Pakistan to install air defence system at Pak-Afghan border

[ajpirzada]

well looks like iranians have shown that when push comes to shove america huffs and puffs then they fold.

True. But lets not mix drones with helicopters or aircrafts. In the latter case, you are killing their soldiers as well.

anyways... everything aside, i would want them to shoot down anything which comes our way. You have to enforce the limits or else stop complainin if someone treats u lik a slave.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistani soliders must have shoulder missiles and also Air support for quick retaliation

 

[Luftwaffe]

First thing is that most people try to say always that america is big power and we cannot stand against them but you must know that they couldnot stand against taliban and they are leaving trying to leave in good way! In 1968 american was also a super power but you can know better what happened in veitnam, i dont say to be aggressive against america but atleast to be defensive against america is need of time! if they have sead squadrons than do you think paf will be a silent duck in all that ! come on! grow up

sir don't be in a hurry, they have targeted check posts 15 times, what have you people done, what is so different this time when you are installing AA/SAM/Radars, they have been taking out Air Defenses since 65, they are the innovators and masters at this, you want to Surprise you ally or enemy or any intruder you need to keep low profile and zip your mouths until they cross and enter. I would suggest you read about SEAD and how Air Defenses and the Aircraft plays cat & mouse games but you know here you have already announced told them that we are installing radars-AA-SAMs, pretty much they have an idea now comes satellites in motion high altitude recons they will scan those points. You could have simply told them that we'll have better effective communications on both sides so such a thing does not happen again meanwhile you would have Installed your Air Defense Systems and be prepared to make them Surprise but as usual we fkup better bad when you have drawing room officers-generals (I know a few not all of them are like that) this is what happens. In Bosnian War Serbs had hidden their Air Defenses extremely efficiently and secretly (never declare your assets first rule of thumb here you declared and even pinpoint their locations isn't that amazing).

Watch all 5 parts.

 

[no_koadsheding_plz]

never gona happen,,,

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pakistan cannot shoot on its own foot,, this statement is only public show,,

 

[somebozo]

good to see Pak army growing a new pair of testicles after the last one's we chopped by Musharraf and gifted to GW Bush!

 

[W.11]

ill wait till another drone attack

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I bet there is no such order... Drone strikes are executed with your consent, withdraw you consent and get them stopped.

The strikes might become infrequent, but they would not necessarily stop in the absence of Pakistan successfully arguing against their legality in an international forum like the UNSC.

HUMINT from the ISI/IB etc. is extremely valuable for target acquisition, but as the US has stated, they have been cultivating and building their own HUMINT assets in FATA, both through their activities in Pakistan, as well as through collaboration with the Afghan intelligence and security forces. The rest of the intel they need would be 'electronic' and aerial surveillance based.

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Is not the drones but what will follow when once one is shot down

The downing of a Pakistani aircraft and pilot over Pakistani airspace would not be justifiable internationally.

Drones get shot down all the time - nations don't start wars over them, and for the US to do so would be to set a precedent that it cannot legally justify. Before Pakistan does shoot down a drone, however, it must raise the issue on every possible international platform - ICJ, UNSC, UNGA, even if the measure gets show down due to US/allies Vetoes. The point is to publicize Pakistan's objections and highlight the inability of the US to legally justify its policies.


Then shoot down the drones.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@Mani dont forget we also have a crippling power shortage, a morally bankrupt government and a massive debt and add on top the radicalised population and sectarian mass murderers openly holding rallies after the courts release them with honour due to “lack of evidence”.

Indeed USA will leave and it might not be able to invade Pakistan at the level of say Iraq or Afghanistan but all it needs to do is launch some strikes on a handful of places where it will hurt us so much that all that we have achieved so far in our short time of existence will be lost and if that’s not enough it might return the favour by supplying Manpads to BLA and TTP. Put your hand on your heart and tell me, can you trust those guys to honour the peace talk with you who have beheaded our people in cold blood? Who have executed people on camera and desecrated their bodies? Do you think Mullah Fazlullah will say no to USA if he is given stingers and rocket launchers to take out our armoured vehicles and helicopters? Indeed peace talks are the way forward but Americans have spent 10 years here and have done us a lot of harm even without open hostilities by repeatedly attacking our peace meetings that had nothing to do with any war or confrontation.

My belief is much that is being said is for public consumption. Citing closure of shamsi base and closing NATO supplies is meaningless if the air corridor is still open. I am sure behind the scene discussions are still going on otherwise Pakistan would have declared the end of its active involvement in WoT.

Whatever the results, one thing is a must that we must let Afghans chose their fate and their future. We must close our borders and restrict the free access and make it just like any international boundary works. And request all Afghans that are residing in Pakistan to return to their country and contribute towards its peace , prosperity and stability. In addition to Haqqanis we need to extend out hand of friendship to the northern alliance as well. Not all of them are constipated retards. it’s a shame and a great loss that Burhan- uddin Rabbani has been assassinated, he was a larger than life figure and one that was equally respected among the Pashtons and nonPashtons. We would have ahd a chance with him but now whoever is willing to listen we need to tell them to sit down and accept each other and sort themselves out and we need to get out of this mess. And if Saudis want to continue with their proxy war with Iran then so be it but tell our Arab brothers to keep us out of it and stop funding our sectarian extremists.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I agree, the drone strikes have been part of the deal only the manned missions were not. I doubt such move is ever possible because these drones are operating in tribal areas. the best to shoot them down was when CIA committed a mass murder of 40 + tribals after RD was safely back in USA.

if it didnt happen then it wont happen now.

Domestically, yes, that was an opportune time, internationally, no it was not.

