub by now or atleast this year

Not sure. No clear announcement but CSIC said they've "begun work" ... not sure what that means.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Boy 2023-2028 is quite delayed , considering the man power we have that kind of slow rampup is just strange

 

[The SC]

Not really lol. But still we really don't know which submarines we are buying? Why do you think its being kept secret?

Think about it..it is because it is a very advanced and modern submarine.. people will know some things about it when it will be ready.. not before that.. too many curious people out there..these subs are supposed to form an important role that will most likely be one of the deterrent triad..

 

[Trango Towers]

We didn't construct a single submarine after the initial three. Instead we are buying eight more Chinese submarines. What was the whole point of wasting resources for building future submarines that we will never build?

And that's why you don't think it through

Sadly 90's submarine now 25-28 years later the talent is close to or have retired

And they didn't go on to train others????

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well if we were making any Submarine for last 25 years it would have showed up on google search by now

 

[ziaulislam]

Boy 2023-2028 is quite delayed , considering the man power we have that kind of slow rampup is just strange

by modern standards that is pretty fast

 

[CHI RULES]

We didn't construct a single submarine after the initial three. Instead we are buying eight more Chinese submarines. What was the whole point of wasting resources for building future submarines that we will never build?

at least we got trained work force and some experience of submarine manufacturing. However it is useless if more than 90% materials are being imported.

First we should start to produce raw materials required of superior quality and then go for at least basic gadgets. The final step should be of manufacturing.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well 2028 is almost 10 years from now and that is just rediculously late figure considering we ordered the items 1-2 years back

by modern standards that is pretty fast

In Pakistan the construction of airport takes 6-7 years which is completed in 6 months to 1.5 years overseas

I think when we manufactured Agosta in Pakistan we did it in few years

 

[bananarepublic]

Well 2028 is almost 10 years from now and that is just rediculously late figure considering we ordered the items 1-2 years back




In Pakistan the construction of airport takes 6-7 years which is completed in 6 months to 1.5 years overseas

I think when we manufactured Agosta in Pakistan we did it in few years

Pakistan could've bought some from french while some from Chinese this would've lowered the construction time frame .

 

[Taygibay]

Boy 2023-2028 is quite delayed , considering the man power we have that kind of slow rampup is just strange

It could simply be money shortage, mate!

Even the Rafale program suffered a hiatus in the 1990s
due to the government delaying acquisition because it
was short on available cash and it happens everywhere.

Pakistan could've bought some from french while some from Chinese this would've lowered the construction time frame .

LOL, you just went full circle on the OP, buddy!
Not bought, produced under license at KSEW.
Say the exact 3 we're talking about?

Great day all, Tay.

memberexe

 

[bananarepublic]

It could simply be money shortage, mate!

Even the Rafale program suffered a hiatus in the 1990s
due to the government delaying acquisition because it
was short on available cash and it happens everywhere.



LOL, you just went full circle on the OP, buddy!
Not bought, produced under license at KSEW.
Say the exact 3 we're talking about?

Great day all, Tay.

memberexe

I am talking about the recent procurement strategy with Chinese . we could've just got some from the Chinese and some from French as subs are needed on a quick basis.

 

[untitled]

Great day all, Tay.

memberexe

Thank you Sir. Always nice to hear from you

 

[niaz]

Technology Transfer is one of most misunderstood and often misused word. The term ‘technology’ is an inherently abstract concept which is difficult to interpret, observe and evaluate.

In the context of developing countries, many perceive TOT in terms of achieving three core objectives: 1) The introduction of new techniques by means of investment of new plants; (2) The improvement of existing techniques and (3) The generation of new knowledge especially in the case of sophisticated machinery or equipment.

However, technology transfer is a complex & difficult process that needs time to evolve. The success of technology transfer, and the economic benefits of technology transfer such as the transmission of the know-how which would enable the recipient to manufacture a particular machinery depends on the state of the recipient country’s human resource capacity & her economic development.

Regrettably Pakistan has not yet developed to the level where it could absorb the skills to design and manufacture a submarine on its own. The entire TOT that Pakistan engineers acquired in the process was probably to assemble a state of the art complex war machine from its component parts.

The same is partly true for AL Khalid MBT. Pakistan only manufactures some parts but the engine and transmission are imported from Ukraine.

The following link is useful to look at the stage of Pakistan’s economic development.