PAKISTAN POSITIONING JF-17 FOR GROUND ATTACK ROLE

[Rana4pak]

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Hi,

Gen Raheel commited treason against the state of pakistan by not opting for Yemen with pakistani military---.

The west had made a shocking blunder by inviting pakistn's military to take charge at the start of the Yemen crisis---but out of his sheer stupidity---Gen Raheel floundered in making the right decision---thus letting the west escape from the biggest blunder they were about to commit by inviting pakistan's military to that region---.

It would have been a different / possibly more peaceful world---or a region heading towards peace if 150K pak military was in that region---.

There is something very important that has transpired and the consequences of it are terrible to the region---.

For that very reason---the GCC has changed its stance towards Israel---and rightfully so---. It has found out that it is now helpless and has no choice any more---.

" We must all hang together or assuredly we shall all hang separately
Benjamin Franklin---".

Pakistan has been seperated from the herd to be hung seperately---.

@Khafee --- you do understand now why I have been talking about the Yemen crisis and pakistan military in the region---.

you have same knowledge about armed forces of Pakistan and particularly role of Raheel sharif same as Nawaz Shareef know about nukes.you are shit in front of Raheel sharif.

 

[MastanKhan]

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PAKISTAN POSITIONING JF-17 FOR GROUND ATTACK ROLE
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The Turkish defence electronics supplier Aselsan reportedly said that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has 50 ASELPOD targeting pods on order. The PAF ordered its first batch of eight ASELPODs in 2016, with reports of follow-on orders of unknown quantities. In 2018, Aselsan confirmed that it and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) successfully integrated the ASELPOD to the JF-17 Thunder.

This recent news would confirm that the PAF is not only committed to inducting the ASELPOD, but that it will position the JF-17, its mainstay fighter, as a prominent ground attack asset.

Currently, the PAF has equipped the JF-17 to deploy the 60-100 km Range Extension Kit (REK) or Takbir – i.e., a precision-guided bomb (PGB) kit for MK-80-series general purpose bombs (GPB) – and C-802 anti-ship cruising missile (ASCM). A laser-guided bomb (LGB) should follow the integration of the ASELPOD. In March 2019, the PAF also test-fired a new precision-guided munition of an unknown typev.

With the ASELPOD, the JF-17 can hit fixed and moving ground targets. In terms of the latter, it can use the ASELPOD to designate – or “lase” – a target for its LGBs, even if the target is moving. Similarly, the JF-17 could also, potentially, use laser-guided air-to-ground missiles (AGM) – though it is not known if the PAF is seeking an AGM (akin to the AGM-65 Maverick).

The Case for Repurposing Older JF-17s for Ground Attack Missions

On first thought, it would make sense for the PAF to equip the upcoming JF-17 Block 3s with the ASELPOD. The JF-17 Block 3 will reportedly have a greater payload and, potentially, a dedicated hardpoint for special mission equipment, such as targeting pods, reconnaissance pods, and others.

However, the Block 3 will also be a high-tech asset with more qualities suitable for operating in contested air space, such as an integrated electronic warfare (EW) suite, active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, and helmet mounted display and sight (HMD/S) with high off-boresight air-to-air missile.

The Block 3’s main purpose will likely be to shore-up the PAF’s ability to fend-off high-tech threats, such as the Dassault Rafale (albeit, with the need of greater numbers and other supporting assets). However, for ground attack missions, especially in a low-intensity, counterinsurgency (COIN) context, the PAF may rely more heavily on the JF-17 Block 1 and/or Block 2.

There is a limit to the Block 1 and Block-2’s upgrade potential – i.e., they cannot reach true Block 3 levels – and they are, at this stage, older airframes. It could also be the case that the Block 3 has a higher upgrade ceiling or potential due to its structural changes, which the designers likely made to ensure that the fighter could carry an AESA radar, integrated EW suite, and other subsystems from the onset.

Given the PAF’s turn on the JF-17B – i.e., a platform it had intended for only export, and now expanding the PAF’s new JF-17 orders to 76 aircraft – the likely route for additional “high-tech” JF-17s would be to order more of them. In other words, the future mainstay of the PAF fleet (especially if the PAF is unable to acquire another off-the-shelf fighter) would be the JF-17 Block 3/JF-17B and its direct evolutions.

