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Pakistan Sets Eyes on China’s New J-35 Fighter Jet

Why are funds such an issue for you?

As stated previously PAF decided to stick with JF-17 since the odd purchase of the 18 F-18s in 2006. Funds were initially set aside long ago. Also PAF wont purchase 100 jets in a single day. These are long term programs. PAF is adamant about JF-17 block 3 being the last 4th generation program for it. Everything going forward will be taking into consideration future threats.

PAF has a requirement for 300-400 5th generation jets up to 2040. All these jets wont be bought or produced in a day. Technology improves, production improves.
Oh my god 400/500 stealth jet, you're out of your mind:crazy:, 400/ 500 stealth jets will collapse Pakistan economy within a year or two, and 5th gen jets are extremely expensive than compare to 4th/4.5th gen jets, you're living in fools paradise bro i am sorry to say
 
Oh my god 400/500 stealth jet, you're out of your mind:crazy:, 400/ 500 stealth jets will collapse Pakistan economy within a year or two, and 5th gen jets are extremely expensive than compare to 4th/4.5th gen jets, you're living in fools paradise bro i am sorry to say

You dont know what you are talk
Oh my god 400/500 stealth jet, you're out of your mind:crazy:, 400/ 500 stealth jets will collapse Pakistan economy within a year or two, and 5th gen jets are extremely expensive than compare to 4th/4.5th gen jets, you're living in fools paradise bro i am sorry to say

The Pakistani economy does not revolve around your lack of braincells beta...

I clearly said 300-400 taking into consideration all the F-7s, mirages, early F-16s that will have to be replaced. And I provided a realistic timeframe by 2040. Speaking of Pakistan economy by 2040 our GDP nominal will be at over 1.5+ trillion USD and GDP real purchasing power at 4+ trillion USD.

Our GDP nominal is 300 billion USD today and we have 200 4th generation jets. You think the contract for those were all signed in 1 day back in 2000????? Look at your stupidity :D

If our defence budge is 10 billion USD today then assuming a small 8% (usually is 10-15%) increase annually in 20 years our defence budget is 46.5 billion USD. Assuming those 20 years PAF gets 25% of the defence budget its usually allocated then in 20 years PAF will have a budget over 70+ billion :D

Like I said long term planning beta... long term

J-31s cost 75 million today not including economies of scale so it will get cheaper as more are produced for China/Pakistans combined needs.

Azm will cost PAF about 50 million USD max over its production lifecycle.
 
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...here's what'll happen next:

Someone (e.g., @ziaulislam ) will say, "nothing new, we knew this, old news, etc"

Then @Deino will say: "what the hell is this unreliable news outlet, J-35 is ONLY for domestic use, the export variant is FC-31. Stop sharing unreliable news sources..."

...and then:

9 YouTube videos.
You missed 356 pages long thread.
 
You dont know what you are talk


The Pakistani economy does not revolve around your lack of braincells beta...

I clearly said 300-400 taking into consideration all the F-7s, mirages, early F-16s that will have to be replaced. And I provided a realistic timeframe by 2040. Speaking of Pakistan economy by 2040 our GDP nominal will be at over 1.5+ trillion USD and GDP real purchasing power at 4+ trillion USD.

Our GDP nominal is 300 billion USD today and we have 200 4th generation jets. You think the contract for those were all signed in 1 day back in 2000????? Look at your stupidity :D

Like I said long term planning beta... long term

J-31s cost 75 million today not including economies of scale so it will get cheaper as more are produced for China/Pakistans combined needs.

Azm will cost PAF about 50 million USD max over its production lifecycle.
I pray that will happen to my country but you're assuming too much that Pakistan economy will grow up miraculously from 40 Billion to 1.4 Trillion within just 20 years???:crazy::crazy::crazy:
 
Never ever ... the designation J-35 - if correct - alone shows it is a PLA project and NOT for export.
Wait why would this be the case? The J-10 also has a similar designation and is available for export? IMHO, the J-35 may very well be available for export given that the crown jewel of the PLA is still the J-20. The J-20 will never be available for export but the J-35 may be ...
 
