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Pakistan seeks big powers’ help to settle Kashmir issue

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SHAFQAT ALI


ISLAMABAD - Pakistan on Friday sought help from the permanent five (P5) members of the United Nations Security Council to resolve the decades-old Kashmir issue, the foreign ministry said.

Special Assistant to the Prime Minister Tariq Fatemi called upon the permanent members of the UN Security Council - China, France, Russian, the UK and the US - to fulfil their commitment to the people of Jammu and Kashmir, by holding a free, fair and impartial plebiscite under the UN auspices.

He briefed ambassadors of P5 countries here on the deteriorating human rights situation in the Indian occupied Jammu and Kashmir, the foreign ministry said.

Pak-India tensions have heightened since an Indian crackdown on dissent in Kashmir following the killing of a young freedom fighter Burhan Wani by the Indian forces in July.

They further deteriorated when New Delhi blamed Pakistan for the Uri attack, which inflicted the heaviest toll on the Indian army in a single incident in 14 years. India, which has already launched a diplomatic drive to isolate Pakistan, later announced to boycott a regional summit hosted by Pakistan in November.

Also, the Indian military claimed it had conducted ‘surgical strikes’ inside Azad Jammu Kashmir. Pakistan rejected the claims as an “illusion”.

Fatemi also briefed the ambassadors about escalation and ceasefire violations from the Indian side on the Line of Control and the Working Boundary, and the Indian involvement in subversive and terrorist activities in Pakistan.

He noted that the people of held Kashmir were being brutalised for demanding their fundamental rights including the right to self-determination. The PM’s adviser condemned the Indian brutalities in Kashmir, resulting in the killing of more than 115 innocent people and injuring more than 16,000.

He noted that more than 1,000 people had been injured due to the use of pellet guns by the Indian forces, while scores of people had become partially or permanently blind. “Fatemi characterised the systematic and grave human rights violations as crimes against humanity,” said the foreign ministry.

He said that unprovoked continued firing and ceasefire violations from the Indian side on the LoC and the Working Boundary had resulted in the loss of many innocent lives. He referred to the Indian attempts to escalate tensions as an effort to divert international attention from the grim situation in Kashmir.

Fatemi also deplored Indian involvement in subversive and terrorist activities in Pakistan.

While highlighting Pakistan’s sacrifices in the war against terrorism, he reiterated Pakistan’s commitment to eradicating the menace of terrorism including Indian state-sponsored terrorism.

Meanwhile, Frenc Ambassador Martine Dorance on Friday welcomed Pakistan’s ratification of the Paris Agreement on climate change. ........

http://nation.com.pk/newspaper-pick...seeks-big-powers-help-to-settle-kashmir-issue
 
US-UK-France are not going to do anything. China already stands with us. Russia maybe.
 
1950 - 98 most effective superpower backing was not enough to implement pakistani dream even when India itself was weak .... let's see which magic wand China has....
Russia..... aaamm aaahhmm aaahhhmmm:pop::pop:


.... on a wise note..... khudi ko ker blund itna.... ki harr razza se pehle khuda puche tujse bata bande Teri razza kya hai......
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http://www.nawaiwaqt.com.pk/E-Paper/Lahore/2016-11-05/page-1/detail-26
بھارت سی پیک کے خلاف سازشیں بند کرے ورنہ معاملہ سلامتی کونسل میں اٹھائیں گے: چین کا مودی کو انتباہ

