Pakistan - The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization.

[Narashima]

My dear let me tell you without wikipedia.

• Oldest civilization in South Central Asia was Mehrgarh, which is also in Pakistan. It was a stone age civilization.
• Oldest bronze age civilization in South and Central Asia was IVC which again was in Pakistan. The Indus river is NOT in India, its in Pakistan. Its capitals, Harappa, Mohenjo Daro, Taxila and some unexplored sites are in Pakistan NOT in India.
  
  
• Parts of Gujarat state of India were part of IVC, but they were satellite colonies. The majority of IVC people were from the Indus river delta where most of the trade and agriculture took place.
  
  
• People of IVC or our ancestors were NOT Indic people. They migrated from Central Asia as nomadic people to the Indus delta BEFORE the stone age civilization period.

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"whatever feed your agenda" but indus valley civilization is spread throughout the northern india including pakistan. Pakistan owns some major ruins but they can't claim the civilization.

 

[danger007]

Manas: History and Politics, Indus Valley

 

[Established_1965]

It belongs to dead people who died a long time ago

 

[Kompromat]

"whatever feed your agenda" but indus valley civilization is spread throughout the northern india including pakistan. Pakistan owns some major ruins but they can't claim the civilization.

No one needs your stamp of approval kiddo. We are the heirs to the IVC while you and others like you are just islamophobic bigots who think that they can claim OUR cultural heritage. If someone is to buy that absurd argument then they also would have to rid Egyptians, Iraqis and Iranians of their ancient heritage because they decided to give up an outdated way of life.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

No one is contesting the finding of Dwarka city, but the main known ancient civilizations happened to have embraced Islam when it was introduced. I did not mention Hinduism at all I just pointed to that fact. So, why are you bringing up Hinduism, that might have started in the Hindus valley and got into mainland India through the expansion of the civilization and the proximity of other groups of people.
The Koran speaks about so many prophets before Islam and their main and common attribute was their rightfulness and belief in one God, some might have been in the area of the Indus valley or even deeper in India.

lol , which main civilisation you are taking about?

well before 12,000 years back 2.5 $ people fought Great war of Mahabharata ... even before then hindu existed .....

can you mention the population of civilisation ? Can you tell me your oldest mention of prophet? which year?

No one needs your stamp of approval kiddo. We are the heirs to the IVC while you and others like you are just islamophobic bigots who think that they can claim OUR cultural heritage. If someone is to buy that absurd argument then they also would have to rid Egyptians, Iraqis and Iranians of their ancient heritage because they decided to give up an outdated way of life.

lol, the land you called pak is yours , was Indian land which was given to muslims which came from far away long time back to captured it........ you can claim land on what basis? read history n your existence and where you came from .

 

[Narashima]

It belongs to dead people who died a long time ago

yes but there is continuation of indus valley culture in india while pakistan has adopted superior arab culture ask @Horus

No one needs your stamp of approval kiddo. We are the heirs to the IVC while you and others like you are just islamophobic bigots who think that they can claim OUR cultural heritage. If someone is to buy that absurd argument then they also would have to rid Egyptians, Iraqis and Iranians of their ancient heritage because they decided to give up an outdated way of life.

no one is denying that they own the ancient ruins.

 

[Kompromat]

lol, the land you residing was Indian land which was given to muslims which came from far away ....... you can claim on what basis?

We didn't COME from anywhere. We are the indigenous people of this land NOT you. We gave up an outdated way of life which didn't serve our social mobility or aspirations, doesn't mean you have the right to claim our cultural heritage or we have broken from it somehow.

yes but there is continuation of indus valley culture in india while pakistan has adopted superior arab culture ask @Horus no one is denying that they own the ancient ruins.

And someone has to be utterly stupid to say that they are not the descendents of Egyptian, Babylonian and Persian civilizations. Hinduism died in our lands because it failed to distribute equity among our people. Just for you information the people of IVC were NOT Hindus, they had another form of paganism similar to Buddhism. The statues found in IVC were of Buddha not of deities from Hindu mythology.

 

[Narashima]

And someone has to be utterly stupid to say that they are not the descendents of Egyptian, Babylonian and Persian civilizations. Hinduism died in our lands because it failed to distribute equity among our people. Just for you information the people of IVC were NOT Hindus, they had another form of paganism similar to Buddhism. The statues found in IVC were of Buddha not of deities from Hindu mythology.

dude you need to learn some history we are here talking about indus valley culture not the budhism which evolved later and most of the indus valley sites are in india, pakistan only hold some major ruins.

 

[Kompromat]

dude you need to learn some history we are here talking about indus valley culture not the budhism which evolved later and most of the indus valley sites are in india, pakistan only hold some major ruins.

No, we are talking about who does the IVC belong to. Its us not you -

 

[Narashima]

No, we are talking about who does the IVC belong to. Its us not you -

but how are you gonna prove this when most of the sites are in india?

 

[Raul_AD]

People claiming OUR heritage tell us that WE have an identity crisis.



You Indians suffer from identity crisis not us. You are the one STEALING our heritage to convince yourselves of your 'historic relevance'. Then comes the stupid argument that Pakistanis are Muslims therefore don't originate from IVC, well Egyptians, Iraqis and Iranians too are Muslims...does it mean that they are not the true heirs of the Egyptian, Babylonian and Persian civilizations?

