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Pakistan plans to construct motorway from Peshawar to Kabul

Actually it's a good idea. Just don't know who will pay for it..... Making the motorways is very smart.
Oh I have no doubt it is smart...I am asking who is paying for it and who is using it? Why arent politicians using it? Why they prefer choppers when they have such an excellent road (thats how their supporters advertise it)

Each Pakistani has a debt of 366 USD on his/her head, while its 150 for Bangladesh.
Tell that to those screaming DEVELOPMENT OR PROGRESS!!
 
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Pakistan's FOREX reserves are 14 billion.
Bangladesh's FOREX reserves are 23 billion.



Each Pakistani has a debt of 366 USD on his/her head, while its 150 for Bangladesh.
it is actually $16.5b this march. Get updated.

Also current regime got $11 in reserves, which the gov't grew to 16 in less than 2 years. The bangladeshi gov't meanwhile has the same head from previous election. If PPP didn't drop reserves from 18+ to 11b, then technically by having 5.5b from nawaz regime will put us just above Bangladesh, 23.5b.

Also you can't compare countries so easily. Bangladesh have a smaller GDP than Pakistan. Japan has debt of some 100k per person, does that mean they're doing awful? Again, as I told her, things aren't black and white. We're reducing our external debt, building AND growing reserves.

Is this before or after adding the new billions we borrowed these few months?


I agree PPP didnt do us much help but I am interested in trying to see how noon league is justifying their doings!

Growing reserves are good but how to sustain a growth is my question!


How does paying off debt devalue our currency? and is it worth keeping debt and accumulating interest?


Because this isnt development in its true sense....development is something you can sustain
Just because gov't says they'll be taking loans doesn't mean it gets added to external debt. The external debt falling is AFTER the last IMF tranch we got i believe. Regardless, our external debt has fallen $1.5b from all time high.

Stop reading between the lines. I said if gov't uses reserves to pay off debt, it'll devalue our currency. Of course if they had other means to do, it may even appreciate our currency!

#1 development for now is electricity, though not sure if it's #1 for current regime. Once energy crisis is solved, private sector will then do sustainable development. The public sector then can focus fully on health, education, law and order etc.

Gov't job is to provide pure public and club goods, not private goods.
 
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@WishLivePak

Also current regime got $11 in reserves, which the gov't grew to 16 in less than 2 years.

Cheaper oil prices did that. Overseas Pakistani remittance increased. GOP did what?

Also you can't compare countries so easily. Bangladesh have a smaller GDP than Pakistan.

Pakistan's borrowings are 30% of its GDP, while Its 23% for Bangladesh.
Regardless of GDP size, It was Per capita any way, which is a international norm, due to some countries being big (Population wise) and some smaller.

@WishLivePak

Japan has debt of some 100k per person, does that mean they're doing awful?

Japan is a net creditor (Not in the red but in a plus) because it has more overseas investments like Norway and others. Something that is not the case for precarious Pakistan.
The Myth that Japan is Broke: The World’s Largest “Debtor” is now the Largest Creditor | Global Research

@WishLivePak

We're reducing our external debt, building AND growing reserves.

Just because of falling oil prices coupled with increase in overseas remittance and GOP not spending money on electricity grid boost up (Rampant load shedding through out Pakistan) does not mean Nawaz Govt is efficient.
 
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Just because gov't says they'll be taking loans doesn't mean it gets added to external debt.
So where does it go to?

Also current regime got $11 in reserves, which the gov't grew to 16 in less than 2 years.
It is actually shameful considering what a resourceful country Pakistan is!

Also you can't compare countries so easily. Bangladesh have a smaller GDP than Pakistan. Japan has debt of some 100k per person, does that mean they're doing awful?
They actually have ways to pay it back, with INDUSTRIES....sounds foreign?

Stop reading between the lines. I said if gov't uses reserves to pay off debt, it'll devalue our currency. Of course if they had other means to do, it may even appreciate our currency!
I am not reading between lines, I am asking you to think and think about which is more important in the long run? Priorities...