However, moving to the Block 3 does not mean that the Block 1 and Block 2 are any less valuable. To the contrary, they could amount to a significant upgrade for ground attack missions. Having retired the A-5, the PAF lacks a close air support (CAS) asset analogous to the Jaguar. Thus, there may be an opportunity to repurpose older JF-17s for this role, and not only for COIN, but for conventional CAS operations as well.

https://quwa.org/2019/07/01/pakistan-positioning-jf-17-for-ground-attack-role-2/

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A very excellent read. On a side note, something the article didn't mention is that the Block III will also feature bigger and more widened intakes to adjust for new engine and give the jet more speed.

I think it's likely that the Mirages will be replaced by these upgraded Block IIs while for air superiority and to replace F-7P Block IIIs will be inducted.

I am hopeful that with its new design, much more advanced tech, low maintenance cost and price tag, tailoring to fly like a F-16, it will replace the F-16 in international market eventually.

The biggest issue I think for the JF-17 Thunder at the moment is its frame's and body's life. Compared to other jets at same level or above, it is generally half. Not expensive to maintain but hectic to replace and maintain ofcourse overall.

PAF needs to designate more to composite materials as well as PLC management so that it receives the attention and sales globally that it deserves.

Hi,

The writer of this article ---QUWA missed the fact that fighter / strike aircraft are not built and designed for COIN operations per say---. They are designed keeping in mind the fight against conventional militaries primarily---. COIN are secondary issues in a design---or possibly a non issue---.

There is nothing wrong with the LIFE of the JF17---15 years is a perfect life cycle for a 10-15 million dollars 4th gen electronics and weapons equipped aircraft---when the going rate of similar platforms is in the range of 60-70 million plus plus plus and they may last for what---25-30-35 years after two or three refurbishing attempts---.

Here---you can discard the 15 million aircraft after 15-18 years and now you can get Blk3 or Blk 4 for another 30-35 million dollars---a blk that is more capable and updated for more and better options---and still come way ahead in performance and utility---.

JF17 are a perfect example of a very capable yet inexpensive instrument that can be loaded up with all the modern electronics and weapons---used to its maximum abilities for a certain time period---discarded after than and a more modern version taken up---.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Hi,

Gen Raheel commited treason against the state of pakistan by not opting for Yemen with pakistani military---.

The west had made a shocking blunder by inviting pakistn's military to take charge at the start of the Yemen crisis---but out of his sheer stupidity---Gen Raheel floundered in making the right decision---thus letting the west escape from the biggest blunder they were about to commit by inviting pakistan's military to that region---.

It would have been a different / possibly more peaceful world---or a region heading towards peace if 150K pak military was in that region---.

There is something very important that has transpired and the consequences of it are terrible to the region---.

For that very reason---the GCC has changed its stance towards Israel---and rightfully so---. It has found out that it is now helpless and has no choice any more---.

" We must all hang together or assuredly we shall all hang separately
Benjamin Franklin---".

Pakistan has been seperated from the herd to be hung seperately---.

@Khafee --- you do understand now why I have been talking about the Yemen crisis and pakistan military in the region---.

You advocate that Pakistan should have participated in Yemen war...Correct?

• What logic you have that we should have contributed to kill Houthis, who are Muslims?

• What do you think how our neighbour Iran would have reacted if we were in Yemen war? What calamity Pakistan would have faced as a result?

• What do you think how India would have taken the advantage of such a situation?

• What do you think Israel would have used Iran via India in such a scenario?

You call a sitting COAS as traitor, and by default the whole army top brass becomes a traitor
…..and when you advocate that Pakistan should have participated in Yemen war; can you list three advantages of participation?

 

[Lincoln]

Hi,

The writer of this article ---QUWA missed the fact that fighter / strike aircraft are not built and designed for COIN operations per say---. They are designed keeping in mind the fight against conventional militaries primarily---. COIN are secondary issues in a design---or possibly a non issue---.