You claim IVC is yours ok. Now shall we analyse??? Why dose the IVC disappeared?? And where does the Culture of IVC vanished???

Fact : The culture which you are claiming as IVC is in TRUTH is SARASWATI VALLEY CIVILIZATION. The most of the Archaeological sites of your IVC are between Dry Bed of Saraswati (Ghaggar) and Indus valley. Very less sights are on western side of Indus.
Here is the map of the Archaeological sites of your IVC

Now the question is why there is sudden disappearance of this mighty civilization???? Saraswati river was a monsoon river supported by tributaries as Satlej & Yamuna. Around 4000BC yes 4000BC i.e. 6000 years back, DUE TO CLIMATE CHANGE the Satlej and Yamuna changed their course and the main stream of Saraswati River being monsoon driven dried due to lack of monsoon rain.

Now the question arises where do the people vanished after the drying of Saraswati River????

At the time of Saraswati River they were living in large Cities, but after drying of river they cannot sustain the Huge Cities.

So they started to migrate towards other rivers in the prevailing land and towards eastwards i.e. towards GANGES and its tributaries. Still it was not same as it was like Saraswati River. So they have to break in to small groups and settle as Villages. Hence in Ganges we find the culture of Villages not great cities because at that time it was not sustainable.

The "Holy Vadas" in detail recorded drying of river Saraswati.

All in all the Indians on the Banks of Ganges are the true descendants of Saraswati River Valley Civilization.

And Pakistani also are having same ancestry but what is the difference?????


DIFFERENCE IS THE "KNOWLEDABLE POPLE" WITH "KNOWLEDGE" MIGRATED TOWARDS EAST i.e. GANGA. AND POOR PEOPLE WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE REMAINED NEAR INDUS.

YES PAKISTANIES ARE DESCENDANT OF SO-CALLED IVC AND ALSO CARRY "SKELETON" OF "DEAD IVC" BUT THE CULTURE STILL SURVIVES AND TRHIVES IN INDIA.

 

[Ayush]

we have had a shared culture up to 1947..

 

[ShahidT]

And someone has to be utterly stupid to say that they are not the descendents of Egyptian, Babylonian and Persian civilizations. Hinduism died in our lands because it failed to distribute equity among our people. Just for you information the people of IVC were NOT Hindus, they had another form of paganism similar to Buddhism. The statues found in IVC were of Buddha not of deities from Hindu mythology.

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really? i thought the language script, seals, idols, ethnicity of ivc people are still undeciphered. only a few lean to elamo-dravidian origins, but nothing concrete. i need to read up about this latest find, never knew they recovered buddha statues from ivc sites.

r u sure they aren't from a later period? (looks graeco-bactrian style) bcuz i thought buddha was born nearly a thousand years after demise of cemetery h culture (last phase of ivc)? maybe there were prophesizers amongst the ivc people, à la brown nostradamus that could foretell appearance of new religion in the future interesting.

as for topic, once again indians need to realize changing religion doesn't take away our roots. no one can stop you calling it shared heritage or whatever, but when you try to deny us being sons of the soil and owning the civilizations therein, then you are nothing but a grade A moron / hindutva bigot.

 

[vayuu1]

Yes we are Muslims and proud of it yes our forefathers were hindus than we got the light of Islam and converted to the best way of life that is Islam and are proud Muslims even many Indians are descendant of invaders but majority are local people

I am sorry to say this but it has more to do with forced conversation rather than light of Islam.

 

[INDIC]

We didn't COME from anywhere. We are the indigenous people of this land NOT you. We gave up an outdated way of life which didn't serve our social mobility or aspirations, doesn't mean you have the right to claim our cultural heritage or we have broken from it somehow.



And someone has to be utterly stupid to say that they are not the descendents of Egyptian, Babylonian and Persian civilizations. Hinduism died in our lands because it failed to distribute equity among our people. Just for you information the people of IVC were NOT Hindus, they had another form of paganism similar to Buddhism. The statues found in IVC were of Buddha not of deities from Hindu mythology.

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Punjab was 45% Hindu-Sikh majority and Sindh was 25% Hindu majority in 1947 after 1000 years of Muslim rule, its very bizarre to claim that Hinduism died out of your land.

People claiming OUR heritage tell us that WE have an identity crisis.



You Indians suffer from identity crisis not us. You are the one STEALING our heritage to convince yourselves of your 'historic relevance'. Then comes the stupid argument that Pakistanis are Muslims therefore don't originate from IVC, well Egyptians, Iraqis and Iranians too are Muslims...does it mean that they are not the true heirs of the Egyptian, Babylonian and Persian civilizations?

Lots of Greek sites are in Western Turkey like remains of Troy, Ionia, Eastern Thrace(Constantinople), their ancient heritage is still regarded as Greek not the Turk, same with IVC as everything East of Indus is historically is the part of Indian civilization. BTW there is enough proof that the settlements expanded into Gangetic plains after the drying of Ghaggar-Hakra(Rigvedic Saraswati) in 1900BC.

No doubt Pakistan: Origins of Indus Valley Civilization early roots and expansion into Afghanistan originating from Pakistan, truly belonging to Pakistan Indus Valley Civilization :

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This is a crude map of Indus Valley civilization, This is the real last time of Indus valley civilization showing expansion of settlement eastward towards the Gangetic plains.