Pakistan supports China on border tensions with India

[Foxtrot Delta]

there would be no surprise if they both attack siachin and ladakh togrther as a combined front

 

[ARMalik]

Pakistan supports China on border tensions with India
Islamabad blames New Delhi's activities in disputed region for 'bloody clash' with China
Aamir Latif |17.06.2020

KARACHI, Pakistan

Pakistan on Wednesday threw its weight behind longtime ally Beijing on India-China face-off in the Ladakh area of disputed Jammu and Kashmir.

"China tried its best to resolve the [border] issue amicably, and through talks. But India did not take it with the same spirit, and continued constructions in the disputed region, which led to a bloody clash," Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said in a statement.

A total of 20 Indian soldiers died on Tuesday as a result of border clashes with Chinese troops in Ladakh of the disputed Jammu and Kashmir region -- the first deadly clash between the two border forces since 1975.

The incident also added to the growing criticism over the foreign policy of India's nationalist Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who is already under fire for rising border tensions with neighboring Nepal, and displeasure of Bangladesh over controversial Citizenship Law.

"This is an extraordinary situation, which has been seen in the form of a bloody clash after several decades. This clearly is the result of India's Hindutva ideology," Qureshi asserted.

Supporting Beijing's "principled" stand on the border dispute with India, he said: "The 3,500-kilometer [2,174-mile] border of Ladakh and Tibet is a disputed region. If India thinks it can devour this area, then perhaps, it would not be acceptable to China."

Border tensions between the two countries have existed for over seven decades.

China claims territory in India's northeast, while New Delhi accuses Beijing of occupying its territory in the Aksai Chin plateau in the Himalayas, including part of the Ladakh region.

"Whenever India follows this [Hindutva] ideology, and shows this (kind of) stubbornness, situation in the region will deteriorate," he added.

Referring to India's scrapping of the decades-long special status of the disputed Jammu and Kashmir valley last August, the foreign minister noted that China and Pakistan had rejected New Delhi's controversial move, but "India, instead of showing a moderate approach, is toeing the policy of extremism."

Accusing New Delhi of "continuously" rejecting Islamabad's talks offer, Qureshi said: "Pakistan is a peace-loving country. But if India thinks Pakistan can be cowed down by its aggressive approach, (then) it will be a misunderstanding."

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/pakistan-supports-china-on-border-tensions-with-india/1879965

The statement should have been MUCH STRONGER in favour of China, and there should have been more criticism of Indian Fraudsters.

 

[PeaceGen]

Pakistan supports China on border tensions with India
Islamabad blames New Delhi's activities in disputed region for 'bloody clash' with China
Aamir Latif |17.06.2020

KARACHI, Pakistan

Pakistan on Wednesday threw its weight behind longtime ally Beijing on India-China face-off in the Ladakh area of disputed Jammu and Kashmir.

"China tried its best to resolve the [border] issue amicably, and through talks. But India did not take it with the same spirit, and continued constructions in the disputed region, which led to a bloody clash," Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said in a statement.

A total of 20 Indian soldiers died on Tuesday as a result of border clashes with Chinese troops in Ladakh of the disputed Jammu and Kashmir region -- the first deadly clash between the two border forces since 1975.

The incident also added to the growing criticism over the foreign policy of India's nationalist Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who is already under fire for rising border tensions with neighboring Nepal, and displeasure of Bangladesh over controversial Citizenship Law.

"This is an extraordinary situation, which has been seen in the form of a bloody clash after several decades. This clearly is the result of India's Hindutva ideology," Qureshi asserted.

Supporting Beijing's "principled" stand on the border dispute with India, he said: "The 3,500-kilometer [2,174-mile] border of Ladakh and Tibet is a disputed region. If India thinks it can devour this area, then perhaps, it would not be acceptable to China."

Border tensions between the two countries have existed for over seven decades.

China claims territory in India's northeast, while New Delhi accuses Beijing of occupying its territory in the Aksai Chin plateau in the Himalayas, including part of the Ladakh region.

"Whenever India follows this [Hindutva] ideology, and shows this (kind of) stubbornness, situation in the region will deteriorate," he added.

Referring to India's scrapping of the decades-long special status of the disputed Jammu and Kashmir valley last August, the foreign minister noted that China and Pakistan had rejected New Delhi's controversial move, but "India, instead of showing a moderate approach, is toeing the policy of extremism."

Accusing New Delhi of "continuously" rejecting Islamabad's talks offer, Qureshi said: "Pakistan is a peace-loving country. But if India thinks Pakistan can be cowed down by its aggressive approach, (then) it will be a misunderstanding."

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/pakistan-supports-china-on-border-tensions-with-india/1879965

Kashmiris should be given the right to meaningful referendums and elections, and from there determine their own fate either as a small nation, or as a subordinate to a larger neighboring nation, or even as seperate tiny states that align themselves each with a larger neighbor of their choice.

population growth can also not be prevented, at least not in all political systems, so i find the Indian decision to keep building in Kashmir a reasonable one. forced deportation should not be considered a realistic option, because it splits up families and causes other suffering such as trying to build up a new life in a foreign region.

