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Pakistan signs deal with Sri Lanka to sell Initial order of 8 JF-17s

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For all the PDF Indians hyper ventilating by overestimating themselves in terms of ability and influence this is how the real world works contrary to what you may see you country portrayed in Bollywood drama's

Small strategic countries will play it's cards for their own best interests, As you can see even with the whole hoopla in both Indian media and certain Indian commentators about the new SL govt being " pro" India, The facts on the ground are different.. Like i mentioned before if the think tanks (Not insignificant PDF Indians) think that Sri Lanka will over ride it's interests regarding either SinoLanka relationship or LankaPak relationship over India, They are making a huge error of judgement

Mark my words both the Harbour City and the JF 17 deal will go through despite histrionics in Delhi against both

Ceylon Today | Indo-SL tension over JF17 Pakistan deal

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Sri Lankan Government is facing mounting pressure from its powerful neighbour India over a defence deal Sri Lanka is to enter into with Pakistan. According to highly placed sources in the diplomatic circles, India has expressed its strong opposition to a deal the SL Government entered into with the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) to purchase 10 JF-17 combat aircraft.


The deal was entered into apparently when former Air Force Commander Jayalath Weerakkody was serving as the Sri Lankan High Commissioner in Pakistan.
It is a lightweight, single-engine, multi-role combat aircraft developed jointly by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) of China. The JF-17 can be used for aerial reconnaissance, ground attack and aircraft interception. Its designation 'JF-17' by Pakistan is short for 'Joint Fighter-17'


The JF-17 was primarily developed to meet the PAF's requirement for an affordable, modern, multi-role combat aircraft as a replacement for its large fleet of Dassault Mirage III/5 fighters, Nanchang A-5 bombers, and Chengdu F-7 interceptors, with a cost of US$ 500 million, divided equally between China and Pakistan. The aircraft was also intended to have export potential as a cost-effective and competitive alternative to more expensive Western fighters. The development of this aircraft was headed by Yang Wei (aircraft designer), who is considered China's 'ace designer'. Wei also designed the Chengdu J-20.


By 1989, because of economic sanctions by the US, Pakistan had abandoned Project Sabre II, a design study involving US aircraft manufacturer Grumman and China, and had decided to redesign and upgrade the Chengdu F-7. In the same year, China and Grumman started a new design study to develop the Super 7, another redesigned Chengdu F-7. Grumman left the project when sanctions were placed on China following the political fallout from the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests. After Grumman left the Chengdu Super 7 project, the Fighter China project was launched in 1991. In 1995, Pakistan and China signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) for joint design and development of a new fighter and over the next few years worked out the project details. In June 1995, Mikoyan had joined the project to provide 'design support', this also involved the secondment of several engineers by CAC. (Source-Wikipedia)


According to sources, Indian National Security Adviser Ajit Doval had personally expressed India's concerns on the deal to President Maithripala Sirisena and Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe.

Doval who telephoned both President Sirisena and Prime Minister Wickremesinghe had told them outright that New Delhi is against the deal.


He warned that Sri Lanka will have to face serious repercussions if Sri Lanka was to seal the deal with Pakistan.

Sri Lanka on the other hand had offered to purchase three naval ships from India. This, however, was not favoured by India and New Delhi was firm on its stance.

To give in, Sri Lankan Defence Ministry had asked for 10 JF-17 aircraft or a similar craft. India came up with a counter deal where it offered a credit line to SL Government to purchase combat aircraft. The condition is that the government could buy the aircraft from any country other than Pakistan.


Pakistan, as things developed, renewed their offer by stating they would give 10 F-7 combat craft free, if we are going for an outright purchase. Pakistan also plans to announce the deal during Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Shariff's imminent visit to Colombo in January 2016.

However, India - Pakistan relationship will reach a breaking point with Sri Lanka's final decision on the aircraft deal.

Meanwhile, the government seems to have thought of maximizing this situation, as it indicated giving the nod to the Colombo Port City Project.


The EIA was finalized and the investor published the 1,000-page report. However, contrary to normal procedure of making the report available on line for the public to give their views and comments on the project, the Chinese investor had opted to a different path.

Accordingly, those who want to comment on the EIA report will have to buy the report and write their comments manually and hand it over again.


India which was completely against the China Port City project, meanwhile, has loosened its grip on the matter and said they have no issue if the government and the Chinese company agree to certain amendments including the land ownership.

However, this much reluctant approval comes with a condition of Sri Lanka dropping the aircraft deal with Pakistan.
 
Not surprising at all. SL is one of the proxies Indians use to acquire stuff that they don't want to publicly buy themselves. And then they re-engineer the heck out of it and share the spoils with the proxy. Pakistan knows this well by now so I doubt if they will sell such advanced technology

So U want to acquire JF-17 through Sri Lanka and re-engineer it? You have just caused the designers of LCA multiple heart attacks.