#1 development for now is electricity, though not sure if it's #1 for current regime.
THAT is the problem I have highlighted in a few threads already...without electricity you cant expect to get industries to work up to target and to actually get income...to help reduce the debt! Shouldnt that be a priority over building roads and more roads and more roads? People arent exactly gonna eat roads you know!

Once energy crisis is solved,
Reports have been dragging it to new eras....something along the lines it isnt gonna be solved in our lifetime!

This all happens from planning had the govt planned properly we wouldnt have crashed so dramatically! And even now, Noon isnt planning, roads alone doesnt make a country developed!

The public sector then can focus fully on health, education, law and order etc.
Again priorities are wrong! The rich can go overseas for their health care where are the "common and poor people" gonna go?

And it is basically because of lack of education we keep having to deal with PPP and their likes over and over!

Thanks to lack of law and order we have kids being arrested while not a single rapist being sent to the gallows!

I believe these are more important than having highways! PEOPLE matter more and PEOPLE need food, shelter, clothing along which comes medical care and education THAN only can one brag about development!

When PIA is not allowed to fly in a Muslim country like Malaysia, or this >>> Pack up: Malaysia Airlines calls it quits in Pakistan - The Express Tribune - What development & what progress?
2012? Really? And exactly what did you justify or even show?
 
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@WishLivePak

Also current regime got $11 in reserves, which the gov't grew to 16 in less than 2 years.

Cheaper oil prices did that. Overseas Pakistani remittance increased. GOP did what?

Also you can't compare countries so easily. Bangladesh have a smaller GDP than Pakistan.

Pakistan's borrowings are 30% of its GDP, while Its 23% for Bangladesh.
Regardless of GDP size, It was Per capita any way, which is a international norm, due to some countries being big (Population wise) and some smaller.

@WishLivePak

Japan has debt of some 100k per person, does that mean they're doing awful?

Japan is a net creditor (Not in the red but in a plus) because it has more overseas investments like Norway and others. Something that is not the case for precarious Pakistan.
The Myth that Japan is Broke: The World’s Largest “Debtor” is now the Largest Creditor | Global Research

@WishLivePak

We're reducing our external debt, building AND growing reserves.

Just because of falling oil prices coupled with increase in overseas remittance and GOP not spending money on electricity grid boost up (Rampant load shedding through out Pakistan) does not mean Nawaz Govt is efficient.
Again you are comparing things the wrong way. World isn't black and white.

1) You are saying that Pakistan's external debt have fallen and reserves have rose because of cheaper oil. That is true, but not truest. Compared to all neighboring countries except Iran, we charge around 69 cents per liter. Meanwhile Bangladesh charges sub 100 cents (both USD), per liter. Indeed the 30% of extra revenue can give Bangladesh a bigger boost, reducing external debt and increasing reserves if the gov't chooses to do so. There is a research done on this, you can ask @Jungibaaz as he is familiar with it.

2) Oh and Pakistan isn't the only country in the world to get remittance. Bangladesh gets it too. But remittance in just two years, including slight oil profits, in two years will not help gov't by $7b. Let's not forget many times gov't gave subsidies when oil prices were high, so they were actually losing money. So again, it isn't black and white.

Give this a read: Overseas Pakistanis send $14.9bn as global remittances grow - Newspaper - DAWN.COM Bangladesh actually received more remittance than Pakistan.

Please do better research before posting.

So where does it go to?


It is actually shameful considering what a resourceful country Pakistan is!


They actually have ways to pay it back, with INDUSTRIES....sounds foreign?


I am not reading between lines, I am asking you to think and think about which is more important in the long run? Priorities...


THAT is the problem I have highlighted in a few threads already...without electricity you cant expect to get industries to work up to target and to actually get income...to help reduce the debt! Shouldnt that be a priority over building roads and more roads and more roads? People arent exactly gonna eat roads you know!