Kashmiris should not be led to believe that they can dominate their neighbors, they will have to be kept to a standard of political and diplomatic civility. But since the neighboring countries will be in control of much of Kashmirs economy, that will not be a problem. It does NOT have to get solved with the periodic use of military force.

The first phase of improvements for Kashmir will be for the neighboring countries to all allow Kashmiris the right to meaningful referendums. The second will be the formation of some form of government or national council for the Kashmiri citizens' interests (such as housing, food, jobs, unemployment security, medical security, etc), which upon formation would also enter into agreements with all surrounding governments.
Going to a completion of the second phase could easily take 50 to 100 years, but with sincere effort on all sides it can be achieved in about 20 years i think.

Good luck, all.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Thank you Pakistan for the support. This detesting India is really asking for a 2 front war. China and Pakistan shall fulfill Indian wish.

i am pretty sure they already begging China for forgivness.

 

[PeaceGen]

Thank you Pakistan for the support. This detesting India is really asking for a 2 front war. China and Pakistan shall fulfill Indian wish.

Pakistan gave you some public support. Big deal.

They did not sign up to become your lackeys in your war of words with India, though.

Boy how i've had it with Chinese arrogance. Arrogance like you display here for instance, mr Beast.

What type of fucking bullshit is this? China has ceded more land to us than we have to them. Wait and let me find you a good source.

Give this a read moron before spouting garbage like that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/path%3D%252Fr%252Fpakistan%252Fcomments%252Fgevp8n%252F

given the ease with which it is, and was, to build aircraft and tanks and other equipment that moves through a mountain landscape in a fast manner, i'm gonna have to declare the entire kashmir dispute a bullshit dispute that is causing a lot of suffering.

 

[Tameem]

Kashmir's 1947 borders are displayed correctly on this map below?

Is Trans-Karakoram Tract shown in these maps a part of former Kashmir state? My second question why is that Pakistani PDFers exclude the Aksai region with this Trans-Karakoram Tract from the Keshmir issue , because they see these regions as separate geographic areas or because of mostly unpopulated areas? If you give link of a few articles about official Pakistani thesis on this, it would be very useful for people like me which are trying to understand countries' positions..

As a matter of fact. it's just compromise for the "time being"... nothing concrete.
If We makes graves of two super powers USSR & USA in our backyards (with a smiling face ofcourse)it is not difficult to have another one. Time will tells, we know exactly our long term interests and goals and God willing we will get that one day... no doubt about it. When we say "we will eat grass but but pursue our independence"... we means it.

 

[Max]

Just words.

We are practical since 1947 hence you have to deploy majority of your forces against 7 times smaller Pakistan instead of equal China, which indirectly help China slice up bharat piece by piece whenever China desire.

What more help we can do? do you want us to deploy PA on LAC as well?

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

pakistan has compromised so much in love for china, it has handed over gwadar to china, already handed over parts of GB to china in 1962, laid off claim on aksai chin. If china acquires ladakh, probably pakistan would let go of its claim in ladakh as well.

regards

or maybe we can swap territories and make new chicken necks..

In 1963 Pakistan and China had a border agreement on karakoram range to streamline demarcation.
Pakistan actually got 50 km area more in return.Its bound to become a treaty after settlement of kashmir issue.
Furthermore Shaksgam valley is a frontier with no IB demarcation which means legally Pakistan can access it anytime with no prior permission..Giving it to China has other dynamics and that involves giving leeway to China as a player in the Siachin war theater.It has grave consequences for India in the long run.
So you dont really have the whole picture.

 

[drumstick]

Check out the comments, your brothers are crying that Uncle Sam ain't coming.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...upport-for-new-delhi/articleshow/76430061.cms

Master you say? Hey, the US is God to the sanghis hahahaha.

dear waz, so naive, you think four quotes on a news website is what entire nation wants? with the same logic all pakistanis are like this what they do on pdf? (for the sake of language i wont explain... otherwise it will be too expletive)

and on the same topic, US presidents comes to India and have such a mega events that pakistan can never imagine. (this is true for all head of states)

 

[waz]

dear waz, so naive, you think four quotes on a news website is what entire nation wants? with the same logic all pakistanis are like this what they do on pdf? (for the sake of language i wont explain... otherwise it will be too expletive)

and on the same topic, US presidents comes to India and have such a mega events that pakistan can never imagine. (this is true for all head of states)
last i remember not even a cricket team is coming to pakistan?

Thank you for the response.
There's many on there, not just four. I can list website after website full of Indian comments about the impending US/Indo alliance, and how disappointed they are now.
Yes US presidents have come to India, great events which they have enjoyed, but what did it/they deliver? Just a statement on how they will help a "negotiation". Here's a reality check they don't care, never have.
Were you one of those who believed in this?
'Naive' indeed......
I'm not sure why you bought up cricket.