There is nothing wrong with the LIFE of the JF17---15 years is a perfect life cycle for a 10-15 million dollars 4th gen electronics and weapons equipped aircraft---when the going rate of similar platforms is in the range of 60-70 million plus plus plus and they may last for what---25-30-35 years after two or three refurbishing attempts---.

Here---you can discard the 15 million aircraft after 15-18 years and now you can get Blk3 or Blk 4 for another 30-35 million dollars---a blk that is more capable and updated for more and better options---and still come way ahead in performance and utility---.

JF17 are a perfect example of a very capable yet inexpensive instrument that can be loaded up with all the modern electronics and weapons---used to its maximum abilities for a certain time period---discarded after than and a more modern version taken up---.

JF-17 cockpit frame life is shorter. 15 years may seem big to us but to forces which need to plan decades ahead and know the troubles of inducting jets (can take a decade), it is not so good.

Block III will likely be worth $35-37 million, compare that to Sukhoi 35 which is $45 million a unit.

 

[Rana4pak]

Hi,

The writer of this article ---QUWA missed the fact that fighter / strike aircraft are not built and designed for COIN operations per say---. They are designed keeping in mind the fight against conventional militaries primarily---. COIN are secondary issues in a design---or possibly a non issue---.

There is nothing wrong with the LIFE of the JF17---15 years is a perfect life cycle for a 10-15 million dollars 4th gen electronics and weapons equipped aircraft---when the going rate of similar platforms is in the range of 60-70 million plus plus plus and they may last for what---25-30-35 years after two or three refurbishing attempts---.

Here---you can discard the 15 million aircraft after 15-18 years and now you can get Blk3 or Blk 4 for another 30-35 million dollars---a blk that is more capable and updated for more and better options---and still come way ahead in performance and utility---.

JF17 are a perfect example of a very capable yet inexpensive instrument that can be loaded up with all the modern electronics and weapons---used to its maximum abilities for a certain time period---discarded after than and a more modern version taken up---.



Hi,

I am not sh-it in front of Gen Raheel---. He fckd up bad for pakistan when he did not go for sending pak military to yemen---. He had no vision for the future welfare of pakistan---but only for himself---.

You better sit on the prayer mat and pray hard that what is coming pakistan's way---dos not come---.

You are siting in America and lecturing us about pakistan.you have missing something in ur brain.you need a psychiatrist go n check ur mental status before it will convert into stroke

 

[Awan68]

Hi,

The writer of this article ---QUWA missed the fact that fighter / strike aircraft are not built and designed for COIN operations per say---. They are designed keeping in mind the fight against conventional militaries primarily---. COIN are secondary issues in a design---or possibly a non issue---.

There is nothing wrong with the LIFE of the JF17---15 years is a perfect life cycle for a 10-15 million dollars 4th gen electronics and weapons equipped aircraft---when the going rate of similar platforms is in the range of 60-70 million plus plus plus and they may last for what---25-30-35 years after two or three refurbishing attempts---.

Here---you can discard the 15 million aircraft after 15-18 years and now you can get Blk3 or Blk 4 for another 30-35 million dollars---a blk that is more capable and updated for more and better options---and still come way ahead in performance and utility---.

JF17 are a perfect example of a very capable yet inexpensive instrument that can be loaded up with all the modern electronics and weapons---used to its maximum abilities for a certain time period---discarded after than and a more modern version taken up---.



Hi,

I am not sh-it in front of Gen Raheel---. He fckd up bad for pakistan when he did not go for sending pak military to yemen---. He had no vision for the future welfare of pakistan---but only for himself---.

You better sit on the prayer mat and pray hard that what is coming pakistan's way---dos not come---.

With a 15-20% shia population ripe for India and the West to exploit via Iran and a shia govt in one province, it would have been a catastrophic stupidity to play into the hands of our enemy by compromising peace in our homeland for a few billion dollars, as they say peace is priceless and cocky old men like u have no place in the decision making of serious men.....