I doubt if they will sell such advanced technology
Someone is accepting the JF-17 to be as it actually is.
 
"According to sources, Indian National Security Adviser Ajit Doval had personally expressed India's concerns on the deal to President Maithripala Sirisena and Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe."
What is your source ? dont say wiki. I dont think India has so much irritation as you are mentioning against srilanka buys JF 17.
If you think so Give me atleast one reason for so. @Gibbs
 
For all the PDF Indians hyper ventilating by overestimating themselves in terms of ability and influence this is how the real world works contrary to what you may see you country portrayed in Bollywood drama's

Small strategic countries will play it's cards for their own best interests, As you can see even with the whole hoopla in both Indian media and certain Indian commentators about the new SL govt being " pro" India, The facts on the ground are different.. Like i mentioned before if the think tanks (Not insignificant PDF Indians) think that Sri Lanka will over ride it's interests regarding either SinoLanka relationship or LankaPak relationship over India, They are making a huge error of judgement

Mark my words both the Harbour City and the JF 17 deal will go through despite histrionics in Delhi against both

Ceylon Today | Indo-SL tension over JF17 Pakistan deal

111485_pakistanairforcepakistanjf-17thunderramirez-1-2222.jpg


Sri Lankan Government is facing mounting pressure from its powerful neighbour India over a defence deal Sri Lanka is to enter into with Pakistan. According to highly placed sources in the diplomatic circles, India has expressed its strong opposition to a deal the SL Government entered into with the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) to purchase 10 JF-17 combat aircraft.


The deal was entered into apparently when former Air Force Commander Jayalath Weerakkody was serving as the Sri Lankan High Commissioner in Pakistan.
It is a lightweight, single-engine, multi-role combat aircraft developed jointly by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) of China. The JF-17 can be used for aerial reconnaissance, ground attack and aircraft interception. Its designation 'JF-17' by Pakistan is short for 'Joint Fighter-17'


The JF-17 was primarily developed to meet the PAF's requirement for an affordable, modern, multi-role combat aircraft as a replacement for its large fleet of Dassault Mirage III/5 fighters, Nanchang A-5 bombers, and Chengdu F-7 interceptors, with a cost of US$ 500 million, divided equally between China and Pakistan. The aircraft was also intended to have export potential as a cost-effective and competitive alternative to more expensive Western fighters. The development of this aircraft was headed by Yang Wei (aircraft designer), who is considered China's 'ace designer'. Wei also designed the Chengdu J-20.


By 1989, because of economic sanctions by the US, Pakistan had abandoned Project Sabre II, a design study involving US aircraft manufacturer Grumman and China, and had decided to redesign and upgrade the Chengdu F-7. In the same year, China and Grumman started a new design study to develop the Super 7, another redesigned Chengdu F-7. Grumman left the project when sanctions were placed on China following the political fallout from the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests. After Grumman left the Chengdu Super 7 project, the Fighter China project was launched in 1991. In 1995, Pakistan and China signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) for joint design and development of a new fighter and over the next few years worked out the project details. In June 1995, Mikoyan had joined the project to provide 'design support', this also involved the secondment of several engineers by CAC. (Source-Wikipedia)


According to sources, Indian National Security Adviser Ajit Doval had personally expressed India's concerns on the deal to President Maithripala Sirisena and Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe.

Doval who telephoned both President Sirisena and Prime Minister Wickremesinghe had told them outright that New Delhi is against the deal.


He warned that Sri Lanka will have to face serious repercussions if Sri Lanka was to seal the deal with Pakistan.

Sri Lanka on the other hand had offered to purchase three naval ships from India. This, however, was not favoured by India and New Delhi was firm on its stance.

To give in, Sri Lankan Defence Ministry had asked for 10 JF-17 aircraft or a similar craft. India came up with a counter deal where it offered a credit line to SL Government to purchase combat aircraft. The condition is that the government could buy the aircraft from any country other than Pakistan.


Pakistan, as things developed, renewed their offer by stating they would give 10 F-7 combat craft free, if we are going for an outright purchase. Pakistan also plans to announce the deal during Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Shariff's imminent visit to Colombo in January 2016.

However, India - Pakistan relationship will reach a breaking point with Sri Lanka's final decision on the aircraft deal.

Meanwhile, the government seems to have thought of maximizing this situation, as it indicated giving the nod to the Colombo Port City Project.


The EIA was finalized and the investor published the 1,000-page report. However, contrary to normal procedure of making the report available on line for the public to give their views and comments on the project, the Chinese investor had opted to a different path.

Accordingly, those who want to comment on the EIA report will have to buy the report and write their comments manually and hand it over again.


