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Pakistan to sell beer to india

a shameful act...

instead of banning alcohol completely , they are trying to expand the industry.

Please note that not only drinking alcohol is forbidden for muslims, even manufacturing of it is forbidden and anyone who has anything to do with the production of alcohol is committing a sin.

So when pakistan allows production of alcohol ( for beer etc ), we are all committing a sin, entire 18 crore population by allowing this...

What if only the 10 million non-muslim population in Pakistan take part in this production and manufacturing, and Muslims have nothing to do with it..will the 175 million Muslims in Pakistan also get sin for it?
 
How can a Muslim country export beer ? :angry:

Pakistan is amongst the very few islamic states that allow production of alcohol for consumption...

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What if the 10 million non-muslim population in Pakistan take part in this production and selling, and Muslims have nothing to do with it..will the 175 million Muslims in Pakistan also get sin for it?

to my knowledge , yes.

Since alcohol is being produced inside a muslim country. And muslims are forbidden to be involved in the production of alcohol in ANY way...

We have the final decision on whether it is produced or not, and when we allow it, we are sinning...
 
@Faiez: Non Alcoholic beers are classified as [NAB] in licensing these drinks dont contain ANY % of Alcohol and this is why you can find these in the open Market.

NAB brands are allowed and openly sold in Saudi Arabia , UAE and other Muslim countries.

You can find Holsten NAB in every saudi city even in Makkah.

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Molvi Saheb , do you know Muree Brewery is owned by NON MUSLIMS ??

They have a special license to cater for NON MUSLIM community , we cant impose our believes on others , if they wish to export its fine as its a privately owned company doing business with India not state of Pakistan selling alcohol to another country - makes sense?

Beer Diplomacy I kinda like the sound of that. :lol:

Its sinful like explained in the other post...

And also note there are muslim workers hired in the factories as well..

We are forbidden to spread alcohol , since it brings social evils. So when we forbid alcohol in all ways, we help humanity get rid of this evil...
 
Molvi Saheb , do you know Muree Brewery is owned by NON MUSLIMS ??

They have a special license to cater for NON MUSLIM community , we cant impose our believes on others , if they wish to export its fine as its a privately owned company doing business with India not state of Pakistan selling alcohol to another country - makes sense?

Beer Diplomacy I kinda like the sound of that. :lol:

I agree. Theres nothing new in this. The non-muslim population in Pakistan have been manufacturing, buying, selling alcohol for decades in Pakistan. They have the right to drink or eat anything they want.
 
The Politics of Boozing

Temptation awaits at the end of a ramp, in the murkiness in the back corner of an underground garage. There are two holes in the wall, each covered with bars. Both though, the small one and the larger one, have enough space for an arm to reach through. A man sits behind each window, waiting for business. It's as simple as that, and yet these two nondescript little holes in a parking garage wall represent a place of beginnings, a place of hope.

Devout Muslims call it "a disgrace for the city," Ilyaz Rassar calls it "an opportunity" and Pakistan's government bureaucrats call it a "permit room." This permit room, one of about 60 scattered throughout the country, is in downtown Multan, a city of shrines and mosques in eastern Pakistan -- a city otherwise known as the City of Saints.

The men behind the bars are selling alcohol to non-Muslims, a practice that's entirely legal and sanctioned by the government. Under a system that could be dubbed Prohibition Light, this permit room sells four brands of beer, vodka, Silver Top gin, Doctor's brandy and malt whiskey. There is a purchase minimum for beer -- five cans -- at 200 rupees, or about €3 apiece. A bottle of the cheapest whiskey goes for about €30.

All of the alcoholic beverages sold here are produced in the country. The beer is brewed at the "Murree Brewery" near the city of Rawalpindi, the country's only brewery -- a holdover from colonial days and a concession to Pakistan's Christians and Hindus. This domestic liquor industry sells its products in the country's permit rooms from 9 a.m. until 6 p.m., every day except Friday.

Memories of London

It's 11 a.m. and half a dozen men wait at the two windows -- a civilized group who know and greet one another, speaking in hushed tones. Ilyaz Rassar is a Christian with a Pakistani passport, a short, stocky man with thinning hair waiting in line and holding two folded-up moving boxes. Rassar, who visits the permit room once a week, says he is "mainly a businessman," and that he has relatively little interest in religion.

Rassar comes to this place to do business, of course, but also because he knows that he can speak freely here. He says he has never seen a fundamentalist here. In fact, coming here feels a bit like being back in the West. He once visited London, a place he says he liked, especially the pubs and the beer. The permit room, which he says brings back memories of his time in London, serves as a European outpost and a tiny glimpse of a future Rassar and others like him would love to see become reality in Pakistan. Rassar is a member of two minorities here in Pakistan: Christians and fans of the West.

