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agreed too. indians are juz here to make noise ...... dey weep like lil child baaaan baaaan baaaaaaaaaan
Pakistan rejects reports of nuclear insecurity
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agreed too. indians are juz here to make noise ...... dey weep like lil child baaaan baaaan baaaaaaaaaan
In response to the article, the article is full of stupidity.
First they say, some people think Pakistani nuclear missiles are not secure.
Next they say the Pentagon and the American government believe that Pakistani nuclear missiles are secure.
Finally they say the Chinese have come to some understanding that if America wants to "secure" Pakistani nukes, the Chinese wouldn't object, and they say unnamed American sources said this.
The whole article is total nonsense, full of hypocrisies, and its just for the "average" american's consumption.
First they say, some people think Pakistani nuclear missiles are not secure.
Next they say the Pentagon and the American government believe that Pakistani nuclear missiles are secure.
Finally they say the Chinese have come to some understanding that if America wants to "secure" Pakistani nukes, the Chinese wouldn't object, and they say unnamed American sources said this.
The whole article is total nonsense, full of hypocrisies, and its just for the "average" american's consumption.
The topic is written by somebody who seems to have copied other articles and come up with a nice "match the dots" theory.
But then again.. I remember the countless articles on Iraq's WMDs and how they were "ready to attack the free world with all sorts of Chemical,Biological and Nuclear weapons".. in 2002.
But then again.. I remember the countless articles on Iraq's WMDs and how they were "ready to attack the free world with all sorts of Chemical,Biological and Nuclear weapons".. in 2002.
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I agree with the post title but i dont think tht be necessary since we have raym0nd cousins on loose here.. 
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"CIA spy" Davis was giving nuclear bomb material to Al-Qaeda, says report
Sun, Feb 20, 2011 12:18 PM IST
London, Feb 20(ANI): Double murder-accused US official Raymond Davis has been found in possession of top-secret CIA documents, which point to him or the feared American Task Force 373 (TF373) operating in the region, providing Al-Qaeda terrorists with "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents," according to a report.
Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) is warning that the situation on the sub-continent has turned "grave" as it appears that open warfare is about to break out between Pakistan and the United States, The European Union Times reports.
The SVR warned in its report that the apprehension of 36-year-old Davis, who shot dead two Pakistani men in Lahore last month, had fuelled this crisis.
According to the report, the combat skills exhibited by Davis, along with documentation taken from him after his arrest, prove that he is a member of US' TF373 black operations unit currently operating in the Afghan War Theatre and Pakistan's tribal areas, the paper said.
While the US insists that Davis is one of their diplomats, and the two men he killed were robbers, Pakistan says that the duo were ISI agents sent to follow him after it was discovered that he had been making contact with al Qaeda, after his cell phone was tracked to the Waziristan tribal area bordering Afghanistan, the paper said.
The most ominous point in this SVR report is "Pakistan's ISI stating that top-secret CIA documents found in Davis's possession point to his, and/or TF373, providing to al Qaeda terrorists "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents", which they claim are to be used against the United States itself in order to ignite an all-out war in order to re-establish the West's hegemony over a Global economy that is warned is just months away from collapse," the paper added. (ANI)
http://in.news.yahoo.com/cia-spy-davis-giv...224833-452.html
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I agree with the post title but i dont think tht be necessary since we have raym0nd cousins on loose here..
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"CIA spy" Davis was giving nuclear bomb material to Al-Qaeda, says report
Sun, Feb 20, 2011 12:18 PM IST
London, Feb 20(ANI): Double murder-accused US official Raymond Davis has been found in possession of top-secret CIA documents, which point to him or the feared American Task Force 373 (TF373) operating in the region, providing Al-Qaeda terrorists with "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents," according to a report.
Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) is warning that the situation on the sub-continent has turned "grave" as it appears that open warfare is about to break out between Pakistan and the United States, The European Union Times reports.
The SVR warned in its report that the apprehension of 36-year-old Davis, who shot dead two Pakistani men in Lahore last month, had fuelled this crisis.
