Pakistan President to Visit China, a Valued Ally

[Imran Khan]

remember this also is fact

China sees its relationship with Pakistan as a way to counter-balance growing US ties with India

 

[batmannow]

remember this also is fact:

China sees its relationship with Pakistan as a way to counter-balance growing US ties with India

colonel khan, sir
you are right but, it is not china's responsibility to help us, but its a greatness of our great friend, who knows the hidden agenda of captilists, hypocrates, who were trying to remove pakistan and then china from the map of the world?
china already showed the world that , with all the experties of the managment of money, and with hunderds of years of unhuman, occupation of the resources, and the lands of week nations, these captilists are beging to greart CHINA FOR BAIL OUT.
But its great china's greatness, that it doesnt think negative?

 

[Black Stone]

Dear imran khan, sir
ya, its a real friend ship, and the only one i guss!
the beauty of this friendship is that china never demanded anythingfrom us, but still they are ready to give, whatever we want, i guss even in the case of US-ISRAEL relationship , coudnt match , our frienship with GREAT CHINA.
long live GREAT CHINA.
LONG LIVE chinese people.
LONG LIVE GREAT LEADERSHIP OF CHAIRMAN MAO.

batmannow, if you don't work in the Pakistan Embassy in Beijing then that is a waste of your talent.

From your post, you said that China never demanded anything from Pakistan. I want to ask you...Do you think Paksitan should offer something back and not make it like it is a one-way deal?.

If so, what can Pakistan offer the Chinese?.

 

[batmannow]

batmannow, if you don't work in the Pakistan Embassy in Beijing then that is a waste of your talent.

From your post, you said that China never demanded anything from Pakistan. I want to ask you...Do you think Paksitan should offer something back and not make it like it is a one-way deal?.

If so, what can Pakistan offer the Chinese?.

Black Stone;
i guss, why dont get any chance to become spokes person for fox news, i think you got, great talent too! plz dont waste your time try it may be they need something like you
i think,we can offer our love & our real friendship to our great friend, what captilist UNHUMAN USA , cant & never have & never will get ?(REAL FRENDSHIP & real love), yes pakistan is & was offerening its great love, & great friendship to its great friend great CHINA.

 

[Imran Khan]

batmannow, if you don't work in the Pakistan Embassy in Beijing then that is a waste of your talent

.

we need him here thats why

why dont get any chance to become spokes person for fox news,

they have so many stones already

From your post, you said that China never demanded anything from Pakistan. I want to ask you...Do you think Paksitan should offer something back and not make it like it is a one-way deal?.

we will back only $ to chaina but we pay $ toUS and give him our self respect also US will black mail us why?

 

[batmannow]

.

we need him here thats why



they have so many stones already




we will back only $ to chaina but we pay $ toUS and give him our self respect also US will black mail us why?

Dear colonel, khan, sir
i dont know, what i had did wrong, and why these people always hate me, but i realy dont care, because i get people like you, behind me always.
thanks a lot sir.

 

[Imran Khan]

Dear colonel, khan, sir
i dont know, what i had did wrong, and why these people always hate me, but i realy dont care, because i get people like you, behind me always.
thanks a lot sir.

no body hate you and please don't think like this . its forum every one have freedom to post.but we have good mods and super mods they handle every thing.

 

[kvLin]

I hope finally some good things will happen for us & inshallah China will help ! but i must say lol Zardari always has a funny koolaid smile on all the time when it comes to $ !

Zardari comes across as a merchant prince rather than a statesman

whatever,I think China wont watch Pakistan go bankrupt.

My best wishes to Pak.

 

[Imran Khan]

what will happen if zardari visit china every three months ?



acording to pakistani FM zardari visit chaina every three months

 

[Neo]

Chinese companies offer $5bn investment​

BEIJING, Oct 17: Chinese entrepreneurs have offered to invest $5 billion in Pakistan’s defence, banking, oil exploration and mining sectors, develop Thar coal, build Bhasha and Kohala dams and launch PakSat-1R in 2011. The offers were made during meetings with President Asif Ali Zardari, who concluded his four-day official visit and left for Pakistan on Friday.

Heads of the business delegations said they were ready to intensify cooperation in defence production, oil and gas, energy, poly-technologies, electronics, hydropower generation and other sectors.

