Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal to surpass Britain’s in a decade: Reports

[Alpha1]

Sir, can you please elaborate which Pakistani missiles can target Tamilnadu or West Bengal.

With results I have said 50% otherwise I would have said 70%. With double or triple layer the chances increase dramatically.



You think you will be targetting Rajasthan desert or jungals of Chattisghar. In a war both sides will have predesignated targets from the other side. These high value targets will be certainly protected.

Lets discuss a scenario here , Incase of a countervalue strike on India e.g Delhi
Targeted by multiple Missiles with MIRVs. Chaff and all the countermeasures deployed
Also include the uncertainities like e.g Location of launch is unknown the size of the missile and warheads is unknown and mind you all these uncertainities are not taken under consideration in BMD ''Tests''
please elaborate which BMD can stop that?

Kindly read more about BMDs and their layers of protection.

I have. Layers are not that relevant here. India should have more combined seekers (for greater target discrimination) and KKVs and also increase the number of interceptors. Not to mention early warning
All that and BMD in general is a costly affair as compared to the countermeasueres which are far more easily developed.

 

[Secur]

please elaborate which BMD can stop that?

Today , I know of no BMD system which their own countries consider " credible " despite the extensive R&D that has costed billions and took decades to reach the current mature stage . The U.S ABM - technologically advanced than the rest of the world as it might be , isn't known to have a successful intercept probability value of more than fifty percent against low tech adversaries like North Korea and Iran ( relatively ) . You know the US Army evaluation/assessment of the Russian BMD system ? The less said , the better .

 

[Raje amar]

[quotlpha1, post: 5071699, member: 144062"]Lets discuss a scenario here , Incase of a countervalue strike on India e.g Delhi
Targeted by multiple Missiles with MIRVs. Chaff and all the countermeasures deployed
Also include the uncertainities like e.g Location of launch is unknown the size of the missile and warheads is unknown and mind you all these uncertainities are not taken under consideration in BMD ''Tests''
please elaborate which BMD can stop that?




I have. Layers are not that relevant here. India should have more combined seekers (for greater target discrimination) and KKVs and also increase the number of interceptors. Not to mention early warning
All that and BMD in general is a costly affair as compared to the countermeasueres which are far more easily developed.[/quote]
Sir, with the spy satellites in place and AWACKS in the air do you really thing it will be hard for us to track all air born targets from Pakistan.
Apart from that the ABM has got own intaligence for categorising the threats. Do you remember in one of the test the ABM missile didn't take off as the dummy target missile couldn't achieve required height.
So definatelly the countermeasurs will affect the probability but still more than 50% of the missile will be destroied before reaching their destination.

 

[Alpha1]

Sir, with the spy satellites in place and AWACKS in the air do you really thing it will be hard for us to track all air born targets from Pakistan.
Apart from that the ABM has got own intaligence for categorising the threats. Do you remember in one of the test the ABM missile didn't take off as the dummy target missile couldn't achieve required height.
So definatelly the countermeasurs will affect the probability but still more than 50% of the missile will be destroied before reaching their destination.

Last time i checked E-3 Sentry(far better than your phalcons) could detect only TBMs(tactical ballistic missiles)
BMD system has it's own ''inteligence'' and data collection sources but in all the simulated ballistic missile defence tests many variables which are unknown in a real nuclear exchange are known to the operator such as the size/shape and number, location of launch , target location etc etc
given all the uncertainities the percentage of successfull interceptions will be far lower than 50% in a real nuclear exchange

 

[Commander T]

Pakistan has increased production of its nuclear arsenal in the past decade, and is now also aiming to develop smaller and lighter atomic missile warheads, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist said in a report.

According to the report Pakistan’s development of the warheads have come on an alarming pace and it is expected to surpass Britain’s nuclear stockpiles in a decade.

“Pakistan has shown clear signs of its intention to grow its nuclear arsenal. Most recently, the country has begun to increase its plutonium production capabilities, with two new plutonium production reactors under construction, as well as a new chemical reprocessing facility,” the journal said.

“The country’s increased interest in plutonium demonstrates its likely goal to develop smaller, lighter warheads more suitable for use on missiles. In 2011, Nuclear Notebook reported that, in the next decade, Pakistan’s arsenal could grow larger than that of Britain’s, it already has almost around 200 nukes compared to almost 100 of India’s.” it said.

According to the journal, the global nuclear stockpile stands at roughly 19,000 nuclear weapons — the nuclear-armed states account for an estimated 420 of those weapons, while the nuclear weapon states have the rest.

“With stocks of fissile material sufficient for an arsenal of up to 200 nuclear warheads, Israel may have the largest stockpile among the nuclear-armed states” it said.

“Today, these three countries have the largest arsenals they have ever had. This growth trend among key nuclear-armed states stands in stark contrast to Britain, which, with an estimated 225 warheads, has the smallest arsenal of the nuclear weapon states; its arsenal peaked between 1975 and 1980 with 520 warheads,” it said.
Pakistan

Pakistan may surpass Britan in quantity, but cannot surpass btitan in quality......not atleast in near future..... A recent claim from britan was that they have made a (may be nuclear) weapon that cannot be tested on earth because no matter where it is tested it will be a disaster for whole planet earth......

 

[Jf Thunder]

Pakistan may surpass Britan in quantity, but cannot surpass btitan in quality......not atleast in near future..... A recent claim from britan was that they have made a (may be nuclear) weapon that cannot be tested on earth because no matter where it is tested it will be a disaster for whole planet earth......

tell the britons to grow up lol, if its so awesome, even if used against a enemy it will blow up britian too no?