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کراچی (صباح نیوز) وفاقی حکومت نے پاکستان میں جاسوسی کرنے والے بھارتی سفارتکاروں کے معاملے پرعالمی برادری کوبھارتی وزیراعظم نریندر مودی کے ایجنڈا سے آگاہ کرنے کیلئے موثر سفارتی مہم کاآغاز کردیا۔ اس حوالے سے حکام نے سفارتی رابطوں کے ذریعے امریکہ،چین اور دیگر اہم ممالک کو اس صورتحال سے آگاہ کردیا۔پاکستان اور چین سی پیک کے خلاف بھارتی سازشوں کا معاملہ جلد باہمی مشاورت سے اقوام متحدہ کی سلامتی کونسل میں اٹھائیں گے اوربھارت کے خلاف عالمی قوانین کی خلاف ورزی اور پابندیاں عائد کرنے کے حوالے سے قراردادپیش کی جاسکتی ہے۔وفاقی حکومت کے ذرائع کا کہنا ہے کہ پاکستان نے ان ممالک کو کہا ہے کہ پاکستان کوعدم استحکام کرنے کے حوالے سے مودی حکومت مسلسل سازشوں میں مصروف ہے، جس سے خطے میں عدم استحکام پیدا ہوسکتا ہے اور اس کا ذمے دار بھارت ہوگا۔ ان ممالک نے پاکستان کوعندیہ دیاہے کہ وہ اس معاملے پر بھارت سے بات کریں گے اورسفارتی محاذ پر پاکستان کا ساتھ دیں گے۔ وفاقی حکومت کے اہم ذرائع کے مطابق پاکستان نے پاکستان چین اقتصادی راہداری منصوبے کو سبوتاژ کرنے کی بھارتی سازشوںسے چینی حکام کو آگاہ کردیا۔ چین نے مودی حکومت کوسخت سفارتی پیغام بھیجاہے کہ بھارت سی پیک منصوبے کے خلاف اپنی سازشیں بند کردے۔ بصورت دیگرمعاملہ سلامتی کونسل میں اٹھایا جائے گا۔ اگربھارت باز نہ آیا تو اسے سنگین نتائج کا سامنا ہوسکتا ہے۔ذرائع کا کہنا ہے کہ پاکستان اور چین نے سی پیک کے خلاف بھارتی سازشوں کا ڈٹ کر مقابلہ کرنے کا فیصلہ کیا ہے اور اس معاملے پر مشترکہ حکمت عملی طے کی جائے گی، سی پیک کی سکیورٹی میں مزید اضافہ کیا جائے گا۔
 
Thr is No Irony in asking P5 to raise a matter .... IF (& its a Big IF) the Security Council indeed go ahead and consider the Kashmir a Humanitarian Crises, it can make way for referendum till UN peacekeeping intervention ..


But I do understand that in reality ... Russia is not Gonna Side with Pakistan over India & we can expect a veto from them ... and even US, UK, France business and commercial as well as defense interest will not allow such motion to even be on the Agenda let alone a vote ... !

But keep this in mind too the world is having itself re-aligned and We REALLY do not knwo how it would be in 25-30 years ... As for Kashmir My Sympathies are with them ... but for them the nly way to go is somehow seek independence .. Full independence from india AND Pakistan ... What Pakistan can do in this is raise and somehow make sure it solve the Palestine issue (a two state Solution) by strong lobbying in Islamic and other western countries .. the ground is avalaible .. need concrete effort ... i hope we can get 1947 UN Plan ... but even getting 1967 approved is first step towards that ...

Once paletine issue resolved .. it will increase Pakistan stature among the global countries alot & by that time we will be hopefully better in Golbal Economic Map .... and thn Pakistan Use it as a leverage to get Kashmir a TRUE Free state ..

the Referendum Pakistan could get india eventually agreed upon is for J&K Freedom or Indian rule & for G&B AJK - Freedom or Pakistan Rule ... I have first hand knowledge of G&B & AJK that they will vote for Pakistan ... and i believe Ladakh & Jammu will vote for India while Kashmir Valley will vote for Freedom ... and hence we will have a mutually acceptable .. somewhat face saving Chenab Formula !

I know indians will find this a very Optimistic view but if u have anything better (except maintaining status Quo), i m all ears !
 
Thr is No Irony in asking P5 to raise a matter .... IF (& its a Big IF) the Security Council indeed go ahead and consider the Kashmir a Humanitarian Crises, it can make way for referendum till UN peacekeeping intervention ..


But I do understand that in reality ... Russia is not Gonna Side with Pakistan over India & we can expect a veto from them ... and even US, UK, France business and commercial as well as defense interest will not allow such motion to even be on the Agenda let alone a vote ... !

But keep this in mind too the world is having itself re-aligned and We REALLY do not knwo how it would be in 25-30 years ... As for Kashmir My Sympathies are with them ... but for them the nly way to go is somehow seek independence .. Full independence from india AND Pakistan ... What Pakistan can do in this is raise and somehow make sure it solve the Palestine issue (a two state Solution) by strong lobbying in Islamic and other western countries .. the ground is avalaible .. need concrete effort ... i hope we can get 1947 UN Plan ... but even getting 1967 approved is first step towards that ...

Once paletine issue resolved .. it will increase Pakistan stature among the global countries alot & by that time we will be hopefully better in Golbal Economic Map .... and thn Pakistan Use it as a leverage to get Kashmir a TRUE Free state ..

the Referendum Pakistan could get india eventually agreed upon is for J&K Freedom or Indian rule & for G&B AJK - Freedom or Pakistan Rule ... I have first hand knowledge of G&B & AJK that they will vote for Pakistan ... and i believe Ladakh & Jammu will vote for India while Kashmir Valley will vote for Freedom ... and hence we will have a mutually acceptable .. somewhat face saving Chenab Formula !

