Pakistan to Begin Financial Negotiations for Turkish T129 Helicopter Purchase

[CHI RULES]

Do Turk even need any replacement right now? they will replace F-4 with F-35. F-16 will serve for a decade atleast until TFX come out.

offcourse, relevant Minister know more then us, but his offer seems illogical.

If current Islamic based regime continues to govern Turkey, honestly the chances of actual handing over of F35 to them shall be narrow.

 

[Trango Towers]

If current Islamic based regime continues to govern Turkey, honestly the chances of actual handing over of F35 to them shall be narrow.

Looooool. Turkey is a key investor and holds the West by the balls due to its location. If turkey leaves NATO which it will if NATO ducks it about imagine how Russia will want to close the gap. All secrets with it. Turkey is not some small fish. It has no debt and lends to imf where as America is amazingly in debt

 

[Hassan Guy]

Pak needs to integrate its defence industry with Turkey like those eu countries

 

[Max]

If current Islamic based regime continues to govern Turkey, honestly the chances of actual handing over of F35 to them shall be narrow.

i dont think it will ever happen. Turkey will always be in US camp.

 

[cloud4000]

If current Islamic based regime continues to govern Turkey, honestly the chances of actual handing over of F35 to them shall be narrow.

Turkey doesn't have an issue with the West, it's Erdogan who has an issue with the West. Military relations between Turkey and US are excellent and will continue to be excellent regardless of Erdogan. Long as Turkey is a member of NATO, it will get the F-35. Things would have to go really badly -- and quickly -- for Turkey not to get the F-35.

If turkey leaves NATO. It has almost all the tech except engine tech for fighter aircraft and tanks. We have nuclear and missile tech. Between us we don't need anyone else. Just have to study engine design. Inshallah not in too distance future that will happen. Then two fingers to the west. They only beat up and abuse nations that can't hit back.

You mention engine tech like it's nothing. It's a critical piece. Not even China has perfected engine design yet, so how long will it take Turkey to perfect it, especially if strongly relies on the West to supply it? Not to mention so much of Turkey weapon systems are from the West. The dependency will be there for long a time even if Turkey decides to replace it with its own systems or get it from non-Western sources.

Looooool. Turkey is a key investor and holds the West by the balls due to its location. If turkey leaves NATO which it will if NATO ducks it about imagine how Russia will want to close the gap. All secrets with it. Turkey is not some small fish. It has no debt and lends to imf where as America is amazingly in debt

Turkey doesn't hold the West by the balls. Turkey does have external debt, about $430 billion, in fact. And you are just dreaming here.

 

[Trango Towers]

Turkey doesn't have an issue with the West, it's Erdogan who has an issue with the West. Military relations between Turkey and US are excellent and will continue to be excellent regardless of Erdogan. Long as Turkey is a member of NATO, it will get the F-35. Things would have to go really badly -- and quickly -- for Turkey not to get the F-35.



You mention engine tech like it's nothing. It's a critical piece. Not even China has perfected engine design yet, so how long will it take Turkey to perfect it, especially if strongly relies on the West to supply it? Not to mention so much of Turkey weapon systems are from the West. The dependency will be there for long a time even if Turkey decides to replace it with its own systems or get it from non-Western sources.



Turkey doesn't hold the West by the balls. Turkey does have external debt, about $430 billion, in fact. And you are just dreaming here.

I think you need to update yourself. I might be dreaming but you seem asleep


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...mph-masks-surge-in-private-debt-turkey-credit

https://www.google.com.pk/amp/m.yen...mong-11-countries-cleared-of-imf-debt-2466274

Regarding engine design....I know China's troubles. But turkey is developing many things itself and the engine for atlay will be made at home also the 5gen aircraft engine will be produced with UK assistance. Turkey isn't asleep.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

If turkey leaves NATO. It has almost all the tech except engine tech for fighter aircraft and tanks. We have nuclear and missile tech. Between us we don't need anyone else. Just have to study engine design. Inshallah not in too distance future that will happen. Then two fingers to the west. They only beat up and abuse nations that can't hit back.

And, you've China - the world's factory - intertwined with your geography.....

Turkey doesn't have an issue with the West, it's Erdogan who has an issue with the West. Military relations between Turkey and US are excellent and will continue to be excellent regardless of Erdogan. Long as Turkey is a member of NATO, it will get the F-35. Things would have to go really badly -- and quickly -- for Turkey not to get the F-35.



