Pakistan removes third of its Army along Indian borders

[foxbat]

Kashmir is a bit exceptional case.

Well.. Everyone thinks they are special

 

[gogbot]

financed by uncle sam to safe the dignity and a**e of uncle sam, as it can not safe it on its own.

that is also a fact, which can't be let go.

I think your forgetting who has more to lose ,

Sure The US may loose a little . But they have been true worse.

Pakistan is the one that's on the ropes. IF the US looses so do you.

 

[Aslan]

I think your forgetting who has more to lose ,

Sure The US may loose a little . But they have been true worse.

Pakistan is the one that's on the ropes. IF the US looses so do you.

And that is your point of argument a bloody cartoon, we lost more since the uncle showed up. We have fixed their mess in a better way then them. You ask what if they leave today, well they were not there a decade ago, and guess what we were fine. So stop trolling.

 

[Areesh]

I think your forgetting who has more to lose ,

Sure The US may loose a little . But they have been true worse.

Pakistan is the one that's on the ropes. IF the US looses so do you.

The whole region has suffered badly due these two. From Kashmir to Afghanistan these two have created a lot of mess.

 

[TaimiKhan]

I think your forgetting who has more to lose ,

Sure The US may loose a little . But they have been true worse.

Pakistan is the one that's on the ropes. IF the US looses so do you.

And what are we gonna loose ??

Before 2001 and from late 80s we were already under sanctions, what did we loose then that we were gonna be wiped out from the face of the earth, or now what we will cease to exist.

Its good that you give dramatization to your point through these pictures, but in reality, US will loose more compared to us, they will loose their world standing to be a super power who could not defeat a rag tag bunch of Talibans equipped with just AK-47s & RPGs.

US will have the standing of a power which invades countries to make them prosper, but in the end makes its worse, take examples of Vietnam, then Iraq during 91 when they let Shiites on the mercy of Saddam who butchered them, even though US promised them to liberate from the tyrant, same tyrant who was equipped by them before.

So US has more to loose, compared to us.

We won't get aid, that will be good for us, as we may get some people with brains in this country who can work out things without aid and stuff like that. Which we did before and can do it again.

Loss of 1B$ of aid won't sink our ferry, rather it may strengthen us more to generate and spend funds from within.

 

[gogbot]

And what are we gonna loose ??

Before 2001 and from late 80s we were already under sanctions, what did we loose then that we were gonna be wiped out from the face of the earth, or now what we will cease to exist.

Back them you did not have to send the army to the countryside to take back the nation piece by piece.

Neither were their roaming bands of armed Islamofacists , roaming the nation , crossing the border at their whim.

And clearly if anything recent events have showed , they don't fear the Pak gov or the Army.

Its good that you give dramatization to your point through these pictures, but in reality, US will loose more compared to us, they will loose their world standing to be a super power who could not defeat a rag tag bunch of Talibans equipped with just AK-47s & RPGs.

It was already proved that superpowers can be defeated by a determined guerilla force , in Vietnam.

Nothing would change , if they lose.

Except the Taliban will have a rallying point.

US will have the standing of a power which invades countries to make them prosper, but in the end makes its worse, take examples of Vietnam, then Iraq during 91 when they let Shiites on the mercy of Saddam who butchered them, even though US promised them to liberate from the tyrant, same tyrant who was equipped by them before.

That standing already exists

So US has more to loose, compared to us.

The US is safe , all the way in North America.

The battlefield and theatre is in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

they lose politically , but at the end of the day it's not their neighbourhood. Nor will they suffer any of the real consequences.

We won't get aid, that will be good for us, as we may get some people with brains in this country who can work out things without aid and stuff like that. Which we did before and can do it again.

Loss of 1B$ of aid won't sink our ferry, rather it may strengthen us more to generate and spend funds from within.

The US was not just aid , it engaged the bulk of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

You remove them , the Taliban will set up bases in the border area's strengthen their positions and find new enemies to impose their ideal's on new enemies.

Which will now include Pakistan.

Even i the US leaves at this point , the naive belief that things will return to the status quo with the Taliban leaving Pak alone and taking power in Afghanistan.

There will be continued war in both countries.

if you leave them alone , how long before the next Sawt ?

If you face tm head on , what makes you think it will be any different then the US war in Afghanistan .

Even if the Pak army stabilizes PAk , what's stopping the Taliban this time from going to Afghanistan and set up there to wage a war against Pakistan.

There are two sides in this region , The US leaves if they win. The taliban will remain if they win. If you want the situation to return to the good times. The US has to win , if the Taliban , your stuck dealing with them.

If anything you should have realised you can't trust these people , remember Swat

 

[Aslan]

Back them you did not have to send the army to the countryside to take back the nation piece by piece.

Neither were their roaming bands of armed Islamofacists , roaming the nation , crossing the border at their whim.

And clearly if anything recent events have showed , they don't fear the Pak gov or the Army.



It was already proved that superpowers can be defeated by a determined guerilla force , in Vietnam.

Nothing would change , if they lose.

Except the Taliban will have a rallying point.



That standing already exists



The US is safe , all the way in North America.

The battlefield and theatre is in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

they lose politically , but at the end of the day it's not their neighbourhood. Nor will they suffer any of the real consequences.



The US was not just aid , it engaged the bulk of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

You remove them , the Taliban will set up bases in the border area's strengthen their positions and find new enemies to impose their ideal's on new enemies.

Which will now include Pakistan.

Even i the US leaves at this point , the naive belief that things will return to the status quo with the Taliban leaving Pak alone and taking power in Afghanistan.

There will be continued war in both countries.

if you leave them alone , how long before the next Sawt ?

If you face tm head on , what makes you think it will be any different then the US war in Afghanistan .