India which was completely against the China Port City project, meanwhile, has loosened its grip on the matter and said they have no issue if the government and the Chinese company agree to certain amendments including the land ownership.

However, this much reluctant approval comes with a condition of Sri Lanka dropping the aircraft deal with Pakistan.

If India push too hard they will lose a friendly govt in SL
 
The deal was done when the Air Force commander Gagan Bulathsinhala visited Islamabad.. Just that on the political front these deals need to be kept under wraps till the delivery for obvious reasons.. The Minister is just giving the indications to the parliament of what to expect



Hmm you deserve a biscuit for such amazing intelligent know how.. Good boy
Yea, why not.. Srilanka is free to choose what they want.. We can't to much about it.. And frankly speaking we shouldn't do much to stop the deal..if the deal goes, then happy for srilanka..Thants it.. This is nothing compared what Indian strategic planners are having in Mind.. So chill Indian fanboys before converting this thread into loo..

If India push too hard they will lose a friendly govt in SL
I don't think they will push at all. If at all any reports of it comes, then it should be bogus.. And by the way we know very well that Srilanka is neither friendly nor inimic, it is just acting on its own interst, which is fair enough .. So it doesn't matter what ever you do.. If at all in future if you turn inimic towards us, then let us think about it in future not now..
 
The government and opposition in Sri Lanka will not discount the role of Pakistan in ridding the country of the TT issue in the north. The JF17 deal is done. Rest can run around for waiting too long.
 
Who is the opposition for sl to attack with this plane
 
If India push too hard they will lose a friendly govt in SL
like they did to Nepal..


To give in, Sri Lankan Defence Ministry had asked for 10 JF-17 aircraft or a similar craft. India came up with a counter deal where it offered a credit line to SL Government to purchase combat aircraft. The condition is that the government could buy the aircraft from any country other than Pakistan.

what are the other aircrafts beside jf-17??
 
what are the other aircrafts beside jf-17??

The only other option is the Mig-29 but JF-17 suits the current needs of Sri Lanka and JF-17 talks have progrssed so far it would be a total waste to cancel it
 
So long talks only and no results ............. please give them for free use for some time :hang2::hang3:

Pakistan wants to sell their junks quickly and buy some modern stuff , i hope Srilanka fell in trap
 
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For all the PDF Indians hyper ventilating by overestimating themselves in terms of ability and influence this is how the real world works contrary to what you may see you country portrayed in Bollywood drama's

Small strategic countries will play it's cards for their own best interests, As you can see even with the whole hoopla in both Indian media and certain Indian commentators about the new SL govt being " pro" India, The facts on the ground are different.. Like i mentioned before if the think tanks (Not insignificant PDF Indians) think that Sri Lanka will over ride it's interests regarding either SinoLanka relationship or LankaPak relationship over India, They are making a huge error of judgement

Mark my words both the Harbour City and the JF 17 deal will go through despite histrionics in Delhi against both

Ceylon Today | Indo-SL tension over JF17 Pakistan deal

111485_pakistanairforcepakistanjf-17thunderramirez-1-2222.jpg


Sri Lankan Government is facing mounting pressure from its powerful neighbour India over a defence deal Sri Lanka is to enter into with Pakistan. According to highly placed sources in the diplomatic circles, India has expressed its strong opposition to a deal the SL Government entered into with the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) to purchase 10 JF-17 combat aircraft.


The deal was entered into apparently when former Air Force Commander Jayalath Weerakkody was serving as the Sri Lankan High Commissioner in Pakistan.
It is a lightweight, single-engine, multi-role combat aircraft developed jointly by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) of China. The JF-17 can be used for aerial reconnaissance, ground attack and aircraft interception. Its designation 'JF-17' by Pakistan is short for 'Joint Fighter-17'


The JF-17 was primarily developed to meet the PAF's requirement for an affordable, modern, multi-role combat aircraft as a replacement for its large fleet of Dassault Mirage III/5 fighters, Nanchang A-5 bombers, and Chengdu F-7 interceptors, with a cost of US$ 500 million, divided equally between China and Pakistan. The aircraft was also intended to have export potential as a cost-effective and competitive alternative to more expensive Western fighters. The development of this aircraft was headed by Yang Wei (aircraft designer), who is considered China's 'ace designer'. Wei also designed the Chengdu J-20.


By 1989, because of economic sanctions by the US, Pakistan had abandoned Project Sabre II, a design study involving US aircraft manufacturer Grumman and China, and had decided to redesign and upgrade the Chengdu F-7. In the same year, China and Grumman started a new design study to develop the Super 7, another redesigned Chengdu F-7. Grumman left the project when sanctions were placed on China following the political fallout from the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests. After Grumman left the Chengdu Super 7 project, the Fighter China project was launched in 1991. In 1995, Pakistan and China signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) for joint design and development of a new fighter and over the next few years worked out the project details. In June 1995, Mikoyan had joined the project to provide 'design support', this also involved the secondment of several engineers by CAC. (Source-Wikipedia)


According to sources, Indian National Security Adviser Ajit Doval had personally expressed India's concerns on the deal to President Maithripala Sirisena and Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe.