According to the report, the combat skills exhibited by Davis, along with documentation taken from him after his arrest, prove that he is a member of US' TF373 black operations unit currently operating in the Afghan War Theatre and Pakistan's tribal areas, the paper said.
While the US insists that Davis is one of their diplomats, and the two men he killed were robbers, Pakistan says that the duo were ISI agents sent to follow him after it was discovered that he had been making contact with al Qaeda, after his cell phone was tracked to the Waziristan tribal area bordering Afghanistan, the paper said.
The most ominous point in this SVR report is "Pakistan's ISI stating that top-secret CIA documents found in Davis's possession point to his, and/or TF373, providing to al Qaeda terrorists "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents", which they claim are to be used against the United States itself in order to ignite an all-out war in order to re-establish the West's hegemony over a Global economy that is warned is just months away from collapse," the paper added. (ANI)
http://in.news.yahoo.com/cia-spy-davis-giv...224833-452.html
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"CIA spy" Davis was giving nuclear bomb material to Al-Qaeda, says report
Sun, Feb 20, 2011 12:18 PM IST
London, Feb 20(ANI): Double murder-accused US official Raymond Davis has been found in possession of top-secret CIA documents, which point to him or the feared American Task Force 373 (TF373) operating in the region, providing Al-Qaeda terrorists with "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents," according to a report.
Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) is warning that the situation on the sub-continent has turned "grave" as it appears that open warfare is about to break out between Pakistan and the United States, The European Union Times reports.
The SVR warned in its report that the apprehension of 36-year-old Davis, who shot dead two Pakistani men in Lahore last month, had fuelled this crisis.
According to the report, the combat skills exhibited by Davis, along with documentation taken from him after his arrest, prove that he is a member of US' TF373 black operations unit currently operating in the Afghan War Theatre and Pakistan's tribal areas, the paper said.
While the US insists that Davis is one of their diplomats, and the two men he killed were robbers, Pakistan says that the duo were ISI agents sent to follow him after it was discovered that he had been making contact with al Qaeda, after his cell phone was tracked to the Waziristan tribal area bordering Afghanistan, the paper said.
The most ominous point in this SVR report is "Pakistan's ISI stating that top-secret CIA documents found in Davis's possession point to his, and/or TF373, providing to al Qaeda terrorists "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents", which they claim are to be used against the United States itself in order to ignite an all-out war in order to re-establish the West's hegemony over a Global economy that is warned is just months away from collapse," the paper added. (ANI)
http://in.news.yahoo.com/cia-spy-davis-giv...224833-452.html
---------- Post added at 01:01 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:00 AM ----------
I agree with the post title but i dont think tht be necessary since we have raym0nd cousins on loose here..
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"CIA spy" Davis was giving nuclear bomb material to Al-Qaeda, says report
Sun, Feb 20, 2011 12:18 PM IST
London, Feb 20(ANI): Double murder-accused US official Raymond Davis has been found in possession of top-secret CIA documents, which point to him or the feared American Task Force 373 (TF373) operating in the region, providing Al-Qaeda terrorists with "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents," according to a report.
Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) is warning that the situation on the sub-continent has turned "grave" as it appears that open warfare is about to break out between Pakistan and the United States, The European Union Times reports.
The SVR warned in its report that the apprehension of 36-year-old Davis, who shot dead two Pakistani men in Lahore last month, had fuelled this crisis.
According to the report, the combat skills exhibited by Davis, along with documentation taken from him after his arrest, prove that he is a member of US' TF373 black operations unit currently operating in the Afghan War Theatre and Pakistan's tribal areas, the paper said.
While the US insists that Davis is one of their diplomats, and the two men he killed were robbers, Pakistan says that the duo were ISI agents sent to follow him after it was discovered that he had been making contact with al Qaeda, after his cell phone was tracked to the Waziristan tribal area bordering Afghanistan, the paper said.
The most ominous point in this SVR report is "Pakistan's ISI stating that top-secret CIA documents found in Davis's possession point to his, and/or TF373, providing to al Qaeda terrorists "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents", which they claim are to be used against the United States itself in order to ignite an all-out war in order to re-establish the West's hegemony over a Global economy that is warned is just months away from collapse," the paper added. (ANI)
http://in.news.yahoo.com/cia-spy-davis-giv...224833-452.html
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Good idea ................... VANS are cool ...lol
Pakistan is taking nuclear paranoia to a horrifying new low. And its making the world a vastly more dangerous place in the process.
