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Pakistan rejects BRICS' statement on militant groups

so here you accept india is bad = a state run terrorism.
India must stop terrorism in Indian occupied Kashmir.
Elect leaders who can raise such issues internationally

Or You can join Burhan Wani brigade yourself

Or Better Still Ask your mighty Establishment to fight and free the Kashmiris

Stop Crying :cray: Do something concrete
 
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I am just curious - have they only talked about these alphabet soup orgs the whole time???? What's about Doklam, AP, SCS, NK, IOR, OBOR etc.????? If this is the case, I'll it term it as a Pak success for the most critical issues concerning your mortal enemies have been overlooked, that means no room for negotiation or diplomacy - only raw power projection and utilization!!!! Elhamdulillah!!!

No, of course not. The joint statement was forty+ pages and obviously contained many different things. Even the part which is being mentioned and twisted to suit one's own narrative, mentions a lot of things. Their focus is simply the name of terrorists groups, which operate in Pakistan. Strangely, that is the only thing certain nationalities can fixate on. They are happy because the statement mentions and condemns the actions of groups already "banned under Pakistani law", being fought by the Pakistan military and are terming it as Islamabad's diplomatic failure. Now, how ridiculous is that?
 
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It's worse than that: the Declaration was very specific:


"...We strongly condemn terrorist attacks resulting in death to innocent Afghan nationals. There is a need for immediate cessation of violence. We reaffirm our support to the people of Afghanistan in their efforts to achieve "Afghan-led and Afghan-owned" peace and national reconciliation, to the ongoing international efforts...We support the efforts of the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces in fighting terrorist organizations.

"We, in this regard, express concern on the security situation in the region and violence caused by the Taliban, ISIL/DAISH, Al-Qaida and its affiliates including Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, the Haqqani network, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammad, TTP and Hizb ut-Tahrir.


"We deplore all terrorist attacks worldwide, including attacks in BRICS countries, and condemn terrorism in all its forms and manifestations wherever committed and by whomsoever and stress that there can be no justification whatsoever for any act of terrorism. We reaffirm that those responsible for committing, organizing, or supporting terrorist acts must be held accountable. Recalling the primary leading role and responsibility of states in preventing and countering terrorism, we stress the necessity to develop international cooperation, in accordance with the principles of international law, including that of sovereign equality of states and non-interference in their internal affairs. We reaffirm solidarity and resolve in the fight against terrorism, value the 2nd BRICS Counter-Terrorism Working Group Meeting held in Beijing on 18 May 2017, and agree to strengthen our cooperation.

We call upon all nations to adopt a comprehensive approach in combating terrorism, which should include countering radicalization, recruitment, movement of terrorists including Foreign Terrorist Fighters, blocking sources of financing terrorism including, for instance, through organized crime by means of money-laundering, supply of weapons, drug trafficking and other criminal activities, dismantling terrorist bases, and countering misuse of the Internet including social media by terrorist entities through misuse of the latest Information and Communication Technologies (ICTs). We are committed to prevent and counter the growing spread of terrorist narratives, and to tackle all sources, techniques and channels of terrorist financing. We call for swift and effective implementation of relevant UNSC Resolutions -"
This is an ultimatum in all but name: a message that this is Pakistan's last chance to change course without at the very least "losing face", as the Chinese put it. The bit about "sovereign equality of states" and citing UN obligations and what are the terms UNSCR 1373 (which limits such sovereignty) is a kind of line in the sand.

As German newspaper Deutsche Welles puts it:

Pakistan's foreign policy in a nutshell: As long as China is backing us, we don't have to worry about the United States or the rest of the world.

But China is not backing Pakistan's policies any more. Now what will Pakistan's policymakers do?

One more thing: this game of foreign leaders saying one thing publicly and then Pakistani leaders claiming to their own people that foreign leaders reversed themselves in private conversations [link] is also a driver in Pakistan's diplomatic isolation: no foreign official can have any assurance that a private conversation with a Pakistani official won't be mis-represented. So the dirty laundry has to be discussed in the open, putting a premium on posturing and egos. Not a good thing. Perhaps ordinary Pakistanis and the Pakistani media can do something to lower tempers by not taking such claims at face value and calling their officials to account?

Is it really specific? To me, it seems like a general statement condemning the actions of terrorists groups operating in the broader region and not even strictly limited to Afghanistan/Pakistan (as being understood by many), calling for action against them by the countries in the region, coupled with a lot of cliches and diplomatic jargon. The Govt of Pakistan and the Pakistani people would even agree with most of it, since these groups have been openly involved in terrorism in the country and the state is at war with them. I really can't find anything which directly or by implication blames the state of Pakistan for the actions of mentioned terrorists groups, in this statement. Au contraire, the Russian and Chinese Govts have already praised Pakistani efforts in the War on Terror, called for its sacrifices and contributions to be appreciated, recently after Mr. Trump's statement. Now, that is something, that everyone can clearly see.

The rest of your long post, is merely wild guessing mixed with extreme interpretations.
 
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No, of course not. The joint statement was forty+ pages and obviously contained many different things. Even the part which is being mentioned and twisted to suit one's own narrative, mentions a lot of things. Their focus is simply the name of terrorists groups, which operate in Pakistan. Strangely, that is the only thing certain nationalities can fixate on. They are happy because the statement mentions and condemns the actions of groups already "banned under Pakistani law", being fought by the Pakistan military and are terming it as Islamabad's diplomatic failure. Now, how ridiculous is that?
The fact is organizations are banned only for name sake.
I can provide many link for their show and road show and even interview in Pak channels. They told to support for terrorists in India.

