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Pakistan Tells U.S. To Leave 'Drone' Attack Base

Lets take a situation where in pakistan army finds a USA heli intruding in to your airspace...do you honestly think that your army at this given point of time will shoot down or make a forcible landing of the USA heli??

Who's shooting it down, according to international treaties we are obliged to escort the intruding aircraft to a nearby airbase, if they retaliate or ignore the transmits then it is an act of war and they are liable to be shot down. We do it all according to the book.
 
A young country like UAE forced canadians to leave an airbase. Let us see what a big expereinced pakistan will do.
 
So if US relocates the drone operations to say Afghanistan, then in this case, if the drones cross the border and enter Pakistan, will it be shot down or will the matter be taken up "internationaly"?
 
So if US relocates the drone operations to say Afghanistan, then in this case, if the drones cross the border and enter Pakistan, will it be shot down or will the matter be taken up "internationaly"?

Well if the Drones attack are happening with approval from Pak establishment then it hardly makes a difference if they get air-borne within or outside Pak, no??? In the same token if it is happening without the consent then it is breach irrespective of the location...
 
If Pakistan Denies U.S. Its Drone Bases, There’s a Backup Plan Next Door | Danger Room | Wired.com

Pakistan may be kicking the CIA out of its premiere base for the drone war. Or it may not — who can tell with the Pakistanis anymore? What’s for certain is that all their griping strengthens the U.S. resolve to keep bases in neighboring Afghanistan to launch drones into Pakistan unilaterally.

In the spirit of their pique with the United States after the SEALs’ unilateral Osama bin Laden kill, the Pakistanis are loudly declaring the United States is cut off from its most prominent drone launching pad. “No U.S. flights are taking place from Shamsi any longer,” says Pakistani Defense Minister Chaudhary Ahmed Mukhtar.

He’s referring to the Shamsi air base near Quetta. Shortly after Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California) blabbed that the Pakistanis hosted CIA drones in 2009, eagle-eyed sleuths ID’d Shamsi as an epicenter of the drone war using GoogleEarth.

But losing Shamsi is no great shakes — if it’s even happening, and not just a cynical Pakistani sop to anti-Americanism. (“News to the United States,” a U.S. counterterrorism official says to McClatchy.)

For one thing, if Mukhtar’s for real, Defense Tech’s John Rood notes that the United States is rumored to fly drones out of two other Pakistani air bases. More fundamentally, the CIA already flies drones into the Pakistani tribal areas from Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan. And Air Force drones hovering above Afghanistan, launched from J’bad and Kandahar in the south, chase fleeing insurgents into Pakistan with regularity — they just have to give the Pakistanis a heads-up.

The harsh truth is that the Pakistanis can’t stop the drone war on their soil. But they can shift its launching points over the Afghan border. And the United States is already working on a backup plan for a long-term drone war, all without the Pakistanis’ help.

The Obama team’s new counterterrorism strategy should remove all doubt about the centrality of drones to a long-term fight against al-Qaida. That’s one of the main reasons it’s quietly negotiating with the Afghan government to keep a few residual bases jointly with Afghan troops after most U.S. forces leave.

A senior Obama aide explicitly told Danger Room last week that the intent is to host a “counterterrorism capability … a strike capability” on the bases “to ensure that there’s not that reemergence of a safe haven threat to us.”

In other words: If the Pakistanis want to let the United States use their bases, great. If not, no big deal.

Former U.S. officials stationed in Afghanistan over the past few months have speculated to Danger Room about the bases the United States is likeliest to maintain for a counterterrorism war across the border. Most frequently mentioned: the huge airfields of Bagram and Kandahar, which already host drones. (These include the RQ-170 “Beast of Kandahar” spy drone used in the bin Laden raid.) Jalalabad, already a CIA drone epicenter, is another base the United States will likely want to retain.

Pushing the drone war’s origins a little bit westward isn’t without risk. Afghan President Hamid Karzai is hardly less mercurial than his Pakistani counterparts. But the senior Obama aide tells Danger Room that Karzai isn’t stupid — an incognito U.S. military presence doesn’t just help blast terrorists with Hellfire missiles, it keeps him alive and in power, too.

The big question is whether those bases will be a dealbreaker in peace talks with the Taliban.

It’s ironic. The more the Pakistanis deny U.S. air bases to protest unilateral strikes on its territory, the more they’ll wind up with … unilateral strikes on their territory. Maybe the Pakistanis won’t be so quick to declare Shamsi a U.S. no-fly zone.
 
Well if the Drones attack are happening with approval from Pak establishment then it hardly makes a difference if they get air-borne within or outside Pak, no??? In the same token if it is happening without the consent then it is breach irrespective of the location...