Freaked out about the insecurity of its nuclear arsenal, the Pakistani militarys Strategic Plans Division has begun carting the nukes around in clandestine ways. That might make some sense on the surface: no military wants to let others know exactly where its most powerful weapons are at any given moment. But Pakistan is going to an extreme.
The nukes travel in civilian-style vehicles without noticeable defenses, in the regular flow of traffic, according to a blockbuster story on the U.S.-Pakistan relationship in The Atlantic. Marc Ambinder and Jeffrey Goldberg write that tactical nuclear weapons travel down the streets in vans with a modest security profile. Somewhere on a highway around, say, Karachi, is the worlds most dangerous 1-800-FLOWERS truck.
Tom Clancy should be suing Pakistani generals for ripping off the basic idea behind The Sum Of All Fears. Youll recall that Pakistan is home to al-Qaida, a particularly fearsome version of the Taliban, the leadership of the old-school Taliban, its friends in the Haqqani Network and a host of anti-Indian terrorist groups that the Pakistani intelligence service employ as proxies. Sometimes the Pakistani military helps these terrorist and insurgent groups attack U.S. troops in Afghanistan. And any one of these groups would love a chance to wield a nuclear weapon.
Except that Pakistan isnt trying to safeguard its nukes from them. Its trying to safeguard its nukes from us. The Navy SEAL raid in Abbottabad that killed Osama bin Laden has made important Pakistani generals think that the U.S. militarys next target is Pakistani nukes. So off the vans go, along what Ambinder and Goldberg term congested and dangerous roads, trying to throw off the scent of the U.S., with little more than hope to protect them from an adventurous highwayman.
The irony is that the U.S. isnt planning to steal Pakistans nukes but Pakistans cavalier attitude toward nuclear security is making the U.S. think twice about whether it should revise some worst-case-scenario contingency planning.
Should any of the nukes go missing, an Abbottabad redux would likely occur, Ambinder and Goldberg report. An anonymous military official tells the pair that the Joint Special Operations Command has units and aircraft and parachutes on alert in the region for nuclear issues, and regularly inserts units and equipment for prep. Seizing Pakistani nukes during or after a military coup is a much harder mission, but the reporters consider it doable. ts wise for the U.S. to try to design a plan for seizing Pakistans nuclear weapons in a low-risk manner, Goldberg and Ambinder advise, placing a lot of rhetorical freight on the words low-risk.
That is, if the U.S. actually knows where the nukes are. Anyone who tells you that they know where all of Pakistans nukes are is lying to you, ex-national security adviser Jim Jones allegedly said. The Econolines of Doom make that knowledge even more uncertain.
All of which points to the self-reinforcing downward spiral of the U.S.-Pakistan relationship. U.S. cash continues to go into the Pakistanis pockets, and from there into the hands of anti-American terrorists. There is, for many justified reasons, absolutely no trust between either sides security services and militaries. There is also no alternative to the toxic relationship that anyone cited in the Atlantic piece is willing to contemplate. (When I recently suggested that the U.S. cut off aid and continue the drone war until Pakistan reins in terror groups, I got blasted on Twitter as a warmonger.) There is no escaping this vexed relationship, Ambinder and Goldberg conclude, reflecting the conventional wisdom in Washington and Islamabad.
Which sinks the U.S. into the nadir of absurdity. It funds a terrorist-sponsoring state while conducting a massive undeclared war on part of that states territory. It wants that states assistance to end the Afghanistan war while that states soldiers help insurgents wage it. And seeking a world without nuclear weapons while its Major Non-NATO Ally drastically increases the probability that terrorists will acquire a the most dangerous weapon of all.
Pakistan Carts Its Nukes Around In Delivery Vans | Danger Room | Wired.com
Freaked out about the insecurity of its nuclear arsenal, the Pakistani militarys Strategic Plans Division has begun carting the nukes around in clandestine ways. That might make some sense on the surface: no military wants to let others know exactly where its most powerful weapons are at any given moment. But Pakistan is going to an extreme.
