That doesn't change the fact Pakistan had control over Afghanistan for certain period of time until USA's invasion in Afghanistan.
Pakistan did not have direct control over Afghanistan. It did support what is it thought was a friendlier government though (the Taliban). That didn't accomplish much.
The moment Pakistan lost the influences over Afghanistan, that was the moment TTP was born to destabilize the economy of Pakistan through proxy wars.
Afghanistan has always been underdeveloped, but under Pakistan's influence, Pakistan enjoyed stability for certain period of time until Pakistan lost the influence.
You seem to be missing the point. It was this allegedly pro-Pakistan Taliban government that allowed its country to become infested with terrorists and militants that later formed groups like the TTP that are now harming Pakistan.
Pakistan hasn't been active in Afghanistan lately ever since USA's invasion in Afghanistan.
That's quite a foolish thing to say. Everyone knows Pakistan is involved in Afghanistan. News agencies and just about everyone on this website agrees. I'm not sure what world you're living in.
India is more active in Afghanistan as acknowledged even by USA. Not to mention, the direct confession from Afghan intels allegedly cooperation with India agency never mind the official confession from Ajit Doval as in-charge of Indian NSA.
I didn't say that India isn't involved in Afghanistan. Only that Pakistan is far more involved. India is more involved with the government of Afghanistan. But since it is so ineffective anyway, I'm not sure how much that accomplishes.
Again, Pakistan is expanding Zarb-e-Azb all the way to Afghanistan to regain the influence and take care of the origin of terrorism or better yet, safe haven for terrorists. That still doesn't end funding part unfortunately.
Zarb-e-Azb is an operation based almost entirely in Pakistan. Yes, there have been some cross-border strikes and shelling, but that does not mean that Pakistan is somehow expanding into most of Afghanistan. To suggest so is ludicrous. Nothing of the sort has happened thus far. The US would never allow it. Read any newspaper or report.
My opinion cannot be worthless because it is based on the reality in accordance to intel generation war. That is what is happening at this moment. Opposition party wasn't take care off for no reason nor India is stupid enough to invest all the way in Bangladesh to leave empty vacuum for outsiders to cash on.
You seem to be missing the point. Whether or not Bangladesh has some value to India, it does not hold much value to Pakistan, given that it is nearly 1000 miles away.
Afghan Taliban was the result of USA-Pakistan that effectively resisted USSR in Afghanistan. It was created mainly at the absent of Afghanistan army, therefore, USA and Pakistan did whatever they could to make do with Afghan Taliban to resist USSR. And it worked.
Correct.
And it still worked in 90s where Pakistan influence reigned in certain period of time where Pakistan as nation enjoyed the stability of the economy. The moment Pakistan lost the influence, that was the moment TTP was born with the funding and collaboration from Afghan intels and RAW to be sent undermining the stability of Pakistan.
Incorrect. As I have explained to you before, the Taliban regime that came to power in the 1990s created a safe haven for terrorists and militant groups. This is well documented, look up any credible source (Al-Qaeda is a great example). It also imposed harsh, conservative social policies, restricting the rights of women, and helped brainwash the populace with their backwards views. These two things led to the creation of groups like the TTP.
Afghan Taliban and TTP are not the same. USA is fighting against Afghan Taliban and Pakistan is fighting against TTP. USA care less about TTP whereas Pakistan main threat is TTP. Hence, TTP is free to do whatever it likes in Afghanistan despite the presence of USA army.
I'm well aware that they are not the same. However, the TTP is not "free to do whatever they like", as you claim. That is a false, childish view of the situation. The US (and the Afghan army) is fighting the Taliban, but they have not succeeded in defeating them. The same logic applies to the TTP. The US considers them a terrorist group and has killed some of its members. But, just as with the Taliban, it has not defeated the organization as a whole.
Spoken like a man with lack of foresight. I wished India had your attitude, therefore Pakistan wouldn't be dealing with TTP.
Afghan Taliban is the result of Pakistan-USA that effectively resisted USSR and broke USSR apart. Then Pakistan was able to control Afghanistan through Afghan Taliban through the certain period of time until USA's invasion in Afghanistan that changed the fate of Pakistan as well.
That was the moment Pakistan lost the influence, hence to this day Pakistan is fighting against terrorism. Because the empty vacuum is filled by India who saw the opportunity and cashed on the big time. India is not stupid to sit back and let Pakistan gains the influence back after USA has announced to leave in the last year.
