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Pakistan’s army and the law :The men in black v the men in green

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The topic should have read Khaki instead of Green, the rest is relevant..


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IFTIKHAR CHAUDHRY, Pakistan’s chief justice, is not short of chutzpah. In 2007 he was sacked as a troublemaker by Pervez Musharraf, the former military dictator, after pursuing investigations into suspected killings by the security forces. The movement for his reinstatement played a big part in bringing Mr Musharraf down and restoring civilian government. But Mr Chaudhry has also been at odds with the new administration—so much so that President Asif Ali Zardari’s men have painted him as a stooge of the army.

Now the judiciary is taking on the military establishment as well. It may be because Mr Chaudhry’s court is sensitive to these slurs on its independence; it may be because it has genuinely come round to the view that the powers of the army need to be curbed. Either way, this development is to be applauded: as our special report this week argues, the army’s belief in its impunity is one of the country’s biggest problems.
The seeds of the army’s excessive power lie in Pakistan’s origins. Born out of India, and created through a bloody partition, the country has always feared being swallowed up by its bigger neighbour. As a result, it has had since inception an army that is too big for the country’s size, greedy for resources and dangerously interventionist.

The army’s perception of itself as the guarantor of national security has led it to abuse its position. For half of Pakistan’s 64-year life, it has governed the country; for the other half, it has rigged elections, financed politicians it favoured and undermined those it didn’t. Politicians who want to make peace with India are a particular target.

The army’s power shapes Pakistani foreign policy, too. Soldiers are more focused than civilians on the military threat from India, and that fear has dangerously influenced the country’s dealings abroad. Pakistan plays a double game in Afghanistan, where the Taliban are at once its enemies (because they are the enemies of its ally America) and its friends (because they are the enemies of its enemy India). And few doubt that the Pakistani army’s intelligence wing, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) has also been in cahoots with groups responsible for atrocities in India as well.

The Supreme Court’s political role is another consequence of the way the army has distorted the country’s political life. Long periods of military rule, when the courts were the civilians’ only defence against the soldiers, boosted the relative power of the judiciary while weakening the politicians. This has been compounded by Mr Chaudhry’s determination to pursue corruption charges against President Zardari. In a country as riddled with graft as Pakistan, it is hard to complain about a judge trying to ferret out wrongdoing. But since Mr Zardari enjoys constitutional immunity, the practical effect of the judge’s onslaught will be to tie up the rest of the government’s term—unlikely to last until its natural conclusion next year—with constitutional haggling.

At last the right target

So it is a relief that the Supreme Court is now turning its fire on the armed forces as well. It is to hear three petitions relating to the conduct of the army and the ISI. One petition asks what has happened to 11 alleged terrorists taken into custody, where four apparently died. Another tackles the security forces’ behaviour in a vicious counter-insurgency campaign in Baluchistan. The third dates all the way back to 1990 and the ISI’s role in rigging an election.

By themselves, these cases will do little to shift the balance of power from the army to the civilians. Nothing that Pakistanis are likely to hear will surprise them. However, each case does touch on a different aspect of the many ways in which the security services have abused their power over the past few decades. Even the suggestion that soldiers accused of abuses might be brought to book would begin to erode the army’s sense of impunity. It could also set the stage for Pakistan to begin to look at the much deeper problems relating to the army’s exceptionally privileged role in public life.

Such an overhaul would involve changing the laws that remove much military activity from civilian jurisdiction and tackling its outsized role in the economy. The country needs to spend less of its money on soldiers and more on educating its people: with its literacy rate a shameful 58%, Pakistan is below far poorer countries such as Haiti and Congo. There is a huge amount to set right. But the move by the judiciary against the army could at least start to make Pakistan’s army accountable, if not to the political process, then at least to the law.
 
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i personally feel no one is above law not even army nothing is above law and army should respect law of pakistan and citizens of pakistan and our army is our own enemy becoz they are doing illegal things i love pakistan army more than any one but this thing has to stop taking balouchis and torturing them
 
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Thats right.