 

[Commander T]

tell the britons to grow up lol, if its so awesome, even if used against a enemy it will blow up britian too no?

They,perhaps, meant that like if a nuclear weapon is used it has its effects on its neighouring cities and has its effects on global weather at large.... it was 69 years ago........it is quite possible( almost sure) that they may have developed such a Ion/ Space/weather weapon (currently unknown to normal world) that can destroy a continent or even a planet and when a continent is destroyed you can easily understand that what effects it can have........... and it is a open secret now that USA and RUSSIA posses weather and space weapons

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Let's discuss the scenario........

Pakistan has limited land mass, I mean to say even air launch brhamos can strick your western border.
While Pakistani missile can reach only 50% of India's land.

Wen the war starts the air raids and missile attack from India will destroy 50% of your weapons and delivery systems. What ever Pakistan will launch I expect 50% will be detered by our ABMs.

So only option left with Pakistan is to increase the arcenal and hope that required quantity will service and reach Indian soil.

But the multiplication and diverification for it is a very costly affairs.

mate Pakistan's nuke has got whole of India covered

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Sir first of all we are not USSR we are Pakistan and if went down we will take our beloved neighbor along with us don't worry but we are not going to we will rise and hit back and hit back hard

INSHA ALLAH

 

[SpArK]

mate Pakistan's nuke has got whole of India covered
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So the next set and new nukes are for the rest of the world once India is bombed ,to be used as spares?

 

[genmirajborgza786]

So the next set and new nukes are for the rest of the world once India is bombed ,to be used as spares?

no mate , was just countering his claim of that Pakistan's range has only 50% of India covered

Pakistani missile can reach only 50% of India's land.

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[Jf Thunder]

They,perhaps, meant that like if a nuclear weapon is used it has its effects on its neighouring cities and has its effects on global weather at large.... it was 69 years ago........it is quite possible( almost sure) that they may have developed such a Ion/ Space/weather weapon (currently unknown to normal world) that can destroy a continent or even a planet and when a continent is destroyed you can easily understand that what effects it can have........... and it is a open secret now that USA and RUSSIA posses weather and space weapons

sure, you sound like a USA version of Zaid Hamid .__.

 

[Commander T]

sure, you sound like a USA version of Zaid Hamid .__.

i mean, seriouly, you think usa and uk are spending 100s of billion of dollar in there defence every year since 1945 for sipping coffee..... and you think they have nothing more than some boring nuclear weapons................. atleast weather and space weapns are here since 80s...... so it is quite possible that they have what they say.... leave everthing else, just compare your exposed space capabilities,......... they are working on interstellar space ship........and our "SUPARCO" .......... practically don't even know what a spaceship is.......? and they have been working on doing work on energy souces from stars and studing creation of star and using energy from star and their chain reactions for almost 80 years...........they conducted the most sophisticated experiment in the history of human beings.....they created almost same condition of begining of universe universe by creating a black hole........a thing you know nothing about....... they introduced nuclear weapons, they told you that how to make bomb from a nuclear reaction, and you still challenging them........... do you even know that, USA teach us how to use rocket for research.......... if we would have been studing rocket for research on our own then perhaps we would have have made even ghauri missile by now..............For God sake............stop comparing youself with them............. they have made a civilization.........a CIVILIZATION.............. and you had a READY MADE ISLAMIC CIVILIZATION and you destroyed it........simply destroyed it........just look at youself before comparing to them...

 

[Jf Thunder]

i mean, seriouly, you think usa and uk are spending 100s of billion of dollar in there defence every year since 1945 for sipping coffee..... and you think they have nothing more than some boring nuclear weapons................. atleast weather and space weapns are here since 80s...... so it is quite possible that they have what they say.... leave everthing else, just compare your exposed space capabilities,......... they are working on interstellar space ship........and our "SUPARCO" .......... practically don't even know what a spaceship is.......? and they have been working on doing work on energy souces from stars and studing creation of star and using energy from star and their chain reactions for almost 80 years...........they conducted the most sophisticated experiment in the history of human beings.....they created almost same condition of begining of universe universe by creating a black hole........a thing you know nothing about....... they introduced nuclear weapons, they told you that how to make bomb from a nuclear reaction, and you still challenging them........... do you even know that, USA teach us how to use rocket for research.......... if we would have been studing rocket for research on our own then perhaps we would have have made even ghauri missile by now..............For God sake............stop comparing youself with them............. they have made a civilization.........a CIVILIZATION.............. and you had a READY MADE ISLAMIC CIVILIZATION and you destroyed it........simply destroyed it........just look at youself before comparing to them...

hmm, well they are pretty much useless dude, they just stole everything from Muslim scientists, who made algorithms? muslims, who made algebra? muslims, who calculated the circumference of the earth? muslims, who said the earth revolves around the sun not the other way around? muslims, who said that the sun is also in orbit?muslims, so yes the Americans are pretty much useless

 

[Commander T]

hmm, well they are pretty much useless dude, they just stole everything from Muslim scientists, who made algorithms? muslims, who made algebra? muslims, who calculated the circumference of the earth? muslims, who said the earth revolves around the sun not the other way around? muslims, who said that the sun is also in orbit?muslims, so yes the Americans are pretty much useless

This is my point.......That was our heritage..... our own..... but they came and took everything(knowledge) from us....and we were standing there, watching them doing research and our so callad scholars saying that NO;NO;NO DON'T DO RESEARCH ,THIS IS INFIDEL,s KNOWLEDGE............. sick........ now, we are a nation, we have a chance to grow up...... but the problem is our national behaviour still has not changed...... but as a student we still think, how to pas the exam rather then how to get knowledge..... this is unfortunate......