Pakistan to Buy Two Mine hunters from Netherland

[Bossman]

TOT does not cover all aspects. For example, the major requirement for minesweeper is sensor which requires semiconductor. I don't think anyone has given TOT for semiconductor. Simialrly, fire controls, displays etc also need computers & hence semiconductors.

The TOT is limited and as long as Pakistan can't make semiconductors or other critical technology, it has to import

Neither can India. Nobody is talking about 100% TOT. We take what we can get, other stuff we purchase off the shelf. If nobody gives it to us, we steal it. That is why our projects are more successful than India’s. India wants to reinvent the wheel for all their projects hence they get failures like Arjun, Tejas, INSAS or Sitara trainer. The list is unending. India fails even with JVs and imported components.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Bro you were killing it in r/NoahGetTheBoat

Funny as hell

But ye felt good taking down that sub reddit. We hit and took down a few others as well I think?

We took down other smaller ones. But, Reddit has done multiple ban waves. Even the mod of r/chutyapa GenZia (Mard-e-Momin) got kicked off permanently. So the glory days of 2018 are long gone. Even my username on here is an ode to a very famous troll

 

[Tornado23]

We took down other smaller ones. But, Reddit has done multiple ban waves. Even the mod of r/chutyapa GenZia (Mard-e-Momin) got kicked off permanently. So the glory days of 2018 are long gone. Even my username on here is an ode to a very famous troll

Wow. Out of all the people he got banned?

Anyways ye chutyapa died along time ago. Plus there was too much Indian filth plaguing the site. It began to suck.

Also jus chillin...aaahhhh the weirdest person I have ever met

 

[alibaz]

Hmm we already have these from France they are named "Munsif" class in Pakistani use.

I believe both are same class, Munsif and Alkmaar are same class

 

[iLION12345_1]

India seeks to acquire technology and not just import outright so that it can manufacture all these items indigenously in the future instead of relying on imports forever. India can make most parts of a ship except MFSTAR AESA radar and diesel/turbine engine. India is almost on the edge of making its own AESA radar and engine too is being developed. So, unlike Pakistan, India will be able to be self sufficient in the future and stop imports whereas Pakistan will have to keep importing forever.

Firstly, you’re just outright wrong, india is the largest arms importer in the world, not a large indigenous manufacturer or exporter. ToT works exactly the same for India as it does for Pakistan. You don’t get any special treatment.

In fact, let’s take an example, the T90S tank, India doesn’t even have Full ToT for that despite it being the main tank of the Indian army. It’s reliant on Russia to provide even basic parts for it like the tracks and the barrels. So where is your full ToT and no import reliance? India couldn’t even get permission from Russia to upgrade those tanks on its own, which is why they’re getting outdated, unlike the Al-Khalid which has been upgraded with time because it’s a Pakistani tank.
In fact the RFI issued for the next Indian army tank says it’s gonna be a foreign tank. I thought India was self reliant and could make it’s own?

India tries to compare its industry with China, China built a super-carrier from scratch in 2 years. Where is that Indian carrier? 10 years on and it’s still not in service. Same story for the Tejas.

also Indigenous ≠ good as is shown by Indian tanks, planes, drones, helicopters, rifles…

The Tejas is less Made in India (50.5%) than the thunder is made in Pakistan last I checked, excluding design…
The Arjun is also less made in India than the Al-Khalid is made in Pakistan (over 80% at this point). And both the Indian projects predate the Pakistani ones by over 20 years and still aren’t at their full completion. Let’s take another example. Both India and Pakistan modernized their old tanks, Pakistan made the Al-Zarrar and india the Ajeya MK2. The Indian modernization uses entirely polish and Czech tech. Thermals, FCS, GCS etc. I thought india was self reliant?

Pakistan is also working on radars but unlike the Indians our industry tends not to brag about a project 30 years before it’s completion, indians have this habit of comparing current Pakistani stuff to their upcoming stuff, like Tejas MK-1A and Arjun MK-1A, years before they even service, and then they leave it hanging.
We only show it when it’s complete and it works, tell me when was the last time an Indian tank or jet was exported to another country? There are more Al-Khalids and JFs in foreign service than their are Tejas and arjuns in Indian service. (I know you will go looking for every excuse and bring up how they are joint projects, well let me tell you that the biggest defense producers only ever do joint projects because it gives a better outcome…F35, EF typhoon, FCAS…list goes on. Meanwhile india can’t even make a simple aircraft despite this much foreign help.)

Lastly, the difference between the Indian and Pakistani defense industries, though obviously present and strongly in India’s favor at the moment, is very minuscule compared to what it should be given India’s size and resources, that is not something to be proud of but something to worry about, but proud people like you keep it from getting better and hence it’s stuck, a blessing for Pakistan. India could be such a massive arms exporter and producer but it’s stuck in its cycle of corruption, pride and incompetency.