You don't get it. Pakistan did not "control" Afghanistan at any point, this is not a movie we are discussing here. To suggest that Afghanistan was under the "control" of Pakistan is like something out of a video game. That's not how things work. Pakistan only actively supported the Taliban's rise to power.
The Taliban governed the country on its own, and did a terrible job, leading to many headaches for Pakistan. And don't think that the Taliban likes Pakistan, because it doesn't. It is very high on the idea of Pashtun unity, and has been creating problems in FATA and KPK for quite some time now, among other things.
If you cannot understand the long term plan of India in regards to Afghanistan
I have already said that Pakistan should continue to be involved in Afghanistan, given that it is our neighbor. However, I also said that Afghanistan is a borderline failed state that is very fractured, and that its government has little power. Therefore, there is little that India will accomplish there.
i doubt i can make you understand the benefits of Bangladesh for Pakistan which India fears to this day hence working overtime to ensure their influences remain intact.
I doubt you can make anyone understand Bangladesh's great value to
Pakistan. But you can go ahead and try. I'm still waiting...
Afghanistan will always blame Pakistan. They are nut, barbaric; hence perfect receipt for India. But the stability of Pakistan lies with Afghanistan. About time you quit giving up on Afghanistan because Pakistan army hasn't. There is the reason why Pakistan army has invested more than 500 billion rupees because it is about the long term plan which can be critical improvement for the survival of Pakistan as well. And that is why India has gotten involved to derail that.
I never said we should "give up" on Afghanistan---at least not in the sense that you seem to be applying. Please re-read my posts. What I said was that we should do everything to protect ourselves from that disaster and establish closer ties only if it manages to get its act together. We already trying very hard to be its friend, but it is such a disastrous country, it isn't working.
Like Kashmir, Balochistan, Gilgit Baltistan; Afghanistan is equally important for Pakistan as well. And so is Bangladesh. It all boils down to one reason only; the stability. Given where Pakistan is geographically and strategically located, they are important for Pakistan
Obviously, every part of Pakistan is important to it. To say so is redundant.
Afghanistan too is important from a security perspective because it borders us. Bangladesh is not.
in the long term plans which also means Greater Pakistan as well. Do i really need to explain the meaning of Greater Pakistan as well?
Perhaps you do. Because if you mean what I think you do, I strongly recommend spending less time dreaming and more time in the real world. Note that Afghans (Pashtuns and Tajiks alike) hate Pakistan and believe that KPK and FATA are theirs, despite the views of those who live in those provinces.
If you don't mind me saying, i think you lack foresight given your sudden to dismiss the certain factor as pointless whereas it is goldmine for the neighbors.
No my friend, I am afraid that it is
your lack of foresight that is a goldmine for other rival countries. We should be mindful of our neighbors, but we should not be obsessed with them. Especially poor basket-cases. Nor is it good to be obsessed with India beyond Kashmir.
We need to look to the whole world and develop ourselves and improve our image globally, instead of being focused on nonsense. China is trying to get Pakistan to do that right now with CPEC. Hopefully, we will make full use of this opportunity and not get side-tracked by less important things. It is thinking like yours that has helped to hold Pakistan back.
Bangladesh is still important asset for Pakistan to this day despite the long distance calculated by thousand miles.
And i don't think i can explain to you why Bangladesh is still important for Pakistan for the same reason Kashmir, Balochistan, Afghanistan and Gilgit Baltistan for Pakistan.
Maybe you can't explain it because it's just not true. In any case, I'm still dying to hear your detailed explanation...
There mere fact that you suggest it is nearly as important as the provinces of Pakistan itself is downright offensive to the people who live there.
Nevertheless, given the projected scenario lies ahead of Bangladesh, it is imperative that Pakistan is there to cash on when required. Therefore, it is important to make sure Pakistan maintains diplomatic relationship with Bangladesh as nation if not the government.
Cash in on what exactly? Bangladesh has little to offer.
The government doesn't last long but the public do.
A public that is obsessed with 1971 and Pakistan in a negative way. A public that blames "racist Punjabis" for their own treachery (and that despite their own racism). A public that treats Biharis living in camps like dirt, even after their Supreme Court declared most of them to be Bangladeshi citizens (all while refusing to take back their illegal immigrants living in Pakistan). A public that maligns our military, and demands an "apology" for its role in 1971. A public where many people prefer India to Pakistan, and some of whom simply hate both countries.
So you're right, the government may change, but the people never will.