The nukes travel in civilian-style vehicles without noticeable defenses, in the regular flow of traffic, according to a blockbuster story on the U.S.-Pakistan relationship in The Atlantic. Marc Ambinder and Jeffrey Goldberg write that tactical nuclear weapons travel down the streets in vans with a modest security profile. Somewhere on a highway around, say, Karachi, is the worlds most dangerous 1-800-FLOWERS truck.
Tom Clancy should be suing Pakistani generals for ripping off the basic idea behind The Sum Of All Fears. Youll recall that Pakistan is home to al-Qaida, a particularly fearsome version of the Taliban, the leadership of the old-school Taliban, its friends in the Haqqani Network and a host of anti-Indian terrorist groups that the Pakistani intelligence service employ as proxies. Sometimes the Pakistani military helps these terrorist and insurgent groups attack U.S. troops in Afghanistan. And any one of these groups would love a chance to wield a nuclear weapon.
Except that Pakistan isnt trying to safeguard its nukes from them. Its trying to safeguard its nukes from us. The Navy SEAL raid in Abbottabad that killed Osama bin Laden has made important Pakistani generals think that the U.S. militarys next target is Pakistani nukes. So off the vans go, along what Ambinder and Goldberg term congested and dangerous roads, trying to throw off the scent of the U.S., with little more than hope to protect them from an adventurous highwayman.
The irony is that the U.S. isnt planning to steal Pakistans nukes but Pakistans cavalier attitude toward nuclear security is making the U.S. think twice about whether it should revise some worst-case-scenario contingency planning.
Should any of the nukes go missing, an Abbottabad redux would likely occur, Ambinder and Goldberg report. An anonymous military official tells the pair that the Joint Special Operations Command has units and aircraft and parachutes on alert in the region for nuclear issues, and regularly inserts units and equipment for prep. Seizing Pakistani nukes during or after a military coup is a much harder mission, but the reporters consider it doable. ts wise for the U.S. to try to design a plan for seizing Pakistans nuclear weapons in a low-risk manner, Goldberg and Ambinder advise, placing a lot of rhetorical freight on the words low-risk.
That is, if the U.S. actually knows where the nukes are. Anyone who tells you that they know where all of Pakistans nukes are is lying to you, ex-national security adviser Jim Jones allegedly said. The Econolines of Doom make that knowledge even more uncertain.
All of which points to the self-reinforcing downward spiral of the U.S.-Pakistan relationship. U.S. cash continues to go into the Pakistanis pockets, and from there into the hands of anti-American terrorists. There is, for many justified reasons, absolutely no trust between either sides security services and militaries. There is also no alternative to the toxic relationship that anyone cited in the Atlantic piece is willing to contemplate. (When I recently suggested that the U.S. cut off aid and continue the drone war until Pakistan reins in terror groups, I got blasted on Twitter as a warmonger.) There is no escaping this vexed relationship, Ambinder and Goldberg conclude, reflecting the conventional wisdom in Washington and Islamabad.
Which sinks the U.S. into the nadir of absurdity. It funds a terrorist-sponsoring state while conducting a massive undeclared war on part of that states territory. It wants that states assistance to end the Afghanistan war while that states soldiers help insurgents wage it. And seeking a world without nuclear weapons while its Major Non-NATO Ally drastically increases the probability that terrorists will acquire a the most dangerous weapon of all.
Pakistan Carts Its Nukes Around In Delivery Vans | Danger Room | Wired.com
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It seems tht our nukes r not nukes but vegies... every lallu talks abt them being stolen.
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It looks like Pakistan army does not have nukes but cucumber and carrots..perhaps a few of these cucumbers for every american diplomat mouth could shut such ridiculous theories off. This script may be good for a cheap bollywood james bond rip-off movie but doesnt work in reality!
And the image used in this article is a popular american van model used for milk, bread and post delivery!
Wired is often used as a launch pad for not so bright journalist to start their career and being Pak-o-phobic and islamophobic is guaranteed cash especially in tough economic times like these!
