Pakistan PM rejects ‘independent Kashmir’

[MultaniGuy]

Ask your mod who is active on the thread about what I said is true or false. It's pretty much the written history. Even your compatriots celebrate the tribal leaders who took part in the so called liberation.

Now you are telling me, Maharaja accede his territory to India overnight behind Pakistans back? Apparently every one of you has your own theories.

Kashmir was a princely state and British had given the authority to the rulers to decide which part to join. The ruler decide to stay independent while signing standstill with Pakistan and not with India.

And if every Muslim majority regions in India belong to Pakistan, there should be a lot of Pakistan's inside India. Which never happened, while British set guidelines for partition and divided territory. While Princely states were left out.

Nice try, you made no sense at all with your garbage post.

According to the Partition rules Muslim Majority regions went to Pakistan including East Bengal.

Secondly there was supposed to be a Plebiscite to be held after when the Maharaja acceded to India.

Even your beloved Nehru promised the world there would a referendum to decide the status of Kashmir, but as usual the dishonest Indian government never held a referendum in Kashmir to decide whether Kashmir should go to Pakistan or India.

 

[duhastmish]

Dear, you just said you are not representing the whole India than how come claim as such for Pakistan. We do not or never treat Kashmir issue as a pie at all.




The time, such issue is being treated as Kashmir and not on the grounds of religious etc, it will be solved. I am not aware as such that Pakistan will call Kashmir issue as Religious or Islamic, at all but on other side, resistance is being portrayed as Islamic etc by India to divert attention.




Therefore, as said, they have the right of determination.

kashmir issue has not given Pakistan anything other than trouble. as a nation pakistan have lost more for kashmir than it gained. its all about ego.
Now a pie i never said for public but for political bodies and to top brass.

to keep people intrested in kashmir they choose tool of religion. islam is one factor that binds them other wise geography language food water climate physic everything is diffrent.
you as an individual may have humanitarian issue. as i think kashmir is better off alone than our two nations. but like your pm said and our pm said kashmir is integral part of our nation.

neither of our nation will let it go.

yes last line is too sensible that i agree to it. but we must be ready for accusations of being traitor from our own side of border.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Secondly there was supposed to be a Plebiscite to be held after when the Maharaja acceded to India.

For the entire Jammu and Kashmir parts fof which are nowunder Pakistan's rule. We are ready, now please leave AJK and GB. We and the UN will conduct plebiscite as per UNSC resolution.

According to the Partition rules Muslim Majority regions went to Pakistan including East Bengal.

Is it just you or all of your type who don't understand one simple thing about the rules layed by British? It's Princely state Einstein. Partition was for the subjects of British India. That's why the Hyderabad (Indian) Nizam wants to Join Pakistan (despite having Hindu majority) and was allowed to keep his state for years after partition until India invaded it following the Razakar apprising in his country.

Even your beloved Nehru promised the world there would a referendum to decide the status of Kashmir, but as usual the dishonest Indian government never held a referendum in Kashmir to decide whether Kashmir should go to Pakistan or India.

Nehru and his words died along with him. Why we should have a referendum when many regions are under Pakistan's occupation? So, if you want you can follow the UNSC resolution 47 and remove the troops and Pakistani people in the region. Then India and UN will have plebiscite.

 

[The Eagle]

but like your pm said and our pm said kashmir is integral part of our nation.

I don't think so what he said, was meant as such... Read the post again with exact statement quoted by Geo News upon which, most of the Indian Media relied.

Selective approach with incomplete statement to mislead the masses, is a propaganda that need a bit of attention to prove as it worth. Read complete statement based upon two sentences, explaining about the deliberate floating idea. Every other source with selective lines depends upon Geo News hence, there is the complete version.

Weighing in on the narrative surrounding ‘independent Kashmir’, Abbasi remarked that “the idea is often floated around but has no reality.”

There is no support for the independent Kashmir demand, he claimed. “The people of Kashmir should be given the right to self-determination.”

kashmir issue has not given Pakistan anything other than trouble. as a nation pakistan have lost more for kashmir than it gained. its all about ego.

Pakistan is supporting Kashmir Cause on moral ground and raises the voice at any forum for awareness of issue. speaking for their right of determination actually tells contrary to the allegation of Pakistani ego.

 

[MultaniGuy]

For the entire Jammu and Kashmir parts fof which are nowunder Pakistan's rule. We are ready, now please leave AJK and GB. We and the UN will conduct plebiscite as per UNSC resolution.


Is it just you or all of your type who don't understand one simple thing about the rules layed by British? It's Princely state Einstein. Partition was for the subjects of British India. That's why the Hyderabad (Indian) Nizam wants to Join Pakistan (despite having Hindu majority) and was allowed to keep his state for years after partition until India invaded it following the Razakar apprising in his country.


Nehru and his words died along with him. Why we should have a referendum when many regions are under Pakistan's occupation? So, if you want you can follow the UNSC resolution 47 and remove the troops and Pakistani people in the region. Then India and UN will have plebiscite.

No thats not fair. We will not give Kashmir to India in a plate.

That is against the UN resolutions.