They took deep interest in business, trade and investment opportunities in Pakistan.

Among leading industrialists and business tycoons who called on President Zardari at the State Guest House included chairman of Northern Industries Ma Zhigeng, chairman of Poly Technologies Zhang Liansheng, chairman of the CETC Yan Lijin, president of Sinohydro Fan Jixiang and Liu Minkang of the Chinese Banking and Regulatory Authority.

A delegation of China International Water and Electricity Corporation (CWE) met President Zardari and offered to invest $1.7 billion in Bhasha and Kohala dams.

“We just met President Zardari and the talks focused on Bhasha and Kohala dams,” the deputy general manager of CWE, Jin Zheping, told the media after the meeting.

Mr Jin said CWE was involved in “conceptual development” of Bhasha dam with Chinese hydroelectric power generating groups and also with Wapda, adding that an MoU had already been signed.

Mr Jin said the president had told the delegation that the government wanted Chinese entrepreneurs to visit Pakistan to acquaint themselves with the investment climate.

Ma Zhigeng, the chairman of Norinco, offered cooperation of his company in oil exploration and defence production sectors.

He said that new ventures in oil and gas sectors were also discussed during the meeting with the president.

He said that the company had already invested $30 million in oil exploration which would be further increased.

The Chairman of Poly Technologies, Zhang Liansheng, offered technical assistance and investment in oil exploration and generation of electricity from coal-fired power plants.

He said his company could also play an important role in expanding bilateral cooperation in media and education.

The business leaders said Chinese banks would set up branches in Pakistan to take advantage of the country’s economic growth potential.

SATELLITE LAUNCH: Earlier a spokesman of the China Great Wall Industry Corporation (CGWIC), the space industry concern, said that a Long March 3B rocket would be used to put the satellite into orbit. It will be launched from the Xichang satellite launch centre in China’s southwestern Sichuan province.

The company said ground control facilities for the satellite would be delivered to Pakistan’s Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (Suparco) after it entered into orbit.

The satellite will have a lifespan of 15 years and Pakistan will use it for domestic telecommunication and broadcast services.

The president was seen off at the airport by Chinese Assistant Foreign Minister Hu Zhengyue.

During his four-day stay, President Zardari held talks with President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao on issues of regional and international concern.

The talks focused on strengthening Pakistan-China strategic partnership and cooperation in trade, investment, defense, banking sector and science and technology.The president also met the Chairman of the National People’s Congress, Wu Bangguo, and the Chairman of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, Jia Qingling.

Business executives, heads of financial institutions and corporate leaders called on Mr Zardari.

 

[Neo]

The helping hand of China​

Editorial: The foremost crisis facing Pakistan on the eve of President Asif Ali Zardari’s visit to China is the financial gap that points to a possible default at the beginning of 2009. The US-India nuclear deal too has taken place but this is not the crisis on which to ask our friend China for a bailout. Therefore, it is wrong on the part of important people, including some officials, to surmise loudly that China will surely come up with a balancing nuclear deal with Pakistan. The joint communiqué after the Zardari visit is framed in general terms, so the world can go on wondering what actually transpired between President Zardari and President Hu Jintao.

The “promise” came informally and in the form of a “report” on the meeting between the two presidents: “China vowed on Thursday to do what it could to help Pakistan avert financial disaster as President Asif Ali Zardari continued an official visit aimed at rustling up crucial Chinese investments”. There was also the standard reference to “strategic partnership” which will be interpreted differently in different quarters, but definitely wrongly in the warlike quarters of Pakistan. The more concrete fact is that Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves stand at $7.7 billion, hardly enough to finance the country’s imports in the coming months.

The Washington Post says Pakistan is seeking $3 billion from China as emergency aid. China has promised to help and may come up with less than that and Pakistan will have to look for help from other sources too. An estimate says Pakistan needs an immediate $4.5 billion and is targeting multilateral and “forum” sources for it. The World Bank has already committed $1.4 billion for the current financial year while pledging $3 billion over the next three years. The US assistance of about $900 million is in the pipeline and the “Friends of Pakistan” forum is said to have committed $4 billion before convening in Dubai.