Over the course of time i've been very critical of Project AZM for the very reason that we just do not have the infrastructure or the technical know how of how to build a Fighter Jet - its as simple as that.

I mean, we've skipped the basics of: before you can run, you must crawl.

Here, we appear to be going 100 meter race at the Olympics - against Usain Bolt.

We haven't done Choppers, but we want to build our own 5th Generation Jet. Forget 3rd/4th/4.5 Gen - jump straight to 5th Generation.

Its clear as day that at the end of day, this AZM is gonna be built with the assistance of another player(s). Sure, we can tag it as 'Indigenous', but we all know what that means.

Do we have it in us to build something all by our self? I'm not talking about Engine, Ejection Seat or even Avionics. Can we design and build a jet on our own? Frankly speaking, I don't think so.

Our economy sucks. Our own people are crooks. We don't pay taxes. We've got the worst policy of revolving-door Politicians that seem to excel in taking us in reverse. We can't work in peace because of our brilliant neighbors. And if by miracle we get a timeout from everything - some natural disaster strikes and we're back to square 1.

[We can't even fix 14hrs of Loadshedding in Karachi]

Look, we're never getting any F-35 - so to those members who keep peddling that fantasy, I feel sorry for you. Its rather pathetic.

F-16's day by day seems like a lost cause. Even now, the US gets a stiffy just thinking about landing a big order from India.

China is the only player we've got left, so (when) we have the money - we outta just go for these J-35 or FC-31 and hope our friends give us a Group Discount.

To me, AZM is just JF-172.0
 
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Reports indicate China is set to show off a new fighter jet next year, though it will likely be a familiar sight to Chinese military watchers. Growing indicators point to a fighter jet, likely a revamped, combat-ready version of the FC-31 fighter plane, making an appearance in 2021.

One such indicator was brought to light by the aviation blog Alert 5, which highlighted a post by the Chinese Aeronautical Establishment on social media. The blog states:
According to Alert 5, CAE used the characters 新一代 to represent “new generation” fighter. “The aircraft could either be a new variant of an existing airframe or a total new design,” the blog says. “However, it is of note that if its a new design, it would have been written as 新型 in Mandarin.”

The “new fighter” rumor was also picked up by China’s nationalistic, often fiery Global Times site, which also referred to the CAE post. According to Global Times, the social media post was later deleted without explanation. A Chinese aviation expert interviewed by the site believes the fighter is designed to operate from China’s fleet of aircraft carriers.
The leading contender for the new fighter, currently referred to as “J-35,” is a production-ready version of Shenyang FC-31 technology demonstrator. Developed in China, the FC-31 (also known as the J-31) is considered a “fifth-generation” fighter built with stealth in mind and bears a strong resemblance to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. In 2019, FlightGlobal reported the FC-31’s developers believed the jet was progressing well and the aircraft was, “destined to enter service with the People’s Liberation Army.”
The FC-31 was first unveiled in 2012 but never put into mass production. It’s not clear why though it likely has to do with China’s inability to make jet engines. The FC-31 was originally powered by Klimov RD-33 engines, the same engines that power Russia’s MiG-29 fighter jet. Although China has made great strides in manufacturing aircraft, it has struggled with designing high-performance afterburning turbofan engines, especially subfields such as metallurgy.
Russia prefers to sell entire fighter jets instead of individual jet engines, a policy that increases its profit. An inability to source Russian engines might have made mass production of the jet impossible. If the new jet is indeed a revamped FC-31, it could indicate China is confident it can reliably manufacture its own high-performance jet engines.
Experts believe that the J-35 will likely be a carrier aircraft to supplement and eventually replace the J-15 “Flying Shark” fighter. A large, heavy, twin-engine fighter, the J-15 traces its origins to the Soviet Su-33 carrier-based fighter. Unfortunately, the fighter’s weight— coupled with the need to launch the aircraft from the ski ramps—severely restricts the J-15’s range and ability to carry fuel and weapons.
Fighter jets are expensive to develop, and China will likely try to get its money’s worth by buying jets not only for carrier but also land-based use. Many major air forces use a combination of expensive, heavy, twin engine fighter jets supplemented by larger numbers of cheaper, lighter, multi-role fighter jets. The U.S. Air Force, for example, flies both the F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Russia flies the Su-35 Flanker-E supplemented by the MiG-29/35. China flies a combination of the J-20 twin engine fighter supplemented by the J-10 “Vigorous Dragon.” The J-10, while a capable plane, is a fourth-generation fighter with a non-stealthy design. The J-35 could replace earlier J-10 fighters and eventually the entire J-10 fleet.