 

[denel]

Hi,

The writer of this article ---QUWA missed the fact that fighter / strike aircraft are not built and designed for COIN operations per say---. They are designed keeping in mind the fight against conventional militaries primarily---. COIN are secondary issues in a design---or possibly a non issue---.

There is nothing wrong with the LIFE of the JF17---15 years is a perfect life cycle for a 10-15 million dollars 4th gen electronics and weapons equipped aircraft---when the going rate of similar platforms is in the range of 60-70 million plus plus plus and they may last for what---25-30-35 years after two or three refurbishing attempts---.

Here---you can discard the 15 million aircraft after 15-18 years and now you can get Blk3 or Blk 4 for another 30-35 million dollars---a blk that is more capable and updated for more and better options---and still come way ahead in performance and utility---.

JF17 are a perfect example of a very capable yet inexpensive instrument that can be loaded up with all the modern electronics and weapons---used to its maximum abilities for a certain time period---discarded after than and a more modern version taken up---.



Hi,

I am not sh-it in front of Gen Raheel---. He fckd up bad for pakistan when he did not go for sending pak military to yemen---. He had no vision for the future welfare of pakistan---but only for himself---.

You better sit on the prayer mat and pray hard that what is coming pakistan's way---dos not come---.

I unfortunately will disagree; why go into someone's fight. I have seen first hand the tragic and indiscrimate bombings at schools/hospitals by GCC airforce. situation was so dire MSF pulled all of us out. They did exactly what assad was doing in syria. So no, what Pak did was right thing

 

[MastanKhan]

…..and when you advocate that Pakistan would have participated in Yemen war; can you bother to list three advantages of participation?

Hi,

150 K military in the arena---25 K in Oman---50 / 50 K in Emirates and Saudia---25 K in rest of the areas---totally self suficient in air ground and naval assets purchased thru funds provided by GCC

Would neuter the influence of india in the GCC

Would reduce the level of threat felt by the GCC residents

Would have neutered the Yemen crisis in a short time

Would have reduced the level of threat from outside forces in the region

Would create a massive source of employment in pakistan

Would increase the industrial base in pakistan

Would increase the jobs of pakistanis in the civilian sector of GCC

Would have military covering the flank of india from another vantage point

Would cover the flank of Iran from another vantage point

Would be incharge of the largest independent air---ground and naval battle group in the region with total control to keeping peace in the region

You pakistani kids and adults are absolutely clueless---what does my being a car salesman have to do with not knowing abut wars and tactics---.

Wars and knowing about tactics & fighting wars is a natural god gifted phenomenon and has nothing to do with your profession---. George washington was a farmer's son---.

The most successful general of the history of the world Subotai Bahadur was the son of an iron smith---yet because of his tactics & strategies in war---he made Chengiz Khan's militaries the conquerer of the world---.

Tom Clancy was an insurance salesman---so please stop this pakistani stupidity of attaching my background to what I write---.

Something has happened in 2018---that has made pakistan and pakistan's military helpless---. On the surface---we show to be very strong---but in reality---we may have fizzled out---.

@Khafee you know what I am talking about---.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Hi,

150 K military in the arena---25 K in Oman---50 / 50 K in Emirates and Saudia---25 K in rest of the areas---totally self suficient in air ground and naval assets purchased thru funds provided by GCC

Would neuter the influence of india in the GCC

Would reduce the level of threat felt by the GCC residents

Would have neutered the Yemen crisis in a short time

Would have reduced the level of threat from outside forces in the region

Would create a massive source of employment in pakistan

Would increase the industrial base in pakistan

Would increase the jobs of pakistanis in the civilian sector of GCC

Would have military covering the flank of india from another vantage point

Would cover the flank of Iran from another vantage point

Would be incharge of the largest independent air---ground and naval battle group in the region with total control to keeping peace in the region

You pakistani kids and adults are absolutely clueless---what does my being a car salesman have to do with not knowing abut wars and tactics---.

Wars and knowing about tactics & fighting wars is a natural god gifted phenomenon and has nothing to do with your profession---. George washington was a farmer's son---.

The most successful general of the history of the world Subotai Bahadur was the son of an iron smith---yet because of his tactics & strategies in war---he made Chengiz Khan's militaries the conquerer of the world---.

