Pakistan to raise 12,000 Marines in a new branch of Navy

[kaonalpha]

All I'm saying is that will all this materialise by the end of this decade (2020).?

Mr we are already raising this news was brought out after we already would have raised at least one third of this force and numbers will keep increasing until it reaches 12000.

 

[Zarvan]

All I'm saying is that will all this materialise by the end of this decade (2020).?

Yes equipping entire force and raising 12000 will take time but for sure we have already raised at least 2000 or 3000 for sure.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

All I'm saying is that will all this materialise by the end of this decade (2020).?

Some time due to level of secrecy things are done...once complete then they are told of.

 

[umairkhan4]

Spot on there. Don't tell me I am the only one embarrased about our cops. The only "fear" about them is the stupid "No Fear" labels stuck on their backside. I mean which idiot came up with that idea. I swear there is some joker in Pakistan fully employed to come up with most banal names like "Elite mother*** Police" the only elite thing about them is they are No. 1 as*holes.

Sloppy, lazy, overweight, singularly lacking in any prefessionalism and corrupt to boot. We need to raise new police force across the country, minimum height and build, not fat slobs or stick insects, men with some gravitas, some decent education and give them proper conditions of work including training, equipment and no offence buy them decent friggin uniforms. No infant game outfits.

I would reduce the army by 50,000 men and the money transferred into new upgraded police force. We also need lots of police armoured vehicles.



I was being charitable in case we have some Omani members. Trust me, you, I, and Save ghenda could do it ......

Edit: We don't need a massive army now that we have nuclear weapons.

first of all we do not need money to fix the police they are gonna be corrupt the only change being their wealth increased. we need a proper system under a responsible authority second of all nuclear power is just diplomatic at this time and age if we get into a war with india neither side will use nuclear weapons as it would wipe both countries of the map

 

[Super Falcon]

Buy them seprate helicopters few jets small sub seprate air defence and tanks and ifv marines itself small army within navy

 

[black-hawk_101]

Will these Pak Marines comes under Sindh Govt.?

 

[Zarvan]

Will these Pak Marines comes under Sindh Govt.?

No under Navy not any government

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Will these Pak Marines comes under Sindh Govt.?

Do you even think before posting....

 

[Signalian]

12,000 Marines is the strength of a full strength Infantry Division with :

Three Infantry brigades (8000 men),
AD Brigade(900-1000 men),
Artillery Brigade(900-1000 men,
Support Brigade (1000-1300 men) (Engineers, EME,Signals, S&T battalion etc)
Armour Regt (400 men)

However Pakistan Marines seem to be a Light Infantry Force, completely lacking heavy weapons of Armour, Arty etc. Though it does retain the AD role with Mistral shoulder based SAM but probably not more than a battalion strength of AD.

The only significant Military Ops role it seems to have is the defense of area of Sir Creek in south east edge of Pakistan,

The other roles are security and policing to which i am surprised because the Sindh Rangers are already providing security and policing in Sindh. The security of sensitive installations is a poor decision on the role of Marines. The Naval MP, Naval base security Forces (just like QRF of Army) and the naval sailors should be providing security to installations.
The Maritime security and Policing is the job of Pakistan Coast Guard.

Infact, just like GHQ has a paramilitary security force( the name slipped my mind, starts with D) on all gates, the Navy should also have its own paramilitary force.

There is much more potential in this infantry formation of Marines rather than being put on secondary duties. But when the Rangers instead of patrolling the borders are providing internal security in Sindh, what can be said about Marines in Sindh.

If the Pakistan Marines are formed into an effective fighting force with heavy weapons just like an Infantry division of Pakistan Army, then it can easily compliment the 5 Corps Ops in Sindh Region.