Doval who telephoned both President Sirisena and Prime Minister Wickremesinghe had told them outright that New Delhi is against the deal.


He warned that Sri Lanka will have to face serious repercussions if Sri Lanka was to seal the deal with Pakistan.

Sri Lanka on the other hand had offered to purchase three naval ships from India. This, however, was not favoured by India and New Delhi was firm on its stance.

To give in, Sri Lankan Defence Ministry had asked for 10 JF-17 aircraft or a similar craft. India came up with a counter deal where it offered a credit line to SL Government to purchase combat aircraft. The condition is that the government could buy the aircraft from any country other than Pakistan.


Pakistan, as things developed, renewed their offer by stating they would give 10 F-7 combat craft free, if we are going for an outright purchase. Pakistan also plans to announce the deal during Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Shariff's imminent visit to Colombo in January 2016.

However, India - Pakistan relationship will reach a breaking point with Sri Lanka's final decision on the aircraft deal.

Meanwhile, the government seems to have thought of maximizing this situation, as it indicated giving the nod to the Colombo Port City Project.


The EIA was finalized and the investor published the 1,000-page report. However, contrary to normal procedure of making the report available on line for the public to give their views and comments on the project, the Chinese investor had opted to a different path.

Accordingly, those who want to comment on the EIA report will have to buy the report and write their comments manually and hand it over again.


India which was completely against the China Port City project, meanwhile, has loosened its grip on the matter and said they have no issue if the government and the Chinese company agree to certain amendments including the land ownership.

However, this much reluctant approval comes with a condition of Sri Lanka dropping the aircraft deal with Pakistan.


No matter even if they reach mars within the next 2 years,they will still have inferiority complex towards their neighbors.Typical narrow minded nature
 
Not interested in drivel.



First create a proper version of your useless plane. Your weld jobs are so bad In a battle against India the wings might actually fall off.

Once the sale is officially announced, your ego may also need a similar weld job, but perhaps you may approach DRDO, who have already produced hundreds of LCAs after the successful development and qualification, LOL
 
The question is not of protecting legitimate interests, it is of inviting deliberate conflict. As long as Sri Lanka repsects the concerns of India, there will always be scope for flexibility in international relations. If there are 'grand plan' we will break India, screw India type attitude as shown in 1971, the retaliation will be severe. That is not a question of small country vs big country. It is about teaching a lesson to anyone who unnecessarily jeopardizes our security concerns. And you cannot deny that those same arrogant leaders with 'grand designs' also stoked a chauvinistic Sinhala revival movement which spawned the eventual Tamil conflict. DOn't put the blame of your leaders on our actions which are automatic under these circumstances.

Sri Lanka is committed to Stability in SAARC, I don't see how buying the JF-17 is "inviting deliberate conflict" and how is India's security is threatened when SL doesn't allow its stratergic assets to be used to threaten India?
 
Once the sale is officially announced, your ego may also need a similar weld job, but perhaps you may approach DRDO, who have already produced hundreds of LCAs after the successful development and qualification, LOL
If the deal is signed China should get credit for building the plane ,you don't even have industrial capability to build paint of jf 17 only indigenous thing in jf 17 is your pilot
 
If the deal is signed China should get credit for building the plane ,you don't even have industrial capability to build paint of jf 17 only indigenous thing in jf 17 is your pilot

Your one to talk .... Going by the same standard, if LCA gets inducted anywhere before 2020, the credit should be going to GE (US), Lockheed (US), Rafael (Israel), IAI (Israel), Dassault (France), Martin Baker (UK) and Ericsson (Sweden) -- Even by the latest CAG report, the "Made in India" LCA after 3 decades of development is only 35% composed of indigenous components ....

But then again, the fact of the matter is this ... even if Pakistan has no contribution WHAT SO EVER (which in fact is not the case) the only argument you have left is "JFT isn't indigenous" which by the way Pakistan never claimed (we always called it a JV) .... I wonder why there is no comparison done in terms of project management, export potential etc. you know .. the parameters that ACTUALLY MATTER .. ...:pop:

Coming back to the topic, it will be interesting to see the production of the JFT from this point ... The estimate time frame given by the SriLankan sources is from 2017-2019 and from what we've seen PAC can manage 12-15 jets /year ... While the news of an increase of 25% in production from 2016 onwards has also been made, making it 16-19 jets /year ... The only rumored figure required by SLAF that we've seen is 10 aircrafts, which can be managed by PAC while producing 40 blk-II's to be completed by 2018.
 
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