Tom Clancy was an insurance salesman---so please stop this pakistani stupidity of attaching my background to what I write---.

Something has happened in 2018---that has made pakistan and pakistan's military helpless---. On the surface---we show to be very strong---but in reality---we may have fizzled out---.

@Khafee you know what I am talking about---.

"Wars and knowing about tactics & fighting wars is a natural god gifted phenomenon" I really won't reply to this statement from you. I let all the PDF members enjoy this.

 

[Rana4pak]

Hi,

150 K military in the arena---25 K in Oman---50 / 50 K in Emirates and Saudia---25 K in rest of the areas---totally self suficient in air ground and naval assets purchased thru funds provided by GCC

Would neuter the influence of india in the GCC

Would reduce the level of threat felt by the GCC residents

Would have neutered the Yemen crisis in a short time

Would have reduced the level of threat from outside forces in the region

Would create a massive source of employment in pakistan

Would increase the industrial base in pakistan

Would increase the jobs of pakistanis in the civilian sector of GCC

Would have military covering the flank of india from another vantage point

Would cover the flank of Iran from another vantage point

Would be incharge of the largest independent air---ground and naval battle group in the region with total control to keeping peace in the region

You pakistani kids and adults are absolutely clueless---what does my being a car salesman have to do with not knowing abut wars and tactics---.

Wars and knowing about tactics & fighting wars is a natural god gifted phenomenon and has nothing to do with your profession---. George washington was a farmer's son---.

The most successful general of the history of the world Subotai Bahadur was the son of an iron smith---yet because of his tactics & strategies in war---he made Chengiz Khan's militaries the conquerer of the world---.

Tom Clancy was an insurance salesman---so please stop this pakistani stupidity of attaching my background to what I write---.

Something has happened in 2018---that has made pakistan and pakistan's military helpless---. On the surface---we show to be very strong---but in reality---we may have fizzled out---.

@Khafee you know what I am talking about---.



Hi,

Thank you for your advise---. But please---if what I am saying comes true---then have the honor you swallowing the 110 gr piece of lead from your 9 mm.

Hey bipolar disorder personality do your prayers before the last call.you don’t know ur next second n talk about future of Pakistan.

 

[MIRauf]

MK last post #38 is what should have happened, problem is that people of Pakistan are either Shia or Suni, they are either Punjabi, Sindhi, Pathan, Baluchi before they are Pakistani and that is if they ever are Pakistani despite being born in Pakistan, at least this is how they come out to be to the outsiders.

Pakistan is so scared of its Shia populous that it can't do what it needs to do, take a lesson from Iran, when was the last time Iranian regime cared as to what Pakistan's Suni populous or how its Suni neighbors felt about or how it's own Suni populous felt or will do if they acted certain way ?

After few crowd gathering, marches, if opportunity was given to these Shia / Suni to go work in GCC, they would have gladly gone and worked there, all thanks to Pak taking a stand.

 

[Vortex]

Hi,

150 K military in the arena---25 K in Oman---50 / 50 K in Emirates and Saudia---25 K in rest of the areas---totally self suficient in air ground and naval assets purchased thru funds provided by GCC

Would neuter the influence of india in the GCC

Would reduce the level of threat felt by the GCC residents

Would have neutered the Yemen crisis in a short time

Would have reduced the level of threat from outside forces in the region

Would create a massive source of employment in pakistan

Would increase the industrial base in pakistan

Would increase the jobs of pakistanis in the civilian sector of GCC

Would have military covering the flank of india from another vantage point

Would cover the flank of Iran from another vantage point

Would be incharge of the largest independent air---ground and naval battle group in the region with total control to keeping peace in the region

You pakistani kids and adults are absolutely clueless---what does my being a car salesman have to do with not knowing abut wars and tactics---.

Wars and knowing about tactics & fighting wars is a natural god gifted phenomenon and has nothing to do with your profession---. George washington was a farmer's son---.

The most successful general of the history of the world Subotai Bahadur was the son of an iron smith---yet because of his tactics & strategies in war---he made Chengiz Khan's militaries the conquerer of the world---.