Even if the Pak army stabilizes PAk , what's stopping the Taliban this time from going to Afghanistan and set up there to wage a war against Pakistan.

There are two sides in this region , The US leaves if they win. The taliban will remain if they win. If you want the situation to return to the good times. The US has to win , if the Taliban , your stuck dealing with them.

If anything you should have realised you can't trust these people , remember Swat

And you got it all figured, I wonder if the likes of you are also advising your gov, because they do come up with some similar theories to keep us very interested.


Islamofacists: And what about the Hidu Fascists, or Christian Fascists. Well let me ask was Mussolini a Catholic Fascist, Never heard of that all I use to hear or read was Fascist. Similarly the Taliban's can be Fascists but Not the racist term you are using, as Islam dont teaches any one to be a fascist or a Nazi.


The definition of Fascism:
Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives, values, and systems such as the political system and the economy.[5][6] Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but gravitated to the political right in the early 1920s.[7][8] Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum


And if you can read it properly it clearly mentions that Fascism is an ideology based on political views. So How can you add Islam and Fascism in the same word. The Taliban's can be Fascists but they cant be Muslims, as Islam Prohibits unlawful killings of any innocent man women or child, of what ever faith religion or color. So get your facts right. And secondly stop acting like some one had stepped on your tail, and now you have to jump from thread to thread to moan and make your point, which is nothing more then glorified BS.

 

[gogbot]

And you got it all figured, I wonder if the likes of you are also advising your gov, because they do come up with some similar theories to keep us very interested.

i wouldn't even pretend to say i have anything figured out.
nor am i coming up with theories

what i say is still true , The Taliban won't simply go away when the US leaves , they have their own agenda and motives and they also happen to go against those of Pakistan.

If you want to say that the existence and continued fight of the Taliban after the the Hypothetical US withdrawal is theory , then i can't really help you understand that fact , any easier.

Islamofacists: And what about the Hidu Fascists, or Christian Fascists. Well let me ask was Mussolini a Catholic Fascist, Never heard of that all I use to hear or read was Fascist.

All them are just as much a menace to society as other religions radicals that share similar goals and agenda's .

Similarly the Taliban's can be Fascists but Not the racist term you are using, as Islam dont teaches any one to be a fascist or a Nazi.

I was trying to distance the Taliban from Normal Islam , that is practices by the billions.

It was by belief , the Islam would not be confused with Islamofacism ,
which is a different thing all together. but if having the name islam offend's you so much we can always change it to something else.
It's only name.

The definition of Fascism:
Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives, values, and systems such as the political system and the economy.[5][6] Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but gravitated to the political right in the early 1920s.[7][8] Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum


And if you can read it properly it clearly mentions that Fascism is an ideology based on political views. So How can you add Islam and Fascism in the same word. The Taliban's can be Fascists but they cant be Muslims, as Islam Prohibits unlawful killings of any innocent man women or child, of what ever faith religion or color. So get your facts right. And secondly stop acting like some one had stepped on your tail, and now you have to jump from thread to thread to moan and make your point, which is nothing more then glorified BS.

Fascism: is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.

Islamofacism: is a radical and authoritarian islamic ideology.

Hindu Fascism : is a radical and authoritarian hindu ideology.

Christian Fascism: is a radical and authoritarian Christian ideology.

Hope that clears things up for you.

If you want the taliban to be termed facists then go ahead. I am not disagreeing .

This is just political correctness. It happens

 

[Aslan]

@ gogbot

The only reason I dont like the religion to be associated with the terms Fascism, or Nazism, or any other kind of man made ism because the religion dont teach us what the talibs are trying to force down our throats. And secondly there are no 2 kinds of Islams, and nor do the terrorists represent any. They just want to play the card of religion for public sympathy , and nothing more. Lets leave it to it, as this thread is not related to the discussion we are getting into.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

So you'r admitting Pakistan can't even fix it's own nation without foreign help.

You need the US to hold your hand while you pinch their pockets with the other.

Pakistan don't know how to steal jobs (sorry outsource) from US so milk them in other way ,US will help Pakistan if its in its own interest.

 

[Hulk]

The funny thing is how people react to same action when the news is served differently. I remember sometimes back USA was saying we need Pakistan to move forces from east to help in west. Pakistani's were saying India is the danger and hence we cannot move anything. Now they are supporting bang opposite.

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

Lets think about this, terrorist have killed 25,000 Pakistanis in the last 7 years, India has killed how what 0 ? Pakistanis in the last 7 years, so where should the troops be.. is that a real hard question.

 

[asq]

no definitely not!! it's more of Pakistan realizing on which border lies it's main problems...

Are u kiddding, u don't remeber Banglsdesh, Kashmir etc etc.
Out main concern and danger is India not Afghnistan.

 

[asq]

So you'r admitting Pakistan can't even fix it's own nation without foreign help.

You need the US to hold your hand while you pinch their pockets with the other.

Here is my two cents worth Mr. gogbot.

I think that if foriegn troops left today there will be no reason for these ttp and tip to use young to fight their war.

It will be a win win situation as the lives of many young foriegn troops will be saved and not to mention billions of $$$$$. as this saving should be, and will be invested at home creating jobs and fixing economy.

U said it already in your post that these tip and ttp can never reach US and therefore again it will be a win win situation , multifold benefits.

About the money, Pakistan is spending more than anyone else on this war, be it innocent lives or be it money. Other should contrbute their fare share of it. noone is stealing any one's money. please do not put things that will effect the war efforts and make things worst for Pakistan.

 

[asq]

Lets think about this, terrorist have killed 25,000 Pakistanis in the last 7 years, India has killed how what 0 ? Pakistanis in the last 7 years, so where should the troops be.. is that a real hard question.

Where did u get this figure, read my post above that will answer ur question about how it can be done saving lots of young lives.