I apologize, I take back my rude remark. It's frustrating when I have to keep pointing out that twitter is not a proper journalistic/academic source, but you keep using it as such.
Having said that, both the CMs, and religious leaders were put under detention, along with thousands of people, mostly men and young boys. All of this happened after revoking a370.
Anyway, there is a lock down, whether you believe it or not.
https://theglobepost.com/2020/02/05/kashmir-misery/
I'd rather see if there is any material in the source than blindly discrediting it. I too apologize for the rude remarks, any personal attacks, and passive-aggressive comments that have been said in the discussion. I'm not aggravated or anything, I hope you aren't either.
Yes, politicians are put under house arrest. Many are released too, on a timely basis. And there is no evidence for boys being held in detention, the High Court of Jammu and Kashmir investigated the claim and found it fake.
Again all the news agencies are talking or focused on is the internet shut down or what happened during the early days of shut down which in fact was a statewide curfew, I agree on that. Nobody talks about freedom of travel, that's the biggest thing. If you're barred from leaving that's effectively making a state, total prison.
Which, is your original argument that Kashmiris are in some house detention and are not moving from place to place. That's not true at all.
Once again, all these are consequential of the internet shut down and security situation. Also, tourism in Kashmir
was already on the decline the Pulwama attack was a nail in the coffin. Another issue is competition from Ladakh, who has a better security situation people in Kargil are welcoming and helpful compared to Sri Nagar. I'm surprised they even got 4000 tourists to visit in September after all things happened.
Police officer? Someone who's check is paid by the central government? That's your source? And you wanna complain about a politician's daughter?
Please don't talk about shady sources, when you're providing that exact thing.
As for the link, that's a very cherry picked link, as its ONLY talking about the internet access aspect of the lock down. It does not mention any other events relating to the lock down, such as the CMs being under arrest, or a time line.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good article, the problem is that you're presenting it in a misleading manner.
Like I said, he provided showed a enough evidence to prove there was no travel restrictions, I hope you are reading the links you posted, assuming you accept what's written there, not just looked at the fiery headline. People are still visiting the place and traveling around. What more evidence you want for free movement?
I don't understand this affection for shady politicians. Party leaders of PDP (Muftis) and NC ( O. Abdullah) are under preventive custody, inorder to avoid any violent protests. It's a strategy adopted by the government to not make these people the middle man. Deal directly with the public, and babus. Whether it works or not, is yet to be seen.
You know what? Let's assume I agree with you, and that there is no longer lock down currently in place.
Why is there still a communication blockade? What is the point of it?
If India really does consider Kashmiris as it's own, why impose a lock down in the first place?
Why arrest political and religious leaders, the former of whom aren't even anti-India? Why arrest thousands, if they are your own people?
If you thought of them as your own people, why turn the only muslim majority region into a union territory, and take away all of their rights as a unionist state?
You don't do any of this, if you think if them as your own people.
The reason why I'm asking this is because we've strayed from the original point, and are arguing semantics and pointless details.
For one, we don't use social media and the internet responsibly. The government knows the power of it, we have had communal violence just because someone made derogatory remarks over another 'god'. I know similar things happen in Pakistan.
Now, this thing you said about kids under detention, that was first reported by Sheila Rashid a Kashmiri student who came to know it from a phone call she made. See where that got, even high court had to intervene after an uproar from the Indian public. Why should the government risk a mass violence when they can simply crackdown on the internet.
Right after Art 370 was repealed, both party leaders made some 'interesting' remarks, of course, it's their anger in losing political hold, but it came out wrong. Despite being pro India, they tried to instigate their party workers hence the detention. They'll be let go after security situation improves.
As for splitting the state into Union territories.
Ladakh region always complained the Kashmiris don't represent them enough, and simply because Kashmir is highly populated most MLA's are from Sunni Majority Kashmir while Shia Majority Kargil and Buddhist Majority Leh were sidelined. The bifurcation of state was a long-standing request which was impossible when art 370 stands.
Now, Jammu and Kashmir, a lot of districts in these regions have militancy issue. The army cannot engage in law and order issue, JK Police was under state government control. This made whoever is in power effectively controlling most of the security situation. Pulwama probably was a breakpoint when the government realized state government is unreliable and the central government needs to control the JKP. Hence they made it to Union territory. Another reason is the handling of funds, the Indian government cannot audit Jammu and Kashmir, they just take the funds and do whatever they want with it, there is no Audit from AG.
These are relevant points to discuss, the only point we frayed from the topic is about the Indian economy, which I feel is not relevant. But I'll address them one last time, and let's agree to disagree on them.
I read them. The first two links talk about how increased bank accounts has led to a monthly increase of 0.8% in the tax base.
