Pakistan to train Tanzania Air Force

[That Guy]

Don't read to much into this. I doubt that the JF-17 will ever be discussed further than in a formal fashion. The Tanzanian AF doesn't have the budget for any sort of decent acquisition. The entire military budget for the armed forces was $220 milllion in 2014, at most they'd have to buy them a few a year, if they were to go for the JF-17. If they were to buy even one squadron of JF-17s within 2-3 years, they'd be breaking their budget severely.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

PAF might sell them refurbished F7PG's in the future----that might be an upgrade for them.

 

[shrimant]

good going

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Hi,

PAF might sell them refurbished F7PG's in the future----that might be an upgrade for them.

Perfect recipe for our JFT replacements or even if they somehow able to buy JFT in both cases we will gain.

 

[OrionHunter]

In the medium term. PAF will most likely offer them a replacement plan.

JF-17s would be ideal as they are cost effective. Pakistan would also get a ready market for these jets. It could be a start for selling the Thunders to other African countries as well.

 

[Windjammer]

PAF has already made Nigerian Air Force operational again, no doubt other African countries would want to benefit from PAF's experience specially on the Chinese platforms and it gives Pakistan defence industry opportunity to further tap into African markets.

Pan-African news agency (Pana) reports that Pakistani Air Force personnel are present in Nigeria working to maintain Nigerian aircraft. Two Pakistani pilots are providing technical assistance for the Air Force’s Chinese-built F-7NI and FT-7NI jets. Pakistan also operates the type and has trained Nigerian pilots.

The Pakistanis were brought in following several F-7 crashes and the loss of maintenance schedules, which resulted in the grounding of the fleet in October 2012. After assistance from the Pakistan Air Force, the jets were cleared to fly again, Pana reports.
Speaking at the meeting, the Nigerian,Chief of the Air Staff, Air Marshal Alex M Sabundu Badeh, lauded the Pakistanis for their cooperation with Nigeria.Badeh said that in the maintenance of the F-7 aircraft, “you (Pakistanis) sent teams that looked at them and told NAF what to do. We already have instructor pilots on the F-7s. We are looking for
further assistance on the C-130 aircraft as we need an instructor pilot on the C-130.”

 

[Paksanity]

Great news. However JF-17 probably is not on the table. Not yet. African air forces have been dormant for decades now. With growing insurgent threats in the continent, they are looking to revive their air forces. PAF can help establish their air forces. Once they have their air force up and running, JF-17 exports can become reality. Operating an advanced aircraft such as JF-17 is not possible for an air force which has obsolete equipment with limited resources.

 

[That Guy]

Don't read to much into this. I doubt that the JF-17 will ever be discussed further than in a formal fashion. The Tanzanian AF doesn't have the budget for any sort of decent acquisition. The entire military budget for the armed forces was $220 milllion in 2014, at most they'd have to buy them a few a year, if they were to go for the JF-17. If they were to buy even one squadron of JF-17s within 2-3 years, they'd be breaking their budget severely.

I should also add that the maintenance costs will also deeply effect any sort of deal between the two. Simply put, The Tanzanian AF cannot afford even a small number of 4th gen fighters. Their best bet is third gen fighters, as their entire military (including air force) is defensive in nature. Third gen fighters are perfect for their air defense, and would go a long way to keep Tanzanian air space safe from rival air forces such as Kenyan air force (F-5 tiger II) and Mozambique air force (Mig 21). Perhaps Pakistani F-7PGs that are being retired could be refurbished and sold to them, but other than that, I doubt anything else will come out of this deal,

 

[Tempest II]

Don't read to much into this. I doubt that the JF-17 will ever be discussed further than in a formal fashion. The Tanzanian AF doesn't have the budget for any sort of decent acquisition. The entire military budget for the armed forces was $220 milllion in 2014, at most they'd have to buy them a few a year, if they were to go for the JF-17. If they were to buy even one squadron of JF-17s within 2-3 years, they'd be breaking their budget severely.

in most countries purchases like new fighters or a battalion of tanks are not part of the recurring defence budget. The MoD could get its $220 as usual, then a seperate allocation made for a squadron of fighters. Also, the payment for new fighters would be over several years, probably over 5 years, with annual instalments. This would spread from signing the deal, another amount when the full specifications are approved and manufactured start, another instalment with the initial delivery, etc.

