Pakistan opposes UN Council permanent seat to India

[Pakistani shaheens]

telling about we are suffering from cross border terrorism to the world and un, is not a propaganda.

So that means its also right labelling india as terrorists as we are the prime target of these terrorists.

tibet, xin jiang, taiwan, and recently hong kong protests, something is wrong there too.
Or have you forgotten that how many tibetans have been crushed under the tanks, human right violation in uyghur area?

Tibet, Xin jiang and these areas which you have mentioned are all parts of china there are no separatist rather insurgents and plus there is also no human rights violation in uyghyr or any other area, but i cant say the same about kashmir and other parts of india where people are seeking independence.

No, we don't hate Pakistan, we hate Terrorists but the problem is those guys come from Pakistan.

No actually its totally opposite to this, you guys are just using the the word terrorists to bash Pakistan in world in order to suit your own interest.

List of countries by number of UN peacekeepers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ok may be Pakistan is not on the top, but still look at this list again! we are still there. You cant exclude out Pakistan from the world politics because Pakistan holds its importance in this world too.
The very reason why bush came here in Pakistan for seeking help regarding war on terror instead of going towards india is also an ample example of how much weight do we have in this region. And another thing is Russia inclination towards us is also a validity of our importance.
And economically we may not be at top ten but we are surely on our way upto that spot, and there is also no doubt about it as also indicated by experts. And militarily, we are most important muslim country in this planet as we are only muslim country with weapons of mass destruction with 200+mill population.
So its just stupid to omit Pakistan out of the world politics by saying it dont have any importance.

what about our own country.

Kashmir

who are they separatists,rebels,mujahedeen or Terrorists??

Kashmir issue is different from rest, as in kashmir people are seeking independence while on other parts which jamahir have mentioned are actually the terrorists which targets innocent people.

 

[Kompromat]

Time to to lobby GCC, Arab League, ECO and OIC. As soon as Modi visits Israel, time would be right. India can't join UNSC while occupying Muslim lands.

 

[doppelganger]

Time to to lobby GCC, Arab League, ECO and OIC. As soon as Modi visits Israel, time would be right. India can't join UNSC while occupying Muslim lands.

How does a land become muslim. I thought people were muslim.

 

[Bang Galore]

Time to to lobby GCC, Arab League, ECO and OIC. As soon as Modi visits Israel, time would be right. India can't join UNSC while occupying Muslim lands.

Its been time to lobby all of those groups a long time ago. Don't think anyone there is interested in taking your side.

 

[Kompromat]

How does a land become muslim. I thought people were muslim.

Just like there can be a Hindu Rashtra.

Its been time to lobby all of those groups a long time ago. Don't think anyone there is interested in taking your side.

We will see.

Its been time to lobby all of those groups a long time ago. Don't think anyone there is interested in taking your side.

We will see.

 

[Bang Galore]

We will see.

We will indeed.

 

[Blue_Eyes]

i don't understand... please repost in simpler words.

I am saying according to you, uyghurs are not muslims??
And all around the world muslims(like ISIS) who are fighting for whatever the reason, are also not muslims??
Then who are those guys, if they are not the muslims??

 

[lightoftruth]

U.N. Secretary-General on one feet in India.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Time to to lobby GCC, Arab League, ECO and OIC. As soon as Modi visits Israel, time would be right. India can't join UNSC while occupying Muslim lands.

No P5 member has promised to expand veto rights.

We already have such a headache with only 5 veto powers. If that gets doubled (as per the wishes of the G4) then the UNSC won't be able to do anything at all.

That's why UNSC reforms have been constantly delayed for around a decade now.

And if the reform resolution eventually bypasses all the delays, we are going to veto it. We've already said that any UNSC reform resolution that includes Japan will be vetoed, as long as we still have a territorial dispute with them.

So the reform resolution is dead anyway. Russia will probably veto alongside us (like on the Syria resolution) because most of the G4 are pro-America (Germany/Japan/India/Brazil).

Germany will mean 3 European powers on the UNSC. Which won't be acceptable, UK or France will have to share their seat.

Brazil is opposed by most of their neighbors in Latin America.

Japan has territorial disputes with 2 permanent members, China and Russia. China is guaranteed to veto their entry (i.e. the entire resolution).