A logical question, why would Pakistan need to transport its nukes in a van?? It can mount them in shipping containers which can then be converted instantly to TEL mode..
And the image used in this article is a popular american van model used for milk, bread and post delivery!
Wired is often used as a launch pad for not so bright journalist to start their career and being Pak-o-phobic and islamophobic is guaranteed cash especially in tough economic times like these!
A logical question, why would Pakistan need to transport its nukes in a van?? It can mount them in shipping containers which can then be converted instantly to TEL mode..
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Arent we doing just tht?arent u negotiating with taliban?
Abt nukes...whose going to do tht my friend?USA?we r not iraq,vietnam or afghanistan... we have a standing army of over 1 million men(including paramilitary forces)with nukes n an ICBM project... ever house has a weapon or 2... can u afford a war with Pakistan?
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Like I said in the other thread, it is impossible to grab 100+ nukes at the same time.
In the very best case scenario for America, they might be able to get 30-50 of them.
But there would still be 50-70 left, which have a very high probability of being used in this scenario, due to the fact that nukes are "use it or lose it" weapons.
So the idea that anyone could rob Pakistan of their nukes is ridiculous. If anyone even tried, the only result would be a nuclear nightmare.
In the very best case scenario for America, they might be able to get 30-50 of them.
But there would still be 50-70 left, which have a very high probability of being used in this scenario, due to the fact that nukes are "use it or lose it" weapons.
So the idea that anyone could rob Pakistan of their nukes is ridiculous. If anyone even tried, the only result would be a nuclear nightmare.
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Oh man the responsible people need to do something about these nukes.
What if OBL was given access to some nuke components, he was hosted near to a military facility too ...
And others need to exercise more intellect when reading and writing.
Read what I wrote above again.
On the topic:
I once saw a guy on a CD-70 with a 5 megaton warhead in a shopping bag hanging from the handle bars. It had the radiation hazard sign and everything on it. True story.........
Stupid article nothing more. Dont waste time on it.LOl Omfg, are you so ignorant...News Flash, Taliban isn't massacring ppl in our country, they are running around in your streets, military bases, hotels, and where not. We don't have any nukes in Afghanistan to protect.
Lol and we can just pay off your army like when we strolled in to chit-chat with OBL. We even brought our dog along
We just need to stay away and bomb you to the stone age, youe million strong army can do shyt about that
Puberty..........?
It looks like Pakistan army does not have nukes but cucumber and carrots..perhaps a few of these cucumbers for every american diplomat mouth could shut such ridiculous theories off. This script may be good for a cheap bollywood james bond rip-off movie but doesnt work in reality!
And the image used in this article is a popular american van model used for milk, bread and post delivery!
Wired is often used as a launch pad for not so bright journalist to start their career and being Pak-o-phobic and islamophobic is guaranteed cash especially in tough economic times like these!
A logical question, why would Pakistan need to transport its nukes in a van?? It can mount them in shipping containers which can then be converted instantly to TEL mode..
I was laughing so hard when I read the thread article and when I read your post.
Rednecks are making hollywood scripts/james bond scripts.
What next?
Jame Bond teaming up with the CIA to go to Pakistan to infiltrate a secret Pakistani nuclear facility?
Or back from Pakistan not with love, but with Nuclear secrets in Bin Laden's Mountainous Grand Palace in the Himalayas in Gilgit-Baltistan with DVDs of pornography?
lol, westerners love fantasies!
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This is brilliant strategy considering the danger to Pak nukes is not from Taliban but from overbearing UNCLE SAM. The nukes are not put together with all the component parts together. Even if Taliban get their hands on fissile material , they would'nt know what to do with it. Fissile materials are useless without the Detonation apparatus.
Keep rotating the locations to keep the yankees guessing. The important thing to do is to kick out all the US trainers out of Pakistan. These are CIA operatives and are upto no good. Kick em out because all they are doing is snooping around for the nukes.
Keep rotating the locations to keep the yankees guessing. The important thing to do is to kick out all the US trainers out of Pakistan. These are CIA operatives and are upto no good. Kick em out because all they are doing is snooping around for the nukes.
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