I know indians will find this a very Optimistic view but if u have anything better (except maintaining status Quo), i m all ears !
20-30 yrs is enough to change demography of kashmir if we see any pressure coming. these things take years if not decades will force india to abolish article 370 and u should know population has never been a problem for us
 
20-30 yrs is enough to change demography of kashmir if we see any pressure coming. these things take years if not decades will force india to abolish article 370 and u should know population has never been a problem for us

Changing the demography although possible but require concrete effort ... and in Kashmir it it will require on a bigger magnitude than Israel is trying to do so in Palestine ... and India is No israel and neither that big of an apple of the eye of USA .... also the UN will not make it easy for india .... in bigger scheme of work .. 20 - 30 years is not that huge time (its not even a time period of a Generation) .. and doing so this action from GOU will make indian case of occupation further weak and highlight bigger humanitarian issues ..... and as the time is passing by the humanitarian cases are gonna get a serious repercussion !

And again the reason i m trying to focus on Palestine before Kashmir coz it can easily be a great template to solve kashmir issue as well as garner a huge support and world in general need some happy ending stories !
 
US-UK-France are not going to do anything. China already stands with us. Russia maybe.

No other country will be willing to intervene in the Kashmir issue. Not even China, that's why even with the big fuss about the Human rights issue, China asked both India and Pakistan to do more talks and settle the issue bilaterally.
 
No other country will be willing to intervene in the Kashmir issue. Not even China, that's why even with the big fuss about the Human rights issue, China asked both India and Pakistan to do more talks and settle the issue bilaterally.

Hmm Pakistan is ready to talk..do you know who isn't?
 
Hmm Pakistan is ready to talk..do you know who isn't?
There can't be any talks. We have been talking since a long time. We were having improved relations from 1990 until 2000, then Kargil, happened. After that we again get along and then on 2008 mumbai attacks. Now yet again, Indian PM tried to reach up going to Pakistan, and then Pathankot and Uri happened.
Don't forget we even allowed ISI agents to come and investigate in air force base in Pathankot.
Hence we suspended "talks" now, and we can't have talk under the shadow of terrorism. And you name them good terrorist who act only against India. Hence you don't take actions. So, whats the point in having talks.
 
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Changing the demography although possible but require concrete effort ... and in Kashmir it it will require on a bigger magnitude than Israel is trying to do so in Palestine ... and India is No israel and neither that big of an apple of the eye of USA .... also the UN will not make it easy for india .... in bigger scheme of work .. 20 - 30 years is not that huge time (its not even a time period of a Generation) .. and doing so this action from GOU will make indian case of occupation further weak and highlight bigger humanitarian issues ..... and as the time is passing by the humanitarian cases are gonna get a serious repercussion !

And again the reason i m trying to focus on Palestine before Kashmir coz it can easily be a great template to solve kashmir issue as well as garner a huge support and world in general need some happy ending stories !
nah no concrete effort government just need to lift article 370 which prevents rest of indians from buying property in kashmir. believe me thats all we need. on a side note palestine has always supported indian version on kashmir :coffee:
 
Changing the demography although possible but require concrete effort ... and in Kashmir it it will require on a bigger magnitude than Israel is trying to do so in Palestine ... and India is No israel and neither that big of an apple of the eye of USA .... also the UN will not make it easy for india .... in bigger scheme of work .. 20 - 30 years is not that huge time (its not even a time period of a Generation) .. and doing so this action from GOU will make indian case of occupation further weak and highlight bigger humanitarian issues ..... and as the time is passing by the humanitarian cases are gonna get a serious repercussion !

And again the reason i m trying to focus on Palestine before Kashmir coz it can easily be a great template to solve kashmir issue as well as garner a huge support and world in general need some happy ending stories !

I think you are too optimistic. 20 - 30 years will be a long enough for India to become one of the top 3 powerful countries on the planet. This itself be a deterrent for others to mess with India. Second, Pakistan doesn't enjoy such profile to settle Palestine, nor do I see Pakistan profile an different in next 20 - 30 than it is now. Third, Kashmir is not something that is land for Indians, since last 70 years Indians have invested emotions in Kashmir.

The only solution. LOC as IB with valley muslims given a chance to migrate to Pakistan or remain in India.

nah no concrete effort government just need to lift article 370 which prevents rest of indians from buying property in kashmir. believe me thats all we need. on a side note palestine has always supported indian version on kashmir :coffee:

I don't think India will lift article 370 without repercussion. Forget separatists, even main stream parties such as NC and PDP will not agree. Demographic changes could happen but will happen unofficially. I guess it is already happening in Jammu and Ladhak. Valley though will be tough for India to change its demographics given the resentment valley muslims have towards India.
 

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