But all these financial “commitments” may not materialise as easily as we might think. The Saudi “deferred facility” has still not materialised although hopes remain high. The Friends of Pakistan may pledge many things but find it difficult to actually shell out the funds because most of them are tight on liquidity. In these circumstances, China can help significantly “if it is within China’s capacity”, as the Chinese side told President Zardari. Of course, Chinese investments could have come in larger volume had not its experts working in Pakistan been targeted by the terrorists. China had to pull out of a dam-building project in the Tribal Areas after its engineers were kidnapped by Abdullah Mehsud following his release from Guantanamo Bay. Chinese repairmen were target-killed in the NWFP and a Chinese massage shop was attacked in Islamabad by the extremists of Lal Masjid in 2007. There is no denying that the state moved quickly to assure China that it had taken the attack seriously, but later developments in Islamabad in favour of Lal Masjid must have deterred more Chinese investment.

What Pakistan has to realise is that, even as the people of Pakistan think of China as their perennial friend, Al Qaeda thinks of China as an obstacle in their project of dominating the state of Pakistan. Unfortunately, not many people look at Al Qaeda from this perspective. China has a strategic interest in Pakistan but it is more economic than military. China is deeply involved in the Gwadar development project and looks at the new gas pipelines and road connections with the oil-rich region of the Gulf with great interest. Pakistan realises this too and often there are futuristic statements about how China will rely on the trading corridor of Pakistan for its energy demands. But most politicians are not intellectually prepared to abandon their warlike projections to think in trading terms. In their minds China and America are locked in a potentially military standoff in Pakistan. But China is more likely to help Pakistan out of its current crisis because of Pakistan’s trading potential than its capacity to go to war.

The world will surely aid Pakistan in these times of scarce cash if Pakistan is willing to tackle its terrorism problem single-mindedly. For any economic remedy to succeed Pakistan must have enough internal sovereignty — read law and order capacity — and less division of opinion among its institutions. But the sad story so far is that it is not only the politicians who are divided because of the incapacity of some to think of the national economy, some state institutions too have developed the habit of ignoring the country’s economic survival while developing new strategies of national security.

 

[was]

batmannow, if you don't work in the Pakistan Embassy in Beijing then that is a waste of your talent.

From your post, you said that China never demanded anything from Pakistan. I want to ask you...Do you think Paksitan should offer something back and not make it like it is a one-way deal?.

If so, what can Pakistan offer the Chinese?.

pakistan is offering it,s strategic location to the chinese,gwadar for example.
with gwadar they will have alternative and secure routs for oil imports from middle east,if indians or us do some thing wrong in the indian ocean.

 

[kvLin]

Zardari is predestined to benefit from the traditional sino-pak relationship for his political career.

I just can't help thinking of Musharraf's doing possible in relief to China's earthquake. it was a very good investment in human relationship,while the Chinese culture sings highly of reciprocity.

the 3rd Session of the 17th central committee of CCP had shed some lights on China's thought during the global economic crisis--"maintaining China's own economic growth is also a contribution to the world economy".

such being said, China is unlikely to pour money into US. after all the wall street is a very big hole, plus the US had just rushed in where angels fear to tread,and now waiting how China would react against the US arm sales to Taiwan and the ridiculous release of 7 Eastern Turkistan terrorists.

It's easier and worth while to go to Pakistan's rescue.

 

[was]

pakistan is offering it,s strategic location to the chinese,gwadar for example.
with gwadar they will have alternative and secure routs for oil imports from middle east,if indians or us do some thing wrong in the indian ocean.

China’s footprint in Pakistan

By Henry Chu
April 01, 2007 in print edition A-1

Along a scenic beach where fishermen mend their nets by hand, an endless row of storefronts stretches into the distance, all selling the same thing. Not sunscreen, umbrellas or cold drinks. Land.

Never mind that the area is home to a violent separatist movement, or that foreigners are regarded with suspicion by police. A property boom has hit this formerly sleepy town in southwest Pakistan because of the latest addition to Gwadar’s modest charms: a strategic new port on the Arabian Sea, almost all of it paid for by China.

The deepwater port has the potential to become a major shipping hub for Central Asia and China, particularly for the oil that China is sucking up to fuel its explosive growth. Gwadar, near the Iranian border, sits close to the entrance to the Persian Gulf and the Middle East, China’s biggest source of crude.