You mention engine tech like it's nothing. It's a critical piece. Not even China has perfected engine design yet, so how long will it take Turkey to perfect it, especially if strongly relies on the West to supply it? Not to mention so much of Turkey weapon systems are from the West. The dependency will be there for long a time even if Turkey decides to replace it with its own systems or get it from non-Western sources.



Turkey doesn't hold the West by the balls. Turkey does have external debt, about $430 billion, in fact. And you are just dreaming here.

With 70 cents in the treasury the Turkish forces liberated the Turiksh Cypriot folks through amphibious assault against the Greeks - the grand fathers of the Western Civilization!!!! Even while the Empire was being lost one third of the male population was sacrificed!!! Even the Israreli PM - the defacto leader of the world - was given a "shut up" live on TV!! Even when the entire Western world was awaiting the "happy" news - courtesy of expenses paid by the KSA/UAE - Reis boarded and landed in Istanbul amid fully armed F16s lurking around!!! The Turkish folks won't wait for 1,000 years to sit on a negating table for freedom!!! Even 100 years is too much unbearable for them!!!! Feathers of some birds are too colorful to be caged....

 

[cloud4000]

I think you need to update yourself. I might be dreaming but you seem asleep


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...mph-masks-surge-in-private-debt-turkey-credit

https://www.google.com.pk/amp/m.yen...mong-11-countries-cleared-of-imf-debt-2466274

This is what you wrote:

Looooool. Turkey is a key investor and holds the West by the balls due to its location. If turkey leaves NATO which it will if NATO ducks it about imagine how Russia will want to close the gap. All secrets with it. Turkey is not some small fish. It has no debt and lends to imf where as America is amazingly in debt

You didn't differentiate between external debt and IMF debt. Turkey has the former, but not the latter, hence my comment.

 

[cabatli_53]

You mention engine tech like it's nothing. It's a critical piece. Not even China has perfected engine design yet, so how long will it take Turkey to perfect it, especially if strongly relies on the West to supply it? Not to mention so much of Turkey weapon systems are from the West. The dependency will be there for long a time even if Turkey decides to replace it with its own systems or get it from non-Western sources.

Engine tech is one of the most difficult part of the aerial systems which is an essential heart of all to make some differences on performance to surpass the rivals. Turkey, as being a part of many engine consortium from civilian and military helicopter/fighter projects, has designed many sections, developed many components and produced many of the most vital sections of foreign engines including F-35 engines with huge investments and working even as second supplier of the biggest engine manufacturer institutes on some sections so The experience and gained manufacturing technologies have been awarded with addition R&D and design skills to develop our own variants. That's what make Turkish industry to look the future of engine technology brighter than others.

For exm. TEI-TS-1400 turboshaft engine (1400hp) will power up Atak-2 attack and T-625 utility helicopter; core section of same engine's Turboprop variant will power up 4,5ton Akinci UAV and Hurkuş trainer. According to TEI, The base tech developed for turboshaft will house the future national turbofan engines to be developed for TF-X.

For Drone Turbo-diesel engines, 170 and 240hp variants (TEI-PD-170 and TEI-PD-240) are being developed with superior performance parameters than German equivalent.

For Turbo-fan engines of TF-X, One of the RR or GE engine will be chosen and The Manufacturing/Repairing activities are going to be done in Turkey in an institute to be established with selected institute. TEI as main supplier of turbofan engine in Turkey, The national turbofan engine roadway will be revealed with paralel investments to make TF-X engines fully domestic step by step in years.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Waiting for them to Fly over Islamabad with Pakistani Flag on it

Local Assembly Manufacturing of Parts Locally for sure Army would get them Navy will buy it as well as Airforce

Self Reliance

 

[TOPGUN]

I wonder when we get them what color scheme will they be in same as the current cobras ?

 

[Signalian]

Hopefully, it'll be like a barter trade - ATAK & MILGEM vs MUSHAK & JF

We buy ATAKs, they buy Mushaks and Thunders. It might be a win win.

I doubt TuAF needs JF-17.

 

[kingQamaR]

We need to get these Turkish choppers urgently now . Enough with these endless negotiations . Turkey are more than willing to help us here . this ongoing saga reminds Me of how India does business Deals .

Regarding supposedly deals JF17 well do it separately . Not to effect this deal in its time wasting .

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

They just might we never know. JF17 is a versatile jet and can be customized by the customer. Lets see what happens.

I doubt TuAF needs JF-17.

 

[Sugarcane]

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Why Turkey will buy JF-17? They are already working on their own fighter