Considering the Army forces in the southern part of Pakistan:

5 Corps:

• 16th Infantry Division headquartered at Pano Aqil (Defense of Area from Ryk to Hyderabad)
• 18th Infantry Division headquartered at Hyderabad (Defense of Area from Hyderabad to Sir Creek)
• 25th Mechanized Division headquartered at Malir (Strike force of the South)
• 31st Mechanized Brigade headquartered at Malir (Strike force of the South)
• 2nd Armoured Brigade headquartered at Malir (Strike force of the South)

12 Corps:

• 33rd Infantry Division headquartered at Quetta (Can be switched to North East otherwise Reserve in Sindh)
• 41st Infantry Division headquartered at Quetta (Can be switched to North East otherwise Reserve in Sindh)
• Independent Infantry Brigade headquartered at Turbat (Reserve Force to counter IA Para/amphibious invasion)
• Independent Armoured Brigade headquartered at Khuzdar (compliment 5 Corps Armour Ops)
• Artillery Division headquarters at Pano Aqil (Compliment 16 ID/18 ID in defense of Sindh)

In case that Pakistan Marines are equipped with heavy weapons (APC, artillery etc), they can be used for many purposes:

1. Thwart an amphibious landing By Indian Navy along the Sindh coast line
2. Thwart a Para attack By Indian Nay/IAF along the Sindh coast line
3. Mount a company sized amphibious attack on east of Sir Creek to open a new sector to engage enemy
4. Protect the Southern Flank of the 5 Corps Drive into Indian Territory by proceeding eastwards of Sir Creek Area

This way PA Southern Forces can just concentrate on the Ops in Sindh and not keep forces engaged in defense of coast line from an amphibious attack.

If Pakistan Marines is made a divisional Command, then:

1 X Brigade for Ops in Sir Creek
1 X Brigade for defense of amphibious landing/ para attack ambitions of IA/IN in Karachi ports and naval bases.
1 X Brigade for strike Ops (counter amphibious landing east of sir creek OR protecting 5 Corps southern Flank).

In any case, Pakistan Marines should have an aviation contingent of atleast 6-8 transport helicopters.
They must also have one para-trained/air assault battalion to reach anywhere on the coast line within minutes through transport aircraft and helis.

 

[Zarvan]

12,000 Marines is the strength of a full strength Infantry Division with :

Three Infantry brigades (8000 men),
AD Brigade(900-1000 men),
Artillery Brigade(900-1000 men,
Support Brigade (1000-1300 men) (Engineers, EME,Signals, S&T battalion etc)
Armour Regt (400 men)

However Pakistan Marines seem to be a Light Infantry Force, completely lacking heavy weapons of Armour, Arty etc. Though it does retain the AD role with Mistral shoulder based SAM but probably not more than a battalion strength of AD.

The only significant Military Ops role it seems to have is the defense of area of Sir Creek in south east edge of Pakistan,

The other roles are security and policing to which i am surprised because the Sindh Rangers are already providing security and policing in Sindh. The security of sensitive installations is a poor decision on the role of Marines. The Naval MP, Naval base security Forces (just like QRF of Army) and the naval sailors should be providing security to installations.
The Maritime security and Policing is the job of Pakistan Coast Guard.

Infact, just like GHQ has a paramilitary security force( the name slipped my mind, starts with D) on all gates, the Navy should also have its own paramilitary force.

There is much more potential in this infantry formation of Marines rather than being put on secondary duties. But when the Rangers instead of patrolling the borders are providing internal security in Sindh, what can be said about Marines in Sindh.

If the Pakistan Marines are formed into an effective fighting force with heavy weapons just like an Infantry division of Pakistan Army, then it can easily compliment the 5 Corps Ops in Sindh Region.

Considering the Army forces in the southern part of Pakistan:

5 Corps:

• 16th Infantry Division headquartered at Pano Aqil (Defense of Area from Ryk to Hyderabad)
• 18th Infantry Division headquartered at Hyderabad (Defense of Area from Hyderabad to Sir Creek)
• 25th Mechanized Division headquartered at Malir (Strike force of the South)
• 31st Mechanized Brigade headquartered at Malir (Strike force of the South)
• 2nd Armoured Brigade headquartered at Malir (Strike force of the South)

12 Corps:

• 33rd Infantry Division headquartered at Quetta (Can be switched to North East otherwise Reserve in Sindh)
• 41st Infantry Division headquartered at Quetta (Can be switched to North East otherwise Reserve in Sindh)
• Independent Infantry Brigade headquartered at Turbat (Reserve Force to counter IA Para/amphibious invasion)
• Independent Armoured Brigade headquartered at Khuzdar (compliment 5 Corps Armour Ops)
• Artillery Division headquarters at Pano Aqil (Compliment 16 ID/18 ID in defense of Sindh)