The U.S. Air Force is the only air force in the world that operates both a large and small fifth-generation stealth fighter. If the new jet is indeed the J-35 and China builds large numbers of them, it will create a Chinese air force to be reckoned with.

Air Force (PAF) has set its eyes on the new Chinese fighter aircraft in response to India’s purchase of French Rafale.
According to the reports, the cost of the fighter jet will be around $70 million. In comparison, the F-35 is valued at $79 million whereas the French Rafale fighter costs $77 million. To maintain balance of power in South Asia, Pakistan will have to buy stealth-capable J-35 multi-role fighter jets in response to India’s Rafale.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a33013449/china-new-fighter-jet/

https://propakistani.pk/2020/07/07/...eVK09VmMsYOH0kdikcWzgjPv2k5tsk31kZsLv8empsCmc



I am sure Pakistan is the part of this new program. and on our end its called Azm. Most likely a JF 35 .
 
I pray that will happen to my country but you're assuming too much that Pakistan economy will grow up miraculously from 40 Billion to 1.4 Trillion within just 20 years???:crazy::crazy::crazy:

Maybe you mean 315 billion dollar (2018)
 
You dont know what you are talk


The Pakistani economy does not revolve around your lack of braincells beta...

I clearly said 300-400 taking into consideration all the F-7s, mirages, early F-16s that will have to be replaced. And I provided a realistic timeframe by 2040. Speaking of Pakistan economy by 2040 our GDP nominal will be at over 1.5+ trillion USD and GDP real purchasing power at 4+ trillion USD.

Our GDP nominal is 300 billion USD today and we have 200 4th generation jets. You think the contract for those were all signed in 1 day back in 2000????? Look at your stupidity :D

If our defence budge is 10 billion USD today then assuming a small 8% (usually is 10-15%) increase annually in 20 years our defence budget is 46.5 billion USD. Assuming those 20 years PAF gets 25% of the defence budget its usually allocated then in 20 years PAF will have a budget over 70+ billion :D

Like I said long term planning beta... long term

J-31s cost 75 million today not including economies of scale so it will get cheaper as more are produced for China/Pakistans combined needs.

Azm will cost PAF about 50 million USD max over its production lifecycle.
I agree with you..
 
Forex is 40 Billion???

Pakistan nominal GDP is 284 billion dollar in 2019, a bit reduced from 2018 data that look like to be caused by currency depreciation. He talked about economy so it means nominal GDP.
 
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Reports indicate China is set to show off a new fighter jet next year, though it will likely be a familiar sight to Chinese military watchers. Growing indicators point to a fighter jet, likely a revamped, combat-ready version of the FC-31 fighter plane, making an appearance in 2021.

One such indicator was brought to light by the aviation blog Alert 5, which highlighted a post by the Chinese Aeronautical Establishment on social media. The blog states:
According to Alert 5, CAE used the characters 新一代 to represent “new generation” fighter. “The aircraft could either be a new variant of an existing airframe or a total new design,” the blog says. “However, it is of note that if its a new design, it would have been written as 新型 in Mandarin.”