UN guards are supposed to maintain minimum security for Kashmir and then a plebiscite will be held under the UN auspices.

Nice try with your idiotic post again.

It is India which is not following the UN resolutions. India is at fault.

 

[Chhatrapati]

That is against the UN resolutions.

UN guards are supposed to maintain minimum security for Kashmir and then a plebiscite will be held under the UN auspices.

Google is your friend, go read UNSC resolution 47 than living in denial.

Nice try with your idiotic post again.

It is India which is not following the UN resolutions. India is at fault.

Your brilliance is shown in the whole post. I'm yet to see a Pakistani who has no idea on the history of Kashmir and the accession, but the wait has ended .

 

[MultaniGuy]

Google is your friend, go read UNSC resolution 47 than living in denial.


Your brilliance is shown in the whole post. I'm yet to see a Pakistani who has no idea on the history of Kashmir and the accession, but the wait has ended .

Don't spread your bullshit here.

It is the UN security who are supposed to ensure the plebiscite to happen, but India will never let the UN in Jammu and Kashmir.

Stop your bullshit here.

I cannot debate with idiots like yourself

Your idiocy is shown in your posts.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Don't spread your bullshit here.

It is the UN security who are supposed to ensure the plebiscite to happen, but India will never let the UN in Jammu and Kashmir.

Stop your bullshit here.

I cannot debate with idiots like yourself

Your idiocy is shown in your posts.

Your ignorance on the matter is pretty deplorable to an extend that I feel sorry for you.

You have gone so far to forget the works of your tribal leaders who fought side by side with Army. Too bad.

Read more, especially the UNSC resolution 47.
The final resolution adopted had two parts. The first part increased the Commission's strength to five members and asked it to proceed to the Indian subcontinent at once to mediate between India and Pakistan. The second part dealt with the Security council's recommendations for restoring peace and conducting a plebiscite. This involved three steps.[5][6]

• In the first step, Pakistan was asked to use its "best endeavours" to secure the withdrawal of all tribesmen and Pakistani nationals, putting an end to the fighting in the state.
• In the second step, India was asked to "progressively reduce" its forces to the minimum level required for keeping law and order. It laid down principles that India should follow in administering law and order in consultation with the Commission, using local personnel as far as possible.
• In the third step, India was asked to ensure that all the major political parties were invited to participate in the state government at the ministerial level, essentially forming a coalition cabinet. India should then appoint a Plebiscite Administrator nominated by the United Nations, who would have a range of powers including powers to deal with the two countries and ensure a free and impartial plebiscite. Measures were to be taken to ensure the return of refugees, the release of all political prisoners, and for political freedom.

 

[Areesh]

Your ignorance on the matter is pretty deplorable to an extend that I feel sorry for you.

Meh. The old lameas$ Indian excuse to not solve Kashmir issue ever. We have seen it a lot of times before too. Bring something new.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Meh. The old lameas$ Indian excuse to not solve Kashmir issue ever. We have seen it a lot of times before too. Bring something new.

They use that same old argument, when in reality it is India's fault for not letting the UN security into Jammu and Kashmir to resolve the dispute.

Your ignorance on the matter is pretty deplorable to an extend that I feel sorry for you.

You have gone so far to forget the works of your tribal leaders who fought side by side with Army. Too bad.

Read more, especially the UNSC resolution 47.
The final resolution adopted had two parts. The first part increased the Commission's strength to five members and asked it to proceed to the Indian subcontinent at once to mediate between India and Pakistan. The second part dealt with the Security council's recommendations for restoring peace and conducting a plebiscite. This involved three steps.[5][6]

• In the first step, Pakistan was asked to use its "best endeavours" to secure the withdrawal of all tribesmen and Pakistani nationals, putting an end to the fighting in the state.
• In the second step, India was asked to "progressively reduce" its forces to the minimum level required for keeping law and order. It laid down principles that India should follow in administering law and order in consultation with the Commission, using local personnel as far as possible.
• In the third step, India was asked to ensure that all the major political parties were invited to participate in the state government at the ministerial level, essentially forming a coalition cabinet. India should then appoint a Plebiscite Administrator nominated by the United Nations, who would have a range of powers including powers to deal with the two countries and ensure a free and impartial plebiscite. Measures were to be taken to ensure the return of refugees, the release of all political prisoners, and for political freedom.

You are using the same excuses for not being able to solve the Kashmir dispute. THe onus is on India to let the UN Security into Jammu and Kashmir to hold the plebiscite.

 

[Areesh]

They use that same old argument, when in reality it is India's fault for not letting the UN security into Jammu and Kashmir to resolve the dispute.

They actually think that people are stupid enough to believe in their excuses.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Your ignorance on the matter is pretty deplorable to an extend that I feel sorry for you.

You have gone so far to forget the works of your tribal leaders who fought side by side with Army. Too bad.

Read more, especially the UNSC resolution 47.
The final resolution adopted had two parts. The first part increased the Commission's strength to five members and asked it to proceed to the Indian subcontinent at once to mediate between India and Pakistan. The second part dealt with the Security council's recommendations for restoring peace and conducting a plebiscite. This involved three steps.[5][6]

• In the first step, Pakistan was asked to use its "best endeavours" to secure the withdrawal of all tribesmen and Pakistani nationals, putting an end to the fighting in the state.
• In the second step, India was asked to "progressively reduce" its forces to the minimum level required for keeping law and order. It laid down principles that India should follow in administering law and order in consultation with the Commission, using local personnel as far as possible.
• In the third step, India was asked to ensure that all the major political parties were invited to participate in the state government at the ministerial level, essentially forming a coalition cabinet. India should then appoint a Plebiscite Administrator nominated by the United Nations, who would have a range of powers including powers to deal with the two countries and ensure a free and impartial plebiscite. Measures were to be taken to ensure the return of refugees, the release of all political prisoners, and for political freedom.

Don't quote wikipedia you lame excuse for a debater!

 

[Chhatrapati]

You are an idiot. You are using the same excuses for not being able to solve the Kashmir dispute. THe onus is on India to let the UN Security into Jammu and Kashmir to hold the plebiscite.

When a Pakistani can't take facts. He resorts to name calling.

Without Pakistan removing troops, how do you think India would conduct a plebiscite in 1947?

It's not excuse, it's a disagreement between India and Pakistan that failed to solve the issue. Now that, a plebiscite is not possible as Pakistan has changed the demography of the region and have generations passed since the occupation.

Don't quote wikipedia you lame excuse for a debater!

Ignorance at display again. Wikipedia cite their source. it's not self proclaimed

They actually think that people are stupid enough to believe in their excuses.

Guess they are.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/77671/kashmir-issue-left-unmentioned-in-united-nations/

 

[MultaniGuy]

When a Pakistani can't take facts. He resorts to name calling.

Without Pakistan removing troops, how do you think India would conduct a plebiscite in 1947?

It's not excuse, it's a disagreement between India and Pakistan that failed to solve the issue. Now that, a plebiscite is not possible as Pakistan has changed the demography of the region and have generations passed since the occupation.


Ignorance at display again. Wikipedia cite their source. it's not self proclaimed


Guess they are.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/77671/kashmir-issue-left-unmentioned-in-united-nations/

Sorry but you are wrong.

According to the UN resolutions a UN security is supposed to ensure the plebiscite, not just a dominated Indian Kashmir with minimum troops this is where I disagree with you.

It is you who cannot take the facts.

This argument that Pakistanis troops have to withdraw blah, blah has been debunked already so many times on PDF.

Had it been an Indian forum, Indian members would be calling me idiot, nice try though.

You are refraining from using name calling because you know you would get banned.

When a Pakistani can't take facts. He resorts to name calling.

Without Pakistan removing troops, how do you think India would conduct a plebiscite in 1947?

It's not excuse, it's a disagreement between India and Pakistan that failed to solve the issue. Now that, a plebiscite is not possible as Pakistan has changed the demography of the region and have generations passed since the occupation.


Ignorance at display again. Wikipedia cite their source. it's not self proclaimed


Guess they are.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/77671/kashmir-issue-left-unmentioned-in-united-nations/

India is always the one saying that Kashmir is a bilateral issue, while Pakistan wants a third party to mediate.

But India runs away from mediation from a third party because they know they will lose.

Here it says that Pakistan withdraw troops to the LOC. Not complete withdrawal.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/08/world/kashmir-fast-facts/index.html

January 1, 1949 - India and Pakistan agree to withdraw all troops behind a mutually agreed ceasefire line, later known as the Line of Control.

Plebiscite is certainly on the table.

Pakistan has not changed the demography of Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir.

But it is India which has tried to change the demography of Jammu and Kashmir.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Sorry but you are wrong.

According to the UN resolutions a UN security is supposed to ensure the plebiscite, not just a dominated Indian Kashmir with minimum troops this is where I disagree with you.

It is you who cannot take the facts.

This argument that Pakistanis troops have to withdraw blah, blah has been debunked already so many times on PDF.

Had it been an Indian forum, Indian members would be calling me idiot, nice try though.

You are refraining from using name calling because you know you would get banned.

name calling are not for civilized people. There are uncivilized one's on either side, I agree with you.

UN is supposed to ensure plebiscite and how, with Pakistan forces on ground? Nice idea though.

I'm not worried about your forum ban. I don't want to call you an idiot just to win a debate. You are self explanatory.

India is always the one saying that Kashmir is a bilateral issue, while Pakistan wants a third party to mediate.

But India runs away from mediation from a third party because they know they will lose.

Here it says that Pakistan withdraw troops to the LOC. Not complete withdrawal.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/08/world/kashmir-fast-facts/index.html

January 1, 1949 - India and Pakistan agree to withdraw all troops behind a mutually agreed ceasefire line, later known as the Line of Control.

Plebiscite is certainly on the table.

Pakistan has not changed the demography of Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir.

But it is India which has tried to change the demography of Jammu and Kashmir.

Pakistan may or may not like a third party but after shimla agreement the issue becomes bilateral in nature.

Plebiscite is on your table and will remain so. On table.

If you haven't changed then good for you. Still a Plebiscite is not going to happen.

Can you provide any proof for India changing demography. Else your BS walks.