Give it 20 years, this little gap won’t exist, given the current trends, so please, come back when India makes something worthwhile, until then stop using every opportunity you can to be a nuisance.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Wow. Out of all the people he got banned?

Anyways ye chutyapa died along time ago. Plus there was too much Indian filth plaguing the site. It began to suck.

Also jus chillin...aaahhhh the weirdest person I have ever met

This is the only good Pakistani place left lol

 

[araz]

Entirely false once again, india has not entirely indigenized the T90, I don’t know where you get your information (Indian media?) but no country in the world has Full ToT for T90 because Russia does not allow it, especially for guns, tracks and a few other key components. India does not have the barrel metallurgy to make a real T90 gun. It’s doesn’t matter if india can make it’s own if they can’t be used and india is reliant on foreign tech, because that’s what you were calling out Pakistan for, now you’re finding excuses because you failed.

If only Low IQ people talk about Arjun than you’re the perfect person to talk about it.
It’s a stupid excuse that india doesn’t need Arjun, you’re using it to hide the fact that india failed to make a competent tank and is still reliant on foreign tanks. Your industry wasted billions of dollars and 50 years on it and now wants to abandon it because it ate up all the money.

Then you say T90 fills all of the IAs requirements but the same people will claim Arjun magically outdid the T90 in Trials and is made according to IA specifications.

FYI Indian T90S are hilariously outdated when compared to Pakistani Al-Khalid and VT4P tanks, because india didn’t get permission to upgrade a single thing on them From its “strategic partner” Russia. The RFI is another slap on your face because it shows IA doesn’t trust local industry to design a tank anymore.

Then you say Poland has no tech at all, it goes to show how self centered you are and how little knowledge you have of defense industries, failing to admit that india uses foreign tech. Well buddy the truth is that the entire Fire control system and thermals of the Ajeya are polish, and the entire gun control system is Czech. Go look it up. You keep saying “india will indigenize this and that” but hasn’t done jack so far.

then you use another stupid excuse as to why India doesnt export instead of simply seeing that you have no finished products of your own to export. You’re sitting in the usual Indian fantasy that Pakistan only assembles and doesn’t make, well keep dreaming. Pakistan makes more parts for the thunder and the Al Khalid than india does for either of its projects. You lot will
Always find an excuse.

india does not make T90 or SU30 indigenously at all. They key components are imported/ToT and neither machines have any Indian design input and don’t belong to india. Foreign reliant once again. The same thing you so desperately called out Pakistan for.
Your naval industry has some prowess but as usual you blind nationalists compare it to industries decades and decades ahead like France, US and China. What sort of fantasy are you living in? Where is that Indian carrier? Those three nations would have built 5 carriers of larger size in that same time. They’re not incompetent.

Indian industry is just one notch above Pakistan and falling behind despite having this much more money and resources, it’s not even near to China or the west unlike you want to believe.

Either way, until you do any sort of proper research, you’re not worth replying to anymore.
Just another typical biased nationalist that thinks India is glorious and the rest is just second grade trash.

Guys.
He is a troll. He will always bring rubbish to fill in Bandwidth and derail and destroy threads. Dont feed him. Leave him in his own vision of glory of the orange Dhoti.
@Smarana Mitra Please obey the rules of the forum and stick to discussion in relevant thread. This is not a thread about glorifying Indian research base. Anymore retarded/off topic posts and I will ensure you are shown the door.
Mods Please review this thread.
Regards

 

[aziqbal]

good move they are Dutch good engineering

 

[Super Falcon]

Minesweeprs should be invested but not heavily seems like pnusing brains now becoming a potent force

 

[Reichsmarschall]

We took down other smaller ones. But, Reddit has done multiple ban waves. Even the mod of r/chutyapa GenZia (Mard-e-Momin) got kicked off permanently. So the glory days of 2018 are long gone. Even my username on here is an ode to a very famous troll

Wow. Out of all the people he got banned?

Anyways ye chutyapa died along time ago. Plus there was too much Indian filth plaguing the site. It began to suck.

Also jus chillin...aaahhhh the weirdest person I have ever met

Hi, do you guys know how to get around IP ban?
Last week reddit temporarily banned me for 7 days for using P word on an indian, when i made a temp account to continue using reddit they permanently banned my main account ,temp account and 3 other accounts which i made later.

 

[Tornado23]

Hi, do you guys know how to get around IP ban?
Last week reddit temporarily banned me for 7 days for using P word on an indian, when i made a temp account to continue using reddit they permanently banned my main account ,temp account and 3 other accounts which i made later.

Jus chillin is the best person to talk to about it.

