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Pakistan one of the least racist countries? Tell that to the Pakhtuns

Most racist ethnicities in Pakistan
1-Sindhis
2-Pukhtons
3-MQM allied Urdu Speaking
4-Non Punjab based Punjabis
Most liberals are
1-General Urdu Speakers
2-Hazaras
3-Baloch
4-Punjabis
Sectarian based bias
1-Shias
2-Deubandis
 
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Oh I forgot one thing. Within Punjabis, the lahories are one of the most biased people. Often lahories would form groupings and are generally (not all) the worst of the Punjabis.
 
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The conclusion from this thread: Pakistanis dont like to hear that racism exists in their country (I found them cheering when India was labeled as very racist country). The author of blog is Punjabi , so he is talking from Punjab's perspective, it doesnt mean xenophobia and racism against Pashtuns doesn't exist in Sindh and Kashmir. In my personal opinion, Karachi is at the top of list in racism and hostility against Pashtuns, also historically speaking the racist stereotypes about Pashtuns grew in the region around Delhi and UP in 18th century, from there it spreads to other regions through Urdu language. The culprits were Mughals and elite ashrafia of that belt, who were shaken up from external and internal attacks and turbulence of war-like Pashtuns. Sikhs also devastated the Delhi and Doab in 18th century, so they were also gifted with certain stereotypes through power of pen.

The Persian nobility of Awadh in 18th century had the official policy of eradicating Pashtun presence from U.P and for that Asif-Daula even sought the help of Jats and Marathas against Bangash as well as Rohillas. Bangashs under Ahmad Khan even occupied Awadh for some a some time and laid waste the country in revenge of destruction of their own state by combined power of Awadh, Jats and Marathas. Asif-ul-daula was able to recover his country and with the help of Marthas he defeated both Rohilla and bangash afghans, pushing them towards jungles of kumaon. The Afghans families in jungles would have been starved to death in siege by Marathas, Mughals and awadh, if Abdali had not invaded from west in 1752. His son Shuja-ud-daula adopted dual policy but at the end sought help of East India company to eradicate Rohilla power in Doab. Lucknow became centre of U.P and thus they dedicated the image of "pathans" through their literature.
Conclusion from this thread is, you are an Afghan who has nothing to do with how it is in Pakistan. You are nobody to distribute certificates to Pakistanis of what they are. You are a shameless Afghan bagger who is showing your true color and character, a true ( محسن کش ) attitude, no wonder your country is a stone age shit hole, for this very attitude of yours. You have outlived our hospitality and hence you must leave our country and go back to the rat hole called Janglistan aka Afghanistan.

محسن کش۔ جس تھالی میں کھاتے ہیں اسی میں تھوکتے ہیں۔ منحوس لوگ۔

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Angels are obviously not sitting in the center and I am a long time proponent of a weaker center and stronger provinces, a confederation over a federation. Issues are there and some are legitimate too, and it is the job of the KPK government to get them resolved and take the matter to the SC if needed. As far longer route of economic corridor passing through Punjab is concerned, I made myself very clear in one of the threads on that subject. I am standing with KPK and Balochistan and I believe that the shorter route connecting economically deprived areas of KPK and Balochistan is better. However, KPK and Balochistan government should come forward and pro-actively act to improve the security situation in their respective provinces so that center is remained with no excuse such as security.
kpk govt went to supreme court twice and won, there was an ordered issue but federation laughed it out! during zardari era a new deal was signed in which fedration agreed to pay 25 billion in 7 years trenches, first was payed but new govt is refusing to pay it. Probably because of PTI govt? i think PML N would have payed it had there been a PML N govt in KPK.

fact is Baluchistan royalities have been payed regularly since 18th amendment, only KPK govt royalities due to political reasons and some of sindh govt remain in oil sector due to lack of legislation

i dont consider the corridor project is a game changer from it will pass, it would be game changer for pakistan and may be gawadar though. Real game changer will be chinese investment in power sector

education, health, taxation and energy reforms are the game changer.
 
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kpk govt went to supreme court twice and won, there was an ordered issue but federation laughed it out! during zardari era a new deal was signed in which fedration agreed to pay 25 billion in 7 years trenches, first was payed but new govt is refusing to pay it. Probably because of PTI govt? i think PML N would have payed it had there been a PML N govt in KPK.

fact is Baluchistan royalities have been payed regularly since 18th amendment, only KPK govt royalities due to political reasons and some of sindh govt remain in oil sector due to lack of legislation

i dont consider the corridor project is a game changer from it will pass, it would be game changer for pakistan and may be gawadar though. Real game changer will be chinese investment in power sector

education, health, taxation and energy reforms are the game changer.
With dialogues and perseverance issues can be resolved. The KPK PM has to show some statesmanship, something that has not touched him even remotely. I do not think the Federal government can punish the entire KPK only because PTI is governing it.

Besides, if IK could go for a 'dharna' to highlight the rigging issue, cant he stage something similar for the rights of KPK people? Tens of thousands will join him in this just cause.
 
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With dialogues and perseverance issues can be resolved. The KPK PM has to show some statesmanship, something that has not touched him even remotely. I do not think the Federal government can punish the entire KPK only because PTI is governing it.

apparently thats happening, the law makers from PML N also joined hand and did a sit in infront imperilment it didnt chang anything. they decided to forcefully close supply but ashaq dar said that they are causing mayhem and they decided not to do.

i think the only option l blow up the electricity towers!
mean while two hydro projects being built by KPK needed sovereign grantee for loans but federal govt refused citing cost of 6rs/unit too much??!!
the KPK newspapers have daily portion of news dedicated to such things and its making federation weaker.

dialogue only works if both parties are serious
 
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Most racist ethnicities in Pakistan
1-Sindhis
2-Pukhtons
3-MQM allied Urdu Speaking
4-Non Punjab based Punjabis
Most liberals are
1-General Urdu Speakers
2-Hazaras
3-Baloch
4-Punjabis
Sectarian based bias
1-Shias
2-Deubandis

i have worked in punjab as a doctor TMO, when i use to wore clothes every police men would stop me call em "khan sahab" even chokeedar at hospital (for the first time) would call me as"khan sahab" kia kar rehey?. I was never insulted so much as i have been punjab; by every type of person.
of course i have to show my medical card to get things straight in most of the time. surprisingly i am not even a pathan (i belong to hazara) comparing to this i have been working in rural KPK under PPI program and i was not insulted as such even though i use to speak urdu as my pushto isnt good.

yet you say punjabis are non racist and dont even come in the list that is extreme over optimistic bias. In reality all of the problem of fedration have been due to punjab behavior, noone in their sound mind will deny this.


i cant say much about sindhis i have only met them outside pakistan, they usually stick to them selves and are really nationalist regarding their language
 
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i have worked in punjab as a doctor TMO, when i use to wore clothes every police men would stop me call em "khan sahab" even chokeedar at hospital (for the first time) would call me as"khan sahab" kia kar rehey?. I was never insulted so much as i have been punjab; by every type of person.
of course i have to show my medical card to get things straight in most of the time. surprisingly i am not even a pathan (i belong to hazara) comparing to this i have been working in rural KPK under PPI program and i was not insulted as such even though i use to speak urdu as my pushto isnt good.

yet you say punjabis are non racist and dont even come in the list that is extreme over optimistic