Reports have been dragging it to new eras....something along the lines it isnt gonna be solved in our lifetime!



This all happens from planning had the govt planned properly we wouldnt have crashed so dramatically! And even now, Noon isnt planning, roads alone doesnt make a country developed!


Again priorities are wrong! The rich can go overseas for their health care where are the "common and poor people" gonna go?

And it is basically because of lack of education we keep having to deal with PPP and their likes over and over!

Thanks to lack of law and order we have kids being arrested while not a single rapist being sent to the gallows!

I believe these are more important than having highways! PEOPLE matter more and PEOPLE need food, shelter, clothing along which comes medical care and education THAN only can one brag about development!


2012? Really? And exactly what did you justify or even show?

Honestly, wth.

If gov't has said it'll take loan, it does NOT get added to external debt. It gets added after it takes it. Gov't accounts are not built on speculations or words, but actual actions. If gov't tomorrow says it'll borrow $17 trillion dollars, it won't get added until it actually borrows that money. So it goes nowhere.

Indeed Pakistan is a resourceful country, but it doesn't turn around in two years, after the shape previous gov't gave it in.

Gov't isn't building only roads in Pakistan. They are building many more things. Roads are easier and cheaper to make, hence it makes the news often. Oh and industries love roads. If a motorway between sialkot and lahore is made, or between kabul and peshawar, it is going to help industrialist.

Pakistan is not a welfare state nor can it become. Indeed what you say is what people need, but Pakistan cannot afford it. We are a nation of 200m with a gdp that is low per capita. Hence, it'll bankrupt our gov't if we start to increase welfare. Pakistan needs development before welfare. Go look at any history of powerful nation. It went through development before it gave welfare. If you go welfare before development, as is the case for Cuba, you suffer.
 
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If gov't has said it'll take loan, it does NOT get added to external debt. It gets added after it takes it. Gov't accounts are not built on speculations or words, but actual actions. If gov't tomorrow says it'll borrow $17 trillion dollars, it won't get added until it actually borrows that money. So it goes nowhere.
I am talking about the overall loan TAKEN not said...There are multiple threads opened regarding approval of loan....

Indeed Pakistan is a resourceful country, but it doesn't turn around in two years, after the shape previous gov't gave it in.
Yea...but you seem to think KPK can...which mind you is in a far worse condition than any other province ever was or has been!
So if you think IK can turn it in 2yrs...why no confidence in your govt's magic?

Gov't isn't building only roads in Pakistan. They are building many more things. Roads are easier and cheaper to make, hence it makes the news often.
I am not sure what you are comparing easy or cheap to!

Oh and industries love roads. If a motorway between sialkot and lahore is made, or between kabul and peshawar, it is going to help industrialist.
Yes, but industries also NEED electricity....which should be given an EQUAL priority!

Pakistan is not a welfare state nor can it become. Indeed what you say is what people need, but Pakistan cannot afford it.
IT CAN...the prob is that people like you keep discouraging it by supporting corrupted people!

Hence, it'll bankrupt our gov't if we start to increase welfare.
I dont think better education + medical is going to make a country go down! I mean if you want roads and rule a dead nation or sheep...Yes Pakistan is going down THAT road!

Pakistan needs development before welfare.
Pakistan needs both...But what it needs ahead of the other is to make sure the services provided are not going to be misused because the people are illiterate....

EVERYONE knows that an uneducated population is what OUR POLITICIANS want! And history has shown us over and over that this UNEDUCATED lot has caused MORE (problems and fixing them) than the budget for development....

Go look at any history of powerful nation. It went through development before it gave welfare. If you go welfare before development, as is the case for Cuba, you suffer.
I am sure those nations did not keep militant wings or take 37 car convoy around! THEY actually worked AND used the infrastructure (roads, metros and stuff) instead of juicing the nation with bureaucrats who just sit in the office not knowing anything going around...
 