India is opposed by Pakistan, and they have a territorial dispute with China. Until that dispute is solved, they won't have a chance either.

Right now the strategy is to simply delay the reforms ad infinitum, which is easier than an outright veto. The G4 has complained regularly, but nothing changes on the ground:

Delays in UNSC reforms will diminish its relevance: G4 bloc - Economic Times

PTIMay 10, 2014, 02.42PM IST

UNITED NATIONS: The G4 bloc of Brazil,Germany, India and Japan has said "status quo" and "artificial delays" in implementing the UNSC reforms will diminish the relevance of the United Nations, even as Pakistan called the grouping a "minority" that wants to reconfigure the Security Council to secure "their national interests."

 

[jamahir]

I am saying according to you, uyghurs are not muslims??

that is not what i said.

saying "uyghur" are fighting prc is the same as saying the "chechen" are fighting russia... both very wrong.

the uyghur are very much muslim, with only a few brainwashed criminals fighting prc, and these criminals are supported by criminals groups like hizb-ut-tahrir, transnational groups created by cia against russia and prc... do you know from where hizb-ut-tahrir derives its ideology from... close to your region.

it is all a geopolitical game... western bloc against eastern bloc.

And all around the world muslims(like ISIS) who are fighting for whatever the reason, are also not muslims??

Then who are those guys, if they are not the muslims??

munafik... fake-muslim... created by western governments against socialist muslim nations and socialism generally.

who are the taliban?? what is qaeda??

what was in afghanistan and somalia before cia and usa military did regime-changes there??

why do these groups generally never attack israel or saudia??

qaeda, hizb-ut-tahrir, taliban, jemah, shabaab, fsa, ntc, nusra, isis, ikhwaan etc etc... all are creations or supportings of western governments against true muslims and true islam and world socialism.

 

[sancho]

Time to to lobby GCC, Arab League, ECO and OIC

Why, would they be against the 3rd largest muslim population in the world getting to a meaningful position and possibly even have a veto right in the UNC?
If we go that low to take religion as the deciding factor, they actually should support India whole-heartedly!

 

[ares]

India's Quest For Permanent UN Security Council Seat: The Ball Is In China’s Court | Business Insider India

"SEP 26, 2014, 02.00 PM
During his recent visit to India, Chinese President Xi Jinping made a statement that he will support India for a permanent membership in the UN Security Council (UNSC)."

 

[Blue_Eyes]

So that means its also right labelling india as terrorists as we are the prime target of these terrorists.

do you see any Indian involvement on that?

Tibet, Xin jiang and these areas which you have mentioned are all parts of china there are no separatist rather insurgents and plus there is also no human rights violation in uyghyr or any other area, but i cant say the same about kashmir and other parts of india where people are seeking independence.

man say it honestly and frankly, have you ever met any tibetan boy or girl or just saying it because you are so much depending on china to counter India that even you will bear that muslims women are not allowed there to wear a veil or men are not allowed to grow a beard?

No actually its totally opposite to this, you guys are just using the the word terrorists to bash Pakistan in world in order to suit your own interest.

we are not bashing pakistan, we need friendship with pakistan but terrorism is the problem.

So its just stupid to omit Pakistan out of the world politics by saying it dont have any importance.

no one is omitting you, even the country like cuba has its importance, you guys are thinking wrong.
But we have better position in the world than you, its a fact.

 

[axisofevil]

Neither just criminals

Time to to lobby GCC, Arab League, ECO and OIC. As soon as Modi visits Israel, time would be right. India can't join UNSC while occupying Muslim lands.

The land even yours was never HINDU to begin with. Do you need a history lesson to show you how and when Muslims came to the area?

 

[sancho]

Germany will mean 3 European powers on the UNSC. Which won't be acceptable, UK or France will have to share their seat.

Which they won't and simply turn against Germany to remain in their prefered position. With the growing political and defence relation of the UK and France and the constant restrain of Germany to commit themselfs to conflicts, there is no chance for Germany to be a permanent member. India actually would have it easier, if the government moves away from the aim to reform the UNC on a larger scale, since all 5 current veto powers would support India alone, while the problems are the other possible new members. China logically will support India, because of the relations in the BRICS and common political aims in Asia vs the western countries, but that's also the reason why the US will insist on getting Japan on board too, to remain with an advantage.