Those tribal elders would have been cast as 'Taliban sympathizers' by the US and Western media, and any military action Pakistan took would have been cast as 'support for terrorists in response to the killing of terrorists by the US'. As it is, the Western media is trying to distort events around the US murder of Pakistani troops by coming up with one lame excuse after another.

 

[somebozo]

Instead of shooting down the drones, we should look into arming some "non state elements" with cold war era MANPAD. And then blame it on Talibans...so PA can come out hands clean!

 

[Cheetah786]

Before that they made hundreds of sorties and bombed. That Mig incident was one in a thousand, incidental hit. Even some anti aircraft guns would have been done better than this.

US coppers has advanced counter measures against SAM systems. What about drones?


Thats a new technology.

What ever makes you sleep at night are u sure that was shoot down by Pakistan i thought it just ran out of gas after bombing us for days and our stones couldn't reach it.

 

[Peregrine]

Remember the ''We Killed OBL charade''.........If an RPG can take down an American Stealth heli, then, why can't these manpads be of any luck? The proponents of "Out of this world, American military tech" need to use their grey matter.

 

[Omar1984]

never gona happen,,,

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pakistan cannot shoot on its own foot,, this statement is only public show,,

Things are changing now. I dont think puppet Zardari is in power anymore:

Pakistan says U.S. drones in its air space will be shot down


ISLAMABAD -- Pakistan will shoot down any U.S. drone that intrudes its air space per new directives, a senior Pakistani official told NBC News on Saturday.

According to the new Pakistani defense policy, "Any object entering into our air space, including U.S. drones, will be treated as hostile and be shot down," a senior Pakistani military official told NBC News.

The policy change comes just weeks after a deadly NATO attack on Pakistani military checkpoints accidentally killed 24 Pakistani soldiers, prompting Pakistani officials to order all U.S. personnel out of a remote airfield in Pakistan.
Pakistan told the U.S. to vacate Shamsi Air Base by December 11.

A senior military official from Quetta, Pakistan, confirmed to NBC News on Saturday that the evacuation of the base, used for staging classified drone flights directed against militants, “will be completed tomorrow,” according to NBC’s Fakhar ur Rehman.
Pakistani Military Chief Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kayani had issued multiple directives since the Nov. 26 NATO attack, which included orders to shoot down U.S. drones, senior military officials confirmed to NBC News on Saturday.

It was unclear Saturday whether orders to fire upon incoming U.S. drones was part of the initial orders.

The Pakistani airbase had been used by U.S. forces, including the CIA, to stage elements of a clandestine U.S. counter-terrorism operation to attack militants linked to al-Qaida, the Taliban and Pakistan's home-grown Haqqani network, using unmanned drone aircraft armed with missiles.

President Barack Obama stepped up the drone campaign after he took office. U.S. officials say it has produced major successes in decimating the central leadership of al-Qaida and putting associated militant groups on the defensive.

Since 2004, U.S. drones have carried out more than 300 attacks inside Pakistan.

Pakistani authorities started threatening U.S. personnel with eviction from the Shamsi base in the wake of the raid last May in which U.S. commandos killed Osama bin Laden at his hide-out near Islamabad without notifying Pakistani officials in advance.
NBC News' Fakhar ur Rehman, msnbc.com's Sevil Omer and Reuters contributed to this report.



World News - Pakistan says U.S. drones in its air space will be shot down

 

[Saifullah Sani]

Pakistan says U.S. drones in its air space will be shot down​

ISLAMABAD -- Pakistan will shoot down any U.S. drone that intrudes its air space per new directives, a senior Pakistani official told NBC News on Saturday.
According to the new Pakistani defense policy, "Any object entering into our air space, including U.S. drones, will be treated as hostile and be shot down," a senior Pakistani military official told NBC News.

The policy change comes just weeks after a deadly NATO attack on Pakistani military checkpoints accidentally killed 24 Pakistani soldiers, prompting Pakistani officials to order all U.S. personnel out of a remote airfield in Pakistan.

Pakistan told the U.S. to vacate Shamsi Air Base by December 11.

A senior military official from Quetta, Pakistan, confirmed to NBC News on Saturday that the evacuation of the base, used for staging classified drone flights directed against militants, “will be completed tomorrow,” according to NBC’s Fakhar ur Rehman.

Pakistan's Frontier Corps security forces took control of the base Saturday evening after most U.S. military personnel left, Xinhua news agency reported. Civil aviation officials also moved in Saturday, Xinhua said.

Pakistani Military Chief Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kayani had issued multiple directives since the Nov. 26 NATO attack, which included orders to shoot down U.S. drones, senior military officials confirmed to NBC News on Saturday.

It was unclear Saturday whether orders to fire upon incoming U.S. drones was part of the initial orders.
The Pakistani airbase had been used by U.S. forces, including the CIA, to stage elements of a clandestine U.S. counter-terrorism operation to attack militants linked to al-Qaida, the Taliban and Pakistan's home-grown Haqqani network, using unmanned drone aircraft armed with missiles.

President Barack Obama stepped up the drone campaign after he took office. U.S. officials say it has produced major successes in decimating the central leadership of al-Qaida and putting associated militant groups on the defensive.

Since 2004, U.S. drones have carried out more than 300 attacks inside Pakistan.

Pakistani authorities started threatening U.S. personnel with eviction from the Shamsi base in the wake of the raid last May in which U.S. commandos killed Osama bin Laden at his hide-out near Islamabad without notifying Pakistani officials in advance.
World News - Pakistan says U.S. drones in its air space will be shot down

 

[FunkyPeace12]

Good about time equal terms are played. Its a chess game now..