 

[drumstick]

Thank you for the response.
There's many on there, not just four. I can list website after website full of Indian comments about the impending US/Indo alliance, and how disappointed they are now.
Yes US presidents have come to India, great events which they have enjoyed, but what did it/they deliver? Just a statement on how they will help a "negotiation". Here's a reality check they don't care, never have.
Were you one of those who believed in this?
'Naive' indeed......
I'm not sure why you bought up cricket.

i know where you coming from, and there are some MP's here who were running around just to shake hands with Bill Clinton... so i know what you are saying.
sometimes media makes it bigger event than it actually is. there were events with Shinzo Abe (on the banks of river Ganga) and France precedent Macron went largely unnoticed. Even the xi jinping meeting in Mallapuram did not got enough coverage....Trump is the poster boy right now .. hahaha.
but the comments on new sites are nothing to be taken seriously.

these head of state visits benefits in longer run, the bilateral agreements that were signed must be followed on by the bureaucrats.... India is getting better in this.
there are few real benefits of these visits ....

apologies for bringing cricket in between... that was uncalled for... i deleted that comment from my post.

 

[waz]

i know where you coming from, and there are some MP's here who were running around just to shake hands with Bill Clinton... so i know what you are saying.
sometimes media makes it bigger event than it actually is. there were events with Shinzo Abe (on the banks of river Ganga) and France precedent Macron went largely unnoticed. Even the xi jinping meeting in Mallapuram did not got enough coverage....Trump is the poster boy right now .. hahaha.
but the comments on new sites are nothing to be taken seriously.

these head of state visits benefits in longer run, the bilateral agreements that were signed must be followed on by the bureaucrats.... India is getting better in this.
there are few real benefits of these visits ....

apologies for bringing cricket in between... that was uncalled for... i deleted that comment from my post.

That's fine.
The posts only relate to those who thought like that, or still do.

 

[dBSPL]

Giving it to China has other dynamics and that involves giving leeway to China as a player in the Siachin war theater.It has grave consequences for India in the long run.
So you dont really have the whole picture.

Im trying to understand; Pakistan gained political and military support by giving these strategic passages to China? So, What progress has been made in the Kashmir problem for about 55-60 years in related with this "gift"?

And again, When I do research on these topics on the internet, mostly see things about the Indian thesis. Please don't get it wrong, but I think we have a problem about explaining Pakistan theses enough to the world. It is almost impossible to find something without PDF.

 

[beijingwalker]

Im trying to understand; Pakistan gained political and military support by giving these strategic passages to China? So, What progress has been made in the Kashmir problem for about 55-60 years in related with this "gift"?

And again, When I do research on these topics on the internet, mostly see things about the Indian thesis. Please don't get it wrong, but I think we have a problem about explaining Pakistan theses enough to the world. It is almost impossible to find something without PDF.

China used to have some historical claim over Hunza Valley and later China relinquished the claim, many in Chinese social media say that was because China wanted to maintain a good relationship with Pakistan.

Hunza (princely state)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunza_(princely_state)

Hunza ruler acceded the valley to Pakistan, not India, so if India took over Kashmir, China , as the former suzerain state , will at least take Hunza valley if not more, India can never get the whole Kashmir.

中巴边界条约具有临时性质，第六条规定：双方同意，在巴基斯坦和印度关于克什米尔的争议获得解决以后，有关的主权当局将就本协定第二条所述的边界，同中国政府重新进行谈判，以签订一个正式的边界条约来代替本协定，该主权当局如系巴基斯坦，则在中国和巴基斯坦将签订的正式边界条约中，应该保持本协定和上述议定书中的规定。因此也不排除如果将来巴国失势，印度要控制克什米尔的时候，中国会利用这条公路出兵克什米尔，占领部分地区后再和印度重新划界。

The treaty on China's border with Kashmir is tentative, the clause 6 stipuates if the part of Kashmir which borders China always belongs to Pakistan, China will remain bounded by this treaty and won't seek change of the border, but if the ownership of the land and the border changed, China will no longer recognize the treaty and the border needs to be redrawn.

Basically it means that if Pakistan lost its part of Kashmir to India, the border treaty will automatically become invalid and China will demand her part of Kashmir.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Pakistan gave you some public support. Big deal.

They did not sign up to become your lackeys in your war of words with India, though.

Boy how i've had it with Chinese arrogance. Arrogance like you display here for instance, mr Beast.



given the ease with which it is, and was, to build aircraft and tanks and other equipment that moves through a mountain landscape in a fast manner, i'm gonna have to declare the entire kashmir dispute a bullshit dispute that is causing a lot of suffering.

We Pakistani and Chines stand with each other lets say we just supporting with words atleast we doing that whos standing with you..not even Nepal cuz you have been treating people like everyone is third class and you are super natural.
If you are not still realize that whats reality soon you will find out cuz no one truely like you and your unnatural union is about to dismantle.