Giving Shelters to terrorist is also is not in good faith, who cares for breach.
 
WASHINGTON / LAHORE: Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Dr Firdous Ashiq Awan on Thursday said news of Pakistan demanding the United States exit Shamsi Airbase was bogus and had been created by the media, Express News reported.
Speaking to the media in Lahore, Awan said that she was a member of the Defence Committee and nothing of this sort was discussed during the meeting.
Earlier this week, Pakistani Defense Minister Ahmed Mukhtar told the Financial Times that Pakistan had already stopped US drone operations there.
The minister also told a group of journalists in Islamabad that it was time to review anti-terror cooperation with the US.
“We have told them [US officials] to leave the airbase,” APP quoted Mukhtar as saying.
On Thursday, Mukhtar told Reuters: “When they (US forces) will not operate from there, no drone attacks will be carried out.” He said Islamabad had been pressuring the US to vacate the base even before the May 2 commando raid in which US Navy SEAL commandos killed Osama bin Laden. After the raid, Mukhtar said, “We told them again.”
Reuters reported the United States had rejected demands from Pakistani officials that American personnel abandon the military base used by the CIA to stage drone strikes against suspected militants.
US personnel have not left the remote Pakistani military installation known as Shamsi Air Base and there is no plan for them to do so, said a US official familiar with the matter, who asked for anonymity to discuss sensitive material.
“That base is neither vacated nor being vacated,” the official said.
The information was confirmed by a second US official. The US declaration that drone operations in Pakistan will continue unabated is the latest twist in a fraught relationship between security authorities in Washington and Islamabad, which has been under increasing strain for months.:cheesy:

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Reports of Pakistan demanding US exit Shamsi airbase bogus: Firdous – The Express Tribune
 
Giving Shelters to terrorist is also is not in good faith, who cares for breach.
That's pure subjective discussion..My terrorist your hero and vice versa....These are the same folks whom US was in bed with during late 80's, no??? Anyways as said irrespective of where it fly's from it is a breach if happening without Pakistan consent...
 
Can army be blamed for allowing drone strikes during their tenure?Can army be blamed for handing over shamsi airbase to Americans?

Yes, back then. But now it is Parliament that is in charge, and therefore it is the elected representatives that bear the responsibility and have to make the decision on what to do.
 
Remember the Berlin Airlift? This is not something new to the U.S. military which has the capacity, will, and resources to resupply a base in the middle of nowhere. Same thing in any previous wars. WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam, Gulf War 1, etc.
The US is not at war with Pakistan.

You can't cross Pakistan without Pakistan's consent, and no one is going to buy a US excuse of 'We shot down Pakistani aircraft inside Pakistan, because Pakistan did not want us to use a Pakistani airbase on Pakistani territory'.
 
Who's shooting it down, according to international treaties we are obliged to escort the intruding aircraft to a nearby airbase, if they retaliate or ignore the transmits then it is an act of war and they are liable to be shot down. We do it all according to the book.

Yup that would the right way...however i am afraid this may not happen...It is pure speculation on my part but i think had Pak the capability(not militarily) to do it they would have done it way back...
 
The US is not at war with Pakistan.You can't cross Pakistan without Pakistan's consent, and no one is going to buy a US excuse of 'We shot down Pakistani aircraft inside Pakistan, because Pakistan did not want us to use a Pakistani airbase on Pakistani territory'.
You are right about it...interesting would be what PAF going to do if they find a US air-craft breaching the Air space and not following the instructions...
 
You are right about it...interesting would be what PAF going to do if they find a US air-craft breaching the Air space and not following the instructions...

Frankly speaking nothing much would happen. They would scramble the fighters after the US Aircraft has left the airspace and lodge a 'protest' which will be forgotten in a day's time. Pretty much, thats it.
 
Frankly speaking nothing much would happen. They would scramble the fighters after the US Aircraft has left the airspace and lodge a 'protest' which will be forgotten in a day's time. Pretty much, thats it.

For an isolated, single, secret incursion, certainly - but here we are talking about multiple ongoing sorties transferring fuel, supplies and equipment to the airbase for it to remain functional.

Can't really use the Abbottabad raid excuse here.
 
Frankly speaking nothing much would happen. They would scramble the fighters after the US Aircraft has left the airspace and lodge a 'protest' which will be forgotten in a day's time. Pretty much, thats it.

You got that right, But given the way Pakistan military cover her tracks, I really doubt, if they will ever bring it to the notice of general public that ''American jets violated our airspace & all we did was diddly-squat''.
 

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