The “new fighter” rumor was also picked up by China’s nationalistic, often fiery Global Times site, which also referred to the CAE post. According to Global Times, the social media post was later deleted without explanation. A Chinese aviation expert interviewed by the site believes the fighter is designed to operate from China’s fleet of aircraft carriers.
The leading contender for the new fighter, currently referred to as “J-35,” is a production-ready version of Shenyang FC-31 technology demonstrator. Developed in China, the FC-31 (also known as the J-31) is considered a “fifth-generation” fighter built with stealth in mind and bears a strong resemblance to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. In 2019, FlightGlobal reported the FC-31’s developers believed the jet was progressing well and the aircraft was, “destined to enter service with the People’s Liberation Army.”
The FC-31 was first unveiled in 2012 but never put into mass production. It’s not clear why though it likely has to do with China’s inability to make jet engines. The FC-31 was originally powered by Klimov RD-33 engines, the same engines that power Russia’s MiG-29 fighter jet. Although China has made great strides in manufacturing aircraft, it has struggled with designing high-performance afterburning turbofan engines, especially subfields such as metallurgy.
Russia prefers to sell entire fighter jets instead of individual jet engines, a policy that increases its profit. An inability to source Russian engines might have made mass production of the jet impossible. If the new jet is indeed a revamped FC-31, it could indicate China is confident it can reliably manufacture its own high-performance jet engines.
Experts believe that the J-35 will likely be a carrier aircraft to supplement and eventually replace the J-15 “Flying Shark” fighter. A large, heavy, twin-engine fighter, the J-15 traces its origins to the Soviet Su-33 carrier-based fighter. Unfortunately, the fighter’s weight— coupled with the need to launch the aircraft from the ski ramps—severely restricts the J-15’s range and ability to carry fuel and weapons.
Fighter jets are expensive to develop, and China will likely try to get its money’s worth by buying jets not only for carrier but also land-based use. Many major air forces use a combination of expensive, heavy, twin engine fighter jets supplemented by larger numbers of cheaper, lighter, multi-role fighter jets. The U.S. Air Force, for example, flies both the F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Russia flies the Su-35 Flanker-E supplemented by the MiG-29/35. China flies a combination of the J-20 twin engine fighter supplemented by the J-10 “Vigorous Dragon.” The J-10, while a capable plane, is a fourth-generation fighter with a non-stealthy design. The J-35 could replace earlier J-10 fighters and eventually the entire J-10 fleet.

The U.S. Air Force is the only air force in the world that operates both a large and small fifth-generation stealth fighter. If the new jet is indeed the J-35 and China builds large numbers of them, it will create a Chinese air force to be reckoned with.

Air Force (PAF) has set its eyes on the new Chinese fighter aircraft in response to India’s purchase of French Rafale.
According to the reports, the cost of the fighter jet will be around $70 million. In comparison, the F-35 is valued at $79 million whereas the French Rafale fighter costs $77 million. To maintain balance of power in South Asia, Pakistan will have to buy stealth-capable J-35 multi-role fighter jets in response to India’s Rafale.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a33013449/china-new-fighter-jet/

https://propakistani.pk/2020/07/07/...eVK09VmMsYOH0kdikcWzgjPv2k5tsk31kZsLv8empsCmc

If China offered to J-31 to us (with the blessing of Russia because of Russian engine), we should immediately order 36 and have an option for additional 36. This will send clear message to Uncle Sam that we will no longer need your carrot.

Pakistan nominal GDP is 284 billion dollar in 2019, a bit reduced from 2018 data that look like to be caused by currency depreciation. He talked about economy so it means nominal GDP.
Pakistan nominal GDP is 284 billion dollar in 2019, a bit reduced from 2018 data that look like to be caused by currency depreciation. He talked about economy so it means nominal GDP.

That will change with time...There are many things in pipeline and FBR can collect taxes will be in good shape. Imran Khan has to continue otherwise country will default on it’s loans and bailout will require de-nuclearization of Pakistan.
 
Yep. But the original export designation for the J-10A was FC-20. For some reason, instead of continuing with the FC-20 designation, they opted to use J-10CE for the export version of J-10C.

So, the J-designation doesn’t preclude exports.
 
So, the J-designation doesn’t preclude exports.
Not now, but we'd still need to qualify it. In the case of the J-10C, they've added "E" for the export version -- i.e., J-10CE. So, if there'd be an export version of the J-35, it'd be J-35E. However, at this time, there's no sign of a J-35E (or J-35 to be fair).
 
Not now, but we'd still need to qualify it. In the case of the J-10C, they've added "E" for the export version -- i.e., J-10CE. So, if there'd be an export version of the J-35, it'd be J-35E. However, at this time, there's no sign of a J-35E (or J-35 to be fair).
JF-35 could be a possibility sir
 

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