In case that Pakistan Marines are equipped with heavy weapons (APC, artillery etc), they can be used for many purposes:

1. Thwart an amphibious landing By Indian Navy along the Sindh coast line
2. Thwart a Para attack By Indian Nay/IAF along the Sindh coast line
3. Mount a company sized amphibious attack on east of Sir Creek to open a new sector to engage enemy
4. Protect the Southern Flank of the 5 Corps Drive into Indian Territory by proceeding eastwards of Sir Creek Area

This way PA Southern Forces can just concentrate on the Ops in Sindh and not keep forces engaged in defense of coast line from an amphibious attack.

If Pakistan Marines is made a divisional Command, then:

1 X Brigade for Ops in Sir Creek
1 X Brigade for defense of amphibious landing/ para attack ambitions of IA/IN in Karachi ports and naval bases.
1 X Brigade for strike Ops (counter amphibious landing east of sir creek OR protecting 5 Corps southern Flank).

In any case, Pakistan Marines should have an aviation contingent of atleast 6-8 transport helicopters.
They must also have one para-trained/air assault battalion to reach anywhere on the coast line within minutes through transport aircraft and helis.

This 12000 force should have Tanks and IFV along with Artillery

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Sir if we are contemplating a triad to our nuclear deterrence capability than Nuclear weapons security inside naval installations will be needed and a challenge. The warheads will not be stored at the port facility but separately and further inland as is being done now for the shells, missiles and torps. -- PNAD Mauripur.

With the decision to fully commission Ormara and expand it to include submarine docking berths or pens, possible storage facilities will be doubled.

Securing the storage facility, and protecting the transportation/logistics train (and I don't mean the ones on the rail ), and handling dock will be a challenge.

Increase in the strength of the Marines that have been given the role of PN installation security will be logical way forward.

 

[Pak_Sher]

Pakistan needs to increase the Naval and Marine Forces to guard the 350 Nautical Mile EEZone. Conflict with India in Run of Kuch also will keep the Marines engaged.

 

[Signalian]

The training course of Pakistan marines :

1 Basic Marines Officer Course 26 Weeks
2 Boot Camp Training 31 Weeks
3 Basic Marines Course 11 Weeks
4 Advance Marines Professional Course 22 Weeks
5 Ldg Marine Qualifying Course 18 Weeks
6 Petty Officer Marines Qualifying Course 18 Weeks
7 Chief Petty Officer Marines Qualifying Course 12 Weeks
8 Marines Commando Course 26 Weeks
9 Hovercraft Operator Course 06 Weeks
10 Unarmed Combat Course 04 Weeks
11 Pakistan Naval Police Personnel Basic Trg18 Weeks
12 Marines Guard/VIP Escort Course 04 Weeks
13 Sailors Guard/VIP Escort Course 04 Weeks
14 Shore Based Air Defence Course 05 Week

The curriculum doesnt employ any heavy weapons training course.

 

[Yazp]

I think the marines will be used to protect Gawadar, and the coast form other marines.
Also,

For gods sake give these poor fellows a proper camouflage, something that is meant to hide you, not highlight you on the bloody beach. The guy who made this camouflage should be fired, and if one of our marines are killed because of being highlighted while wearing BLUE on a sandy beach, the guy should be executed for failing his job. , It will cost the lives of many of our marines if those in charge don't fix it.

Here's a crystalized camouflage pattern at 1/6th scale (i cropped this out since the original picture was way bigger)
I made using the color palette from a Beach in Balochistan.
I can bet you this will work 200% better than US woodlands with BRIGHT BLUE mixed in.

The HK416/7 and the HK 121 as MG should be adopted for the Marines, since it is one of the best platforms while doing wetwork, and at the same time is extremely resistant to sand, even more than the AK series, at least the chinese one Pakistan has.