The law of the land must be followed. In this case it ought to be the constitution and the roles it lays down for all arms of the Govt.
 
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Where is the law of the land ?

Please keep in mind that Police && the Judiciary was appointed by the feudal politicians.
There was a genuine vacuum in society as far as any law enforcement was concerned.

That lawlessness kept growing to a level when it started to threaten national security, thus the Army moves in.

I fully agree that ISI/MI and the Army are doing what they shouldn't be doing. They are not trained for these purposes.

However if they don't do it; whats the alternate ?
 
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in this fight- the men in uniform have always won !
and these men in uniform also have vast people support. the army is successful in brainwashing the people against peace with India. hence they always won.
 
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in this fight- the men in uniform have always won !
and these men in uniform also have vast people support. the army is successful in brainwashing the people against peace with India. hence they always won.

1.That's incorrect. Ayub in 1962 and Mush as Prez sincerely sought peace with India. Nehru turned down Ayub because of his ego problem, and Bajpai was over-ruled by the Machiavellis around him.

2. It is the politicians who divided SA in a manner which has made people all over unhappy - but the politicians thrived and still continue to thrive and keep loading Swiss banks at the cost of slaughter and blood of the peoples. If there is no acrimony, if there is no issue to fight about, then the politician will suffocate.

3. Peace in SA cannot and will not come with all the jargon, philosophies and great ideas we hear every day. It will come only when straight-forwards people who know what wars are, what human misery is, who have seen blood flow, who have killed and got killed - when these men in uniform are in power. We know this in BD and Pakistan. Ask around in India; most old soldiers feel the same way.
 
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1.That's incorrect. Ayub in 1962 and Mush as Prez sincerely sought peace with India. Nehru turned down Ayub because of his ego problem, and Bajpai was over-ruled by the Machiavellis around him.

2. It is the politicians who divided SA in a manner which has made people all over unhappy - but the politicians thrived and still continue to thrive and keep loading Swiss banks at the cost of slaughter and blood of the peoples. If there is no acrimony, if there is no issue to fight about, then the politician will suffocate.

3. Peace in SA cannot and will not come with all the jargon, philosophies and great ideas we hear every day. It will come only when straight-forwards people who know what wars are, what human misery is, who have seen blood flow, who have killed and got killed - when these men in uniform are in power. We know this in BD and Pakistan. Ask around in India; most old soldiers feel the same way.

There could not have been a worse example that the highlighted part above.

In fact what the Army has done / is doing in these states is exactly the reason why the law of the land must prevail.

The use of the Army is like using steroids - it gives the feeling of well being & improvement but has immense long term & permanent ( bad) side effects.
 
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Before the army was trying to keep the civilian government in check now the judiciary is trying to play the role and show it's muscle.

But after all this the civilain governments still does not stop repeating the mistakes of not working for the country.

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in this fight- the men in uniform have always won !
and these men in uniform also have vast people support. the army is successful in brainwashing the people against peace with India. hence they always won.

Yeah, I was born in a test tube with the ultimate genetic combination to become a super-soldier, raised in a propaganda camp somewhere in Kashmir where I was well indoctrinated in Anti-India propaganda and taught a number of techniques to kill innocent Indians with, did I mention I was trained by Alexander the Great and Hitler was my batch mate ?

GET A LIFE, STOP READING TOO MUCH COMICS, CANCEL YOUR INDIA TV SUBSCRIPTIONS, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAVE YOU BEFORE YOU LOSE YOUR MIND COMPLETELY !
 
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in this fight- the men in uniform have always won !
and these men in uniform also have vast people support. the army is successful in brainwashing the people against peace with India. hence they always won.
You're an Indian and you're saying our people is brainwashed? Have you ever seen Zee News? Within 10 minutes of even a bank robbery, they blame Pakistan
 
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