But officials in countries such as India and the United States are eyeing the port warily, seeing more there than mere commercial value.

They fear its possible future use as a base for Chinese ships and submarines, given the close ties the governments of China and Pakistan have enjoyed for decades. From Gwadar, analysts note, China could project its growing economic and military might westward, toward the Middle East, western India and eastern Africa, and down into the Indian Ocean.

An internal Pentagon report leaked two years ago concluded that China was trying to establish a “string of pearls” along the rim of the Indian Ocean, ports that it eventually could use for military purposes. Besides Gwadar, Beijing has invested in ports in Myanmar, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

“At the moment, these are [just] fears,” Ashley Tellis, an Asia expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said of potential Chinese military use of Gwadar’s new port. “But there is no logical reason why the Chinese would not contemplate the military benefits of such a facility for the long term.”

That Beijing considers the port in its national interest is amply demonstrated by the fact that it put up 80% of the $250 million in construction costs, is funding a new airport here and dispatched its communication minister to witness Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf inaugurate the port last month, with great fanfare.

“It is the friendship between China and Pakistan that has made my dream of Gwadar come true,” Musharraf said. “We thank you. We thank China.”

The idea of building a port at Gwadar has floated around in Pakistan for decades. It took on added urgency after the Indian navy blockaded Karachi, Pakistan’s largest port, during a war between the two rival countries in 1971. But it was Musharraf, more than a quarter of a century later, who made a major push to get it done.

Backers of the project entertain visions of Gwadar as a new, more convenient gateway for trade from Chinese and Central Asian markets to points west. For China, closer access to the sea from its landlocked western territories, where a massive development campaign is underway, can save thousands of miles and days of travel for goods that would otherwise have to exit the country from the east on a much more circuitous route.

Optimists also hope that bringing prosperity might drain away some support for a militant secessionist movement here in Baluchistan province that has given the Pakistani government headaches for years. This rugged region is rich in resources, including large natural gas reserves, that the government in Islamabad would like to tap. But many Baluchis – ethnically different from the Punjabis who people the corridors of power – fear being unfairly exploited.

Construction of the port has been plagued by problems that do not augur well.

Delays in completing infrastructure works pushed back the port’s planned opening by more than a year and reportedly triggered complaints from the Chinese side. Security became a big issue when, in May 2004, three Chinese engineers were killed in a car bombing. (guess who killed the engineers????)

Even now, rifle-toting soldiers and police officers are common sights, their dark uniforms stark against Gwadar’s dramatic backdrop of jagged chalk-colored cliffs, deep blue sea and a colossal rock formation that thrusts into the ocean like a giant’s arm.

Despite the image of welcome that officials are trying to cultivate to attract investors and visitors, the security forces sometimes operate with a heavy hand. When an American reporter tried to visit Gwadar a few days after the port opened, police officers and intelligence agents stopped him at the airport and confined him to a hotel for several hours until U.S. diplomats and apologetic Pakistani officials in Islamabad intervened.

In a recent editorial, the respected Dawn newspaper said the government had to ensure that local residents benefited from the port if it hoped to dilute resentment of its rule.

Any significant recruitment of skilled or semiskilled labor from other parts of the country “will be seen by the local people as an attempt to deprive them of employment opportunities now that they have at long last come to their area,” the paper warned.

Because there is currently little industry in Baluchistan to take advantage of the port, some analysts predict that it could take years before the economic benefits become widespread.

For China, the advantages of the new port are obvious.

Gwadar would provide a more secure corridor for China’s fuel and energy supplies in the face of instability in the Persian Gulf and also down in the pirate-infested Strait of Malacca, by Indonesia, through which 80% of China’s oil imports now pass. From Gwadar, imports could travel overland up through Pakistan and into China.

Trade out of China’s own restive western region of Xinjiang would also be easier and faster. The distance from Kashgar, on the edge of Xinjiang, to Gwadar is 1,250 miles, versus twice that distance to reach Shanghai.

Some analysts see a more strategic interest in Gwadar.They say it could play host to Chinese vessels, listening stations or an outpost from which Beijing could monitor the Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean, including the U.S. Navy base on the remote island of Diego Garcia, a key launching pad for operations in the Persian Gulf.