 

[niaz]

12,000 Marines is the strength of a full strength Infantry Division with :

Three Infantry brigades (8000 men),
AD Brigade(900-1000 men),
Artillery Brigade(900-1000 men,
Support Brigade (1000-1300 men) (Engineers, EME,Signals, S&T battalion etc)
Armour Regt (400 men)

However Pakistan Marines seem to be a Light Infantry Force, completely lacking heavy weapons of Armour, Arty etc. Though it does retain the AD role with Mistral shoulder based SAM but probably not more than a battalion strength of AD.

The only significant Military Ops role it seems to have is the defense of area of Sir Creek in south east edge of Pakistan,

The other roles are security and policing to which i am surprised because the Sindh Rangers are already providing security and policing in Sindh. The security of sensitive installations is a poor decision on the role of Marines. The Naval MP, Naval base security Forces (just like QRF of Army) and the naval sailors should be providing security to installations.
The Maritime security and Policing is the job of Pakistan Coast Guard.

Infact, just like GHQ has a paramilitary security force( the name slipped my mind, starts with D) on all gates, the Navy should also have its own paramilitary force.

There is much more potential in this infantry formation of Marines rather than being put on secondary duties. But when the Rangers instead of patrolling the borders are providing internal security in Sindh, what can be said about Marines in Sindh.

If the Pakistan Marines are formed into an effective fighting force with heavy weapons just like an Infantry division of Pakistan Army, then it can easily compliment the 5 Corps Ops in Sindh Region.

Considering the Army forces in the southern part of Pakistan:

5 Corps:

• 16th Infantry Division headquartered at Pano Aqil (Defense of Area from Ryk to Hyderabad)
• 18th Infantry Division headquartered at Hyderabad (Defense of Area from Hyderabad to Sir Creek)
• 25th Mechanized Division headquartered at Malir (Strike force of the South)
• 31st Mechanized Brigade headquartered at Malir (Strike force of the South)
• 2nd Armoured Brigade headquartered at Malir (Strike force of the South)

12 Corps:

• 33rd Infantry Division headquartered at Quetta (Can be switched to North East otherwise Reserve in Sindh)
• 41st Infantry Division headquartered at Quetta (Can be switched to North East otherwise Reserve in Sindh)
• Independent Infantry Brigade headquartered at Turbat (Reserve Force to counter IA Para/amphibious invasion)
• Independent Armoured Brigade headquartered at Khuzdar (compliment 5 Corps Armour Ops)
• Artillery Division headquarters at Pano Aqil (Compliment 16 ID/18 ID in defense of Sindh)

In case that Pakistan Marines are equipped with heavy weapons (APC, artillery etc), they can be used for many purposes:

1. Thwart an amphibious landing By Indian Navy along the Sindh coast line
2. Thwart a Para attack By Indian Nay/IAF along the Sindh coast line
3. Mount a company sized amphibious attack on east of Sir Creek to open a new sector to engage enemy
4. Protect the Southern Flank of the 5 Corps Drive into Indian Territory by proceeding eastwards of Sir Creek Area

This way PA Southern Forces can just concentrate on the Ops in Sindh and not keep forces engaged in defense of coast line from an amphibious attack.

If Pakistan Marines is made a divisional Command, then:

1 X Brigade for Ops in Sir Creek
1 X Brigade for defense of amphibious landing/ para attack ambitions of IA/IN in Karachi ports and naval bases.
1 X Brigade for strike Ops (counter amphibious landing east of sir creek OR protecting 5 Corps southern Flank).

In any case, Pakistan Marines should have an aviation contingent of atleast 6-8 transport helicopters.
They must also have one para-trained/air assault battalion to reach anywhere on the coast line within minutes through transport aircraft and helis.

Honourable Sir,

Your post mentioned an infantry Div. having 3 Infantry Brigades plus an AD Brigade, an Artillery Brigade & a Support Brigade making 6 Brigades in total!

In my humble opinion, an Infantry Div. would only have AD Battalion, Artillery Battalion & a Support Battalion. It is the normally the Corps Artillery that is of Brigade strength. I am certain that an Artillery Brigade is at least 3,000 strong, the post mentions 900 -1000 men; surely this is Battalion/Regiment manpower not of a full Brigade.