 

[Kambojaric]

Africa and S. America are the two main markets for JF 17. We need to become more aggressive there.

 

[That Guy]

in most countries purchases like new fighters or a battalion of tanks are not part of the recurring defence budget. The MoD could get its $220 as usual, then a seperate allocation made for a squadron of fighters. Also, the payment for new fighters would be over several years, probably over 5 years, with annual instalments. This would spread from signing the deal, another amount when the full specifications are approved and manufactured start, another instalment with the initial delivery, etc.

That is quite true. Though, I do have to point out one thing, would the low budget not be an indication of the lack of funds? Sure, they could buy new equipment, but how much can the government (that's still very low income) afford to modernize it's military force? The acquisition budget for new equipment cannot be that large considering the economic realities of Tanzania.

 

[Tempest II]

That is quite true. Though, I do have to point out one thing, would the low budget not be an indication of the lack of funds? Sure, they could buy new equipment, but how much can the government (that's still very low income) afford to modernize it's military force? The acquisition budget for new equipment cannot be that large considering the economic realities of Tanzania.

I would say it depends on national priorities. Uganda has a smaller economy but has a dozen Flankers and several dozen T-90 tanks.
Why Kenya's Economy is now Africa's Powerhouse | Brookings Institution
Kenya's GDP accounts for 40 percent of the region's GDP, followed by Tanzania at 28 percent, Uganda at 21 percent, Rwanda at 8 percent, and lastly Burundi at 3 percent. In terms of GDP at current market prices, Kenya's 2011 GDP stood at $34 billion, well ahead of the closest rival economy, Tanzania, with a GDP of $24 billion.

 

[nomi007]

Tanzania should be made a customer for JF-17 along with a training package and guide them on formally retiring those Mig-21s and modernize their force.

if u need jf-17 thunder we can also provide u to replace your coffin migs

 

[That Guy]

I would say it depends on national priorities. Uganda has a smaller economy but has a dozen Flankers and several dozen T-90 tanks.
Why Kenya's Economy is now Africa's Powerhouse | Brookings Institution
Kenya's GDP accounts for 40 percent of the region's GDP, followed by Tanzania at 28 percent, Uganda at 21 percent, Rwanda at 8 percent, and lastly Burundi at 3 percent. In terms of GDP at current market prices, Kenya's 2011 GDP stood at $34 billion, well ahead of the closest rival economy, Tanzania, with a GDP of $24 billion.

Well, there is also the issue of GDP budgeting. Tanzania tends to spend less than 1% of its GDP on the military (that includes new acquisitions), and looking at its history, there doesn't seem to be any interest to spend more than necessary, nor a desire to quickly modernize it's forces. From what I can tell (and you can correct me here if I'm wrong) the Tanzanians seem to be reluctant at spending any sort of hard cash on their security forces.

 

[Tempest II]

Well, there is also the issue of GDP budgeting. Tanzania tends to spend less than 1% of its GDP on the military (that includes new acquisitions), and looking at its history, there doesn't seem to be any interest to spend more than necessary, nor a desire to quickly modernize it's forces. From what I can tell (and you can correct me here if I'm wrong) the Tanzanians seem to be reluctant at spending any sort of hard cash on their security forces.

I guess they see less threats. On the other hand, Uganda has been at war internal and externally for some years. I think they decided to spend on defence and hopefully finish the wars and work on development. Small budgets would mean half-hearted war machine and the wars going on forever.