Yes, that'll be 10% growth for the year.
5% on 3 trillion for a population of 1.2 billion, that's nothing,, and you know it.
Also,, why would I bringing up the happiness index? That index has nothing to do with our current debate.
I'm not saying 5% is all we need, I certainly need more. But, when the economy stagnates, they don't grow at 5%. To be called a stagnation, India would grow at a mere 2 or 3% or less.
The happiness index was the passive-aggressive part. I drop it.
Assuming that's true, what was the increase in bank accounts right after the demonetization?
I'm willing to concede on the gsp situation, though I'm still unsure if it was directly as a result of the demonetization, or the articles are just jumping to conclusions.
What I won't concede though is that India's economy isn't doing well.
Around 10 - 30% after demonetization. These are estimates because the data available is for 2017 right after the demonetization which showed a 30% increase in a bank account. Shown in the previous link.
As mentioned India is going through a lot of structural changes, we are in at a crucial point.
I can list them out. Manufacturing Sector( 2nd largest) was affected by regulatory advice for early adoption of (Bharat Stage) BS-6 emission warranty leapfrogging from BS 4 and government decision to ban old vehicles for pollution control. So, the uncertainty regarding BS 4 and BS 6 forced consumers from not buying and wait the transformation out. This affected, steel, other manufacturers, a lot of jobs were lost.
The real estate sector was greatly affected by demonetization and establishing a Regulatory body, which was adopted by the states only in 2018. The slump in the sector drove down demand for steel, cement and again jobs.
Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code was enacted to tackle Bank NPAs which only recently began to take effect. The banking sector was saddled with bad loans which lead to Banks giving fewer loans.
I hope you get it. Your links talk about the reaction of all these, and some criticism of Modi with exaggerated words like stagnation and economic recession I don't know if these people knew the definition of all that.
Kashmir is not Indian politics. If you haven't forgotten, it's a disputed territory, and both sides control half of it.
Even the whole CAA situation isn't India's internal politics, as it directly mentions and involves citizens from other nations, including Pakistan.
Finally, I can say the same thing to India. Once India stops its BS plans to try and gain regional hegemony, stop supporting fascist militants, and imposing illegal blockades on neighboring nations, maybe there would be less hostility.
Kashmir's autonomy was shaved of bit by bit by both India and Pakistan. Not to mention, you gifted part of the disputed territory to China. What kind of dispute is this, how do you plan to evict Chinese troops from Aksai Chin or Shaksgam Valley? What locus standi you have when you violated terms by changing the geography unilaterally.
CAA is pretty much internal issue as that talks about refugees who are already in India, left Pakistan for good with dec 2014 as the cutoff date. Or NRC, all these are strictly an internal matter of India. Have you seen Modi talking about the ideology of any PTI or PMLN in a world stage? Or directly addressing IK for snide remarks?
Why Pakistani government cares so much about who Indians vote? This is the second time your government requested people to not vote for Modi. Is this the new normal?
Those kind of blanket statements are hypocritical at best. We don't sponsor any fascist militants, tweeting Fascism, Modi, RSS in a loop, doesn't make it true.
Try reading my comment. I said there is no evidence, and Pakistan will probably be off the grey list soon enough anyway. The whole fatf situation was political anyway.
Pakistan probably does sponsor militants in Kashmir, but so does India in balochistan and the tribal belt (bla, ttp, JuA...etc).
I'm not gonna deny this, nor am I gonna play the morality card with you.
It's all a part of geopolitics. India and Pakistan both do terrible things, it's a fact of geopolitics.
On the contrary, you're staying in FATF's '50 shades of grey' list because of the politics. You should've been blacklisted long back for simply sponsoring militants in India. There is more than enough evidence for the direct involvement of Pakistan state. Even Imran admitted to it while in the US. You should see his interview bites where he talks about how necessary it was to support militancy.
I don't need you to accept or deny anything, that part was well covered by testimonies and evidence from multiple agencies. But a lot of things changed since 9/11.
Afzal Guru, from the beginning said he was being framed, and pointed out the officer in question. No one believed him, and now it's being shown that maybe he was right, considering that officer has been arrested.
For someone who's nig on chronological events, and how times change, you're very nitpicky with it.
25 years ago, and today are different, your comment is ridiculous, and you know it.
All of the evidence was circumstantial, I like to believe he was innocent and victim of an angry public reaction, but the mountain of evidence was against him. A police officer as accomplice might not have saved him from the fate. Only it would have taken out that dangerous mole early if we had believed him.
Most damming of all came when witnesses identified him along with the militants at multiple locations, like getting Mobile phones, introducing landlords. SAR Geelani and other convicts also testified against Guru. Not to mention the unnecessary interview he gave to the media.