 

[Metal 0-1]

Of course not. Its not a tale the jedi would tell you.

Darth Reddit had such a knowledge of the Internet, that he could even save the ones he loved from dying... By spamming so much propaganda and controlling a hive mind.

He had an apprentice. An apprentice named r/India. He taught him everything he knew. Once his apprentice gained influence, he started to control the narrative. It got to the point where the hive mind was eventually breaking, due to the amount of propaganda being spread. It was easily identifiable.

Darth reddit banned several of his apprentices sub reddits. A reprimand as we say...

What happened you might ask?

His apprentice killed him... In his sleep.

He could save others from death... But not himself. Ironic.

From his masters death, he controlled the narrative of reddit and was free to rule. Everywhere you looked, you saw anti pak propaganda being upvoted

The voices that came out against this propaganda were crushed with force by the Indians and their... Sapporters wishing them phull support siiir. There were making so many anti pak sub reddits where they outright supported the balochistan terrorists, celebrating the deaths of the soldiers and citizens, outright calling for a genocide.

It was a dark time.... Until a band of ghazis arrived....

@TheDebSahab @jus_chillin

The amount of Pajeets Downvote brigades on r/MilitaryPorn

Now I make sure I make shitposts about indians on r/NonCredibleDefense

 

[Tornado23]

The amount of Pajeets Downvote brigades on r/MilitaryPorn

Now I make sure I make shitposts about indians on r/NonCredibleDefense

Their presence is why I left and the bullshit moderation

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Hi, do you guys know how to get around IP ban?
Last week reddit temporarily banned me for 7 days for using P word on an indian, when i made a temp account to continue using reddit they permanently banned my main account ,temp account and 3 other accounts which i made later.

U gotta create a new reddit account while using a VPN. Wait it out for a month and then switch over to your regular IP.

 

[Vapnope]

Firstly, you’re just outright wrong, india is the largest arms importer in the world, not a large indigenous manufacturer or exporter. ToT works exactly the same for India as it does for Pakistan. You don’t get any special treatment.

In fact, let’s take an example, the T90S tank, India doesn’t even have Full ToT for that despite it being the main tank of the Indian army. It’s reliant on Russia to provide even basic parts for it like the tracks and the barrels. So where is your full ToT and no import reliance? India couldn’t even get permission from Russia to upgrade those tanks on its own, which is why they’re getting outdated, unlike the Al-Khalid which has been upgraded with time because it’s a Pakistani tank.
In fact the RFI issued for the next Indian army tank says it’s gonna be a foreign tank. I thought India was self reliant and could make it’s own?

India tries to compare its industry with China, China built a super-carrier from scratch in 2 years. Where is that Indian carrier? 10 years on and it’s still not in service. Same story for the Tejas.

also Indigenous ≠ good as is shown by Indian tanks, planes, drones, helicopters, rifles…

The Tejas is less Made in India (50.5%) than the thunder is made in Pakistan last I checked, excluding design…
The Arjun is also less made in India than the Al-Khalid is made in Pakistan (over 80% at this point). And both the Indian projects predate the Pakistani ones by over 20 years and still aren’t at their full completion. Let’s take another example. Both India and Pakistan modernized their old tanks, Pakistan made the Al-Zarrar and india the Ajeya MK2. The Indian modernization uses entirely polish and Czech tech. Thermals, FCS, GCS etc. I thought india was self reliant?

Pakistan is also working on radars but unlike the Indians our industry tends not to brag about a project 30 years before it’s completion, indians have this habit of comparing current Pakistani stuff to their upcoming stuff, like Tejas MK-1A and Arjun MK-1A, years before they even service, and then they leave it hanging.
We only show it when it’s complete and it works, tell me when was the last time an Indian tank or jet was exported to another country? There are more Al-Khalids and JFs in foreign service than their are Tejas and arjuns in Indian service. (I know you will go looking for every excuse and bring up how they are joint projects, well let me tell you that the biggest defense producers only ever do joint projects because it gives a better outcome…F35, EF typhoon, FCAS…list goes on. Meanwhile india can’t even make a simple aircraft despite this much foreign help.)

Lastly, the difference between the Indian and Pakistani defense industries, though obviously present and strongly in India’s favor at the moment, is very minuscule compared to what it should be given India’s size and resources, that is not something to be proud of but something to worry about, but proud people like you keep it from getting better and hence it’s stuck, a blessing for Pakistan. India could be such a massive arms exporter and producer but it’s stuck in its cycle of corruption, pride and incompetency.

Give it 20 years, this little gap won’t exist, given the current trends, so please, come back when India makes something worthwhile, until then stop using every opportunity you can to be a nuisance.

Dude !
You are not suppose to massacre people out in the open like that...