Rassar keeps a stamped permit issued by the Pakistani government in his jacket pocket. It allows him to buy 100 bottles of beer or 5 bottles of liquor each month. When he reaches the first window, he presents his permit and gives the man his order. The man disappears behind the bars and Rassar goes to the second window, pushes a bundle of money through the hole and returns to the first window, where 30 bottles of liquor are standing on a table. Rassar unfolds his boxes.

And the extra bottles of liquor?

"Oh," says Rassar, "they trust me here. I'm also buying for Christian friends." He says that he'll present their permits later. Rassar smiles, and the man behind the bars smiles with him. Nobody really believes the story about the friends and the permits -- it's likely just a tacit agreement between two businessmen trying to make the best of an imperfect situation.

"Eat, drink and be Murree"

Laws severely restricting the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages were introduced in Pakistan in 1977, and liquor smugglers and dealers have been turning a profit with contraband alcohol ever since. Trucks bring vodka in from China across the mountains along the country's northern border, while ships unload cargos of beer and Scotch whiskey from Europe on its southern coast. In the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, diplomats from African countries run a discreet service, turning the contents of their embassies' liquor cabinets into cash. Permits -- for those who need them -- aren't hard to come by. In fact, there's even a market for permits.

The Pakistani state has always turned a blind eye on the practice, especially now, under the country's current pro-Western President Pervez Musharaff, although a ban on alcohol advertising remains strictly enforced. Indeed, the head of the Murree Brewery assumes that although 99 percent of his customers are Muslims, hardly anyone is likely to know his company's advertising slogan: "Eat, drink and be Murree."

Ilyaz Rassar and his accomplice on the other side of the bars say Musharraf is a "good man" -- that he even drinks the occasional glass of Scotch in the evening, after a long work day.

"We must help the man wherever we can," says Rassar. He's referring to the threat to Musharraf's power from the country's strongest opposition party, which is controlled by fundamentalists. Musharraf, says Rassar, has absolutely no control over tribal regions in the western part of the country. Under these circumstances, he adds, drinking alcohol is a political statement in Pakistan, a declaration of one's opposition to growing fundamentalism -- in short, an act of patriotism. Those who drink, he says, smiling again, are in fact expressing their support for the president, freedom and the West, and their opposition to terrorist leader Osama bin Laden.

Then he packs his bottles into his two boxes, and two helpers carry the merchandise out to his car. Rassar says: "We will win. We will convert the Muslims to alcohol."

He could be right.

In its most recent annual report, the Murree Brewery reported a 37 percent jump in hard liquor profits over the previous year.

Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan
Alcohol in Pakistan: The Politics of Boozing - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
 
Its sinful like explained in the other post...

And also note there are muslim workers hired in the factories as well..

We are forbidden to spread alcohol , since it brings social evils. So when we forbid alcohol in all ways, we help humanity get rid of this evil...

Sinful for who ? , exporters ain't muslim mere bhai !!:hitwall:
 
@Faiez: Non Alcoholic beers are classified as [NAB] in licensing these drinks dont contain ANY % of Alcohol and this is why you can find these in the open Market.

NAB brands are allowed and openly sold in Saudi Arabia , UAE and other Muslim countries.

You can find Holsten NAB in every saudi city even in Makkah.

4608720-Beer_na_ndi_nakakalasing_Riyadh.jpg

I was talking about the other ones which say " no alcohol* " and on the backside is written the actual percentage which is less than 3% mostly...

I have seen such types being sold here...
 
Sinful for who ? , exporters ain't muslim mere bhai !!:hitwall:

Producing alcohol for consumption INSIDE a muslim country is forbidden..that was point and it is valid, ask some scholar if u wish to verify that..

WE are the ones who allow the production, hence we are involved....since we allow it.
 
"India would be the largest market for our alcoholic products"...........??

why bring/talking about india ?
as i know , alcohol is not in the import/export list of either pakistan or india...
 
Producing alcohol for consumption INSIDE a muslim country is forbidden..that was point and it is valid, ask some scholar if u wish to verify that..

WE are the ones who allow the production, hence we are involved....since we allow it.

Does that come from Movli diesel ?
 
In its most recent annual report, the Murree Brewery reported a 37 percent jump in hard liquor profits over the previous year.Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan
Alcohol in Pakistan: The Politics of Boozing - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

This article was written in 2006, so what I am interested is, why did the aclcohol comsumtion increase in the height of the Terrorist era in Pakistan..........37%... It cannot be all Hindus and Christains because I believe they are less then 10%......
 
Just to add to this there is also 'Hindus' who sell beer, at least, in Karachi & NOT only Christians!

:pakistan:
 
This article was written in 2006, so what I am interested is, why did the aclcohol comsumtion increase in the height of the Terrorist era in Pakistan..........37%... It cannot be all Hindus and Christains because I believe they are less then 10%......

Non Muslims have started drinking more.
 

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