Now, world is not ready to being fool which pakistan is doing from many years. World is asking to take actions against terrorists groups.

Now, again problem with pakistan is good terrorists and bad terrorists.
 
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Is it really specific? To me, it seems like a general statement condemning the actions of terrorists groups operating in the broader region and not even strictly limited to Afghanistan/Pakistan (as being understood by many), calling for action against them by the countries in the region, coupled with a lot of cliches and diplomatic jargon. The Govt of Pakistan and the Pakistani people would even agree with most of it, since these groups have been openly involved in terrorism in the country and the state is at war with them. I really can't find anything which directly or by implication blames the state of Pakistan for the actions of mentioned terrorists groups, in this statement. Au contraire, the Russian and Chinese Govts have already praised Pakistani efforts in the War on Terror, called for its sacrifices and contributions to be appreciated, recently after Mr. Trump's statement. Now, that is something, that everyone can clearly see.

The rest of your long post, is merely wild guessing mixed with extreme interpretations.


And yet Pakistan is the only one that rejects the BRICS statement. Why would it do that unless the statements have hit closer to home.
 
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But China is not backing Pakistan's policies any more. Now what will Pakistan's policymakers do?


Pakistan's policy makers should wait till UK etc and india ban Hizb ut-Tahrir as Pakistan has already banned it.

Laughable .............. the whole declaration signed by india and supported by rest.

"We, in this regard, express concern on the security situation in the region and violence caused by the Taliban, ISIL/DAISH, Al-Qaida and its affiliates including Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, the Haqqani network, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammad, TTP and Hizb ut-Tahrir".
 
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If he was where the **** was his body? Why was it not shown to the world like Saddam Hussian was after he was found.

That was really Epic Brother !
Next Lets Question if Humans "really need" Oxygen to breathe .. Sounds Logical to me...
 
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And yet Pakistan is the only one that rejects the BRICS statement. Why would it do that unless the statements have hit closer to home.

Congratulations!

You just proved yourself to be another intellectually dishonest member, who doesn't bother reading the news he's giving his opinions on, but jumps on the bandwagon after merely reading the title. Now go back and see what the defense minister actually said. See if you can find the rejection part and then we will talk about what Pakistan did or didn't do.

The fact is organizations are banned only for name sake.

Can you prove that "fact"?
 
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But But But Pakistan is becoming china colony by some indians how can they reject china :(
 
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Inclusion of name of groups which Pakistani establishment believe are pro Kashmires or anti Indians in a conference that was supposed to be primarily for economic reasons. Remember this conference took place in the background of recent china India border clash. Despite on the back-foot India managed to include those groups in the joint statement . Whether Pakistan accepts it or not is another thing.
They are NOT pro occupied kashmir or anti india, they are simply pro Pakistan. They showed themselves as enemy of enemies of Pakistan.
 
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If they can room freely inside Pakistan and hold rallies frequently than they are not considered terrorists by the state of Pakistan. Hence the condemnation.

Yes right we all know about the freedom for the most wanted men by India holding a rally for the most wanted men in the world
 
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This shift has not occurred suddenly but due to continued Indian diplomatic efforts. Credit where credit due

Oversimplification, my friend. That shift, over a considerable period of time, doesn't come from Indian diplomatic efforts alone. Though, I would gladly agree that your diplomacy has always been better at ours, at nearly everything. Military blunders, geo-politics and lack of self-reliance have all played their part. But this time, I believe, that the state of Pakistan is more than sincere in its efforts to combat terrorism and there's no double-dealing on this particular issue.
 
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That was really Epic Brother !
Next Lets Question if Humans "really need" Oxygen to breathe .. Sounds Logical to me...
Dont doge the question just because you dont have an answer to it. Ok let me ask you another question
How come a country who regularly accuses, blames and threaten Pakistan over Haqqani network seldom speaks about Pakistan's role in habouring Osama? In fact they did quite the opposite and defended Pakistan and its institutions over OBL.
 
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BRICS has its own agenda. We can largely ignore the one sided statements which is meant to appease India. They are throwing a bone, but we know how things work in political affairs. Statements change from moment to moment.

Pakistan will soon hold important consultations with China and Russia which are the most important members of BRICS. We will explain our situation and position like we always have.

India needs to stop using Afghanistan as a terror base against Pakistan. Once the terror activities seize we can think about other things. Until then it is all empty rhetoric. We have heard it all before and we have been there.
 
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Dont doge the question just because you dont have an answer to it. Ok let me ask you another question
How come a country who regularly accuses, blames and threaten Pakistan over Haqqani network seldom speaks about Pakistan's role in habouring Osama? In fact they did quite the opposite and defended Pakistan and its institutions over OBL.

Dodge ?
Let me put it another way, many believed that Sun revolves around the Earth. It was a Lie.

OBL was not in Pakistan, Kasab was Not from Pakistan, Pakistan never did 26/11, AQ Khan Never sold Nukes.
Sure. Thats the Truth, I wont waste my energy to convince you.

PS : I doubt if there are any parallels to these names in History, Coincidentally All originating from the same source.
 
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