But a beefed-up Chinese military presence in Gwadar probably is years away, if it happens at all.

“I’m extremely doubtful the Pakistanis will allow the port itself to become a Chinese base,” said Pervaiz Iqbal Cheema, president of the Islamabad Policy Research Institute. “Pakistan and China are extremely close, and they would probably look after each other as much as their national interest permits. If our national interest permits that we go all the way, we may, but I’m skeptical about it.”

At the moment, the mad dash in Gwadar is not about geopolitics but about capitalizing on exploding land values. Eager speculators and investors from Islamabad, Lahore and Karachi have flocked here; billboards tout shiny new housing projects yet to be built.

The brochure for Gwadar Florida City entices buyers with an imaginary future skyline that looks suspiciously like Miami’s. When the company’s first housing development went on sale in 2003, buyers snapped up 500 plots in three days, said local representative Abdul Hameed. Those parcels, each measuring 4,500 square feet and costing about $8,300 then, can go for four times that amount now.

Even some fishermen have noticed a rise in their fortunes.

“When we used to catch fish, there were no takers – we used to throw away half our catch,” 55-year-old Mohammed Ibrahim said as he rolled up his nets, the sharp tang of brine in the air.

Recently arrived wholesalers now buy up Ibrahim’s haul and send it off to Karachi. He has made enough money to buy a second boat. And he’s not worried about migrants moving to Gwadar and horning in on his business.

“People are coming from outside,” he said, “but the sea is so big we don’t have a problem with that.”(well people are happy what the hell want the separatists)

China's footprint in Pakistan - Los Angeles Times

 

[Neo]

Sino-Pak relations: more than meets the eye​

EDITORIAL (October 18 2008): During the ongoing visit of President Zardari to China, twelve agreements, Memoranda of Understanding and protocols have been signed. These include an agreement on technical and economic co-operation, amendments in the Free Trade Agreement, establishing a 300 million dollar National Electronics Complex in Pakistan, co-operation in mineral development, petroleum and natural resources and between the cricket boards of the two countries, environment protection, radio and television, Paksat-IR satellite procurement contract, and scientific collaboration.

While ostensibly none of these agreements are earth shattering in terms of their outcome, especially when contrasted with the US-India nuclear deal, yet it is relevant to note that China has always been hesitant to highlight the extent of its relations with its friends; and much prefers to work quietly and unobtrusively by providing assistance that has proved critical to meeting our needs.

What has been clearly evident to all is the fact that China is the only country in the world that has remained committed to the development of Pakistan and, unlike some Western countries, has never subordinated Pakistan's interests to its own geopolitical considerations.

In this context, the recent kidnapping of Chinese engineers was not only roundly condemned by our leadership but was also fully supported by the general public that has come to regard China not as a fair weather friend but as a constant ally that has never hesitated to extend support to us in our hour of need.

It is noteworthy in this regard that China has been assisting Pakistan in harnessing nuclear technology for the construction of nuclear power plants in Chashma: a 300 MW power plant is already complete and another 300 MW is under construction.

Heads and chief executives of major Chinese financial institutions called on President Zardari and evinced a keen interest in enhancing the existing level of co-operation. The Governor of the China Development Bank also called on President Zardari. In the field of banking, it is unfortunate that Chinese banks do not have a licence to operate in Western countries. In contrast, there are some Pakistani banks that do have the requisite licence.

Given that according to Goldman Sachs, China is going to emerge as the second largest economy in the world by 2035, it may well be worthwhile for the Chinese financial sector to begin forming joint ventures in this regard. While China is forging closer ties with the Central Asian Republics in an effort to harness their excess energy supply to meet its own rising demand, yet another avenue could be the Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) pipeline which could be extended to include China.

What is blatantly apparent to the people of Pakistan is the markedly different treatment meted out to President Zardari on his visit to the West and China. While during his Western visits the democracy dividend was sorely lacking and President Zardari was forced to deal with accusations of not doing enough on the Pak-Afghan border, yet in China he received a warm welcome, meted out to all his predecessors as well.

In this context, our leadership's condemnation of the kidnapping of Chinese engineers is echoed by the people of this country and there is no one who does not consider that an act of treason. It is hoped that the perpetrators of that heinous crime would feel contrite and hand over the engineers to the authorities without delay and preconditions.