Tom Clancy was an insurance salesman---so please stop this pakistani stupidity of attaching my background to what I write---.

Something has happened in 2018---that has made pakistan and pakistan's military helpless---. On the surface---we show to be very strong---but in reality---we may have fizzled out---.

@Khafee you know what I am talking about---.

And you sincerely think that those Arabians countries would have done what they never did in 70 years ?

I remember one thing which hurt me more than anything : the Arabs coalition added Pakistan in their list without having talked with Pakistan about it.

They are not able to fight, that’s why they needed a true professional army which is our army is.

I will add that at least one arabic country left the coalition. Despite having billions dollars worth weapons they are not capable armies. What would had done against stupidity of those countries ?

I have said this on an french spoken arabic forum, they banned me because they felt insulted.

It was a political problem at the start, military operations weren’t the correct answer.

Thanks to Allah that we did not accepted to participate in their stupidity

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Hi,

150 K military in the arena---25 K in Oman---50 / 50 K in Emirates and Saudia---25 K in rest of the areas---totally self suficient in air ground and naval assets purchased thru funds provided by GCC

Would neuter the influence of india in the GCC

Would reduce the level of threat felt by the GCC residents

Would have neutered the Yemen crisis in a short time

Would have reduced the level of threat from outside forces in the region

Would create a massive source of employment in pakistan

Would increase the industrial base in pakistan

Would increase the jobs of pakistanis in the civilian sector of GCC

Would have military covering the flank of india from another vantage point

Would cover the flank of Iran from another vantage point

Would be incharge of the largest independent air---ground and naval battle group in the region with total control to keeping peace in the region

You pakistani kids and adults are absolutely clueless---what does my being a car salesman have to do with not knowing abut wars and tactics---.

Wars and knowing about tactics & fighting wars is a natural god gifted phenomenon and has nothing to do with your profession---. George washington was a farmer's son---.

The most successful general of the history of the world Subotai Bahadur was the son of an iron smith---yet because of his tactics & strategies in war---he made Chengiz Khan's militaries the conquerer of the world---.

Tom Clancy was an insurance salesman---so please stop this pakistani stupidity of attaching my background to what I write---.

Something has happened in 2018---that has made pakistan and pakistan's military helpless---. On the surface---we show to be very strong---but in reality---we may have fizzled out---.

@Khafee you know what I am talking about---.



Hi,

Thank you for your advise---. But please---if what I am saying comes true---then have the honor you swallowing the 110 gr piece of lead from your 9 mm.

"Wars and knowing about tactics & fighting wars is a natural god gifted phenomenon"

@MastanKhan - I am sorry I have to write again. I can't get over this statement.

 

[Trailer23]

You better sit on the prayer mat and pray hard that what is coming pakistan's way---dos not come---.

I always feel that I should stay out of Politics & Religion because the Topic relates to the Pakistan Air Force, but you've truly taken it (too) far.

Your age, wisdom and/or your Date of Joining PDF does not permit you to make statements like that.

We did fight another nations War & look what we've got in return. Terrorism in the form of Refugees.

Rest assured, there are people that pray Fives a Day for protection of our Nation (in & outside of Pakistan). You clearly aren't one of them.

You should just pray Five Times a day for the protection of your Dealership from Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

I am not sh-it in front of Gen Raheel---. He fckd up bad for pakistan when he did not go for sending pak military to yemen---. He had no vision for the future welfare of pakistan---but only for himself---.

Its no secret that you have a thing against the Pakistan Armed Forces. We get it.

Operation: Zarb-e-Azb got the ball rolling to fight off what we've been suffering for so long & fully intend to eradicate it.

I do wonder why some humor you and that you always manage to dodge bullets from getting Banned. I finally get it...

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Hi,

Hi,

Are you really stupid---why would I need to write to pentagon---when I had access to the position of power in pakistan---.

What does my post has anything to do with pentagon---are you that big of an imbecile---. I am talking about pak military / pak generals / their bad mistake and you bring in pentagon---are you really that dumb---.

otherwise you would have very easily understood my post (which was not difficult at all).