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I am talking about the overall loan TAKEN not said...There are multiple threads opened regarding approval of loan....


Yea...but you seem to think KPK can...which mind you is in a far worse condition than any other province ever was or has been!
So if you think IK can turn it in 2yrs...why no confidence in your govt's magic?

I am not sure what you are comparing easy or cheap to!


Yes, but industries also NEED electricity....which should be given an EQUAL priority!

IT CAN...the prob is that people like you keep discouraging it by supporting corrupted people!


I dont think better education + medical is going to make a country go down! I mean if you want roads and rule a dead nation or sheep...Yes Pakistan is going down THAT road!


Pakistan needs both...But what it needs ahead of the other is to make sure the services provided are not going to be misused because the people are illiterate....

EVERYONE knows that an uneducated population is what OUR POLITICIANS want! And history has shown us over and over that this UNEDUCATED lot has caused MORE (problems and fixing them) than the budget for development....


I am sure those nations did not keep militant wings or take 37 car convoy around! THEY actually worked AND used the infrastructure (roads, metros and stuff) instead of juicing the nation with bureaucrats who just sit in the office not knowing anything going around...
I didn't say KP can be turned in 2 years. Where did I say that?

In fact I posted article which said 7% growth is not true. Hence my point stands, things can't turn over in 2 years.
Quit trying to put words in my mouth.

Oh and education falls under provincial gov't. Please ask your magical gov't in kp to improve it. Then other provinces can copy it like they did with Sehat ka insaaf.
 
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I didn't say KP can be turned in 2 years. Where did I say that?
Not here but repeatedly

In fact I posted article which said 7% growth is not true. Hence my point stands, things can't turn over in 2 years.
Fair enough!

Oh and education falls under provincial gov't. Please ask your magical gov't in kp to improve it. Then other provinces can copy it like they did with Sehat ka insaaf.
Oh so all brain power is in KP whats left for the PM to do? Should his priority be for our future (the youth and children)?
 
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Not here but repeatedly


Fair enough!


Oh so all brain power is in KP whats left for the PM to do? Should his priority be for our future (the youth and children)?
Not here but repeatedly, ha!

Girl, bring up the post where I said KP was to turn in 2 years. But you know what, it is so hard for you to accept your fault. I posted article and hence you got the idea.

I think you need to understand level of gov't. Federal gov't cannot interfere in the matters of provincial gov't. It will have to go through senate, where it'd be striken down.

So to accuse of PM not doing something he isn't capable of, wow girl. Very easy to sit behind computer screen and talk how Pakistan can be welfare state, how federal gov't should look at health and education (even though when it falls on provincial gov't).

You know even in Canada, US and many other nations, education falls under provincial gov't. Health care too in Canada. And Canada's education isn't perfect. We pay a lot of tax to gov't and it doesn't provide enough subsidy. But do we complain? Nope. We blame whoever it falls under.

So when KP gov't will fail for something constitutionaly it is liable for, you will blame Nawaz. Shows your bias.

PM has to do what he is constitutionally liable for. Or he does what he is capable of. If senate or parliament will not allow him to do something, he simply can't. This isn't US that he can put forth it as presidential order.
 
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Dude when you are the top shark you take the blame! That is called leadership otherwise its chicken shit :D
lol, please think before you reply.

Also please understand how gov't and economy functions. It isn't run on sentiments or emotions. Rather, it runs according to the constitution. The big fish in this case in KP minister, who is responsible if ministry of education fails.

This is like blaming the UN for the failings of education. UN has no jurisdiction over education in provinces. It can talk talk, just as Nawaz can.
 
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This is like blaming the UN for the failings of education. UN has no jurisdiction over education in provinces. It can talk talk, just as Nawaz can.
Nawaz being equated to UN is beyond nonsense!
 
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Nawaz being equated to UN is beyond nonsense!
And Federal gov't being equated to provincial is not nonsense?

I was merely trying to show your fallacy. But it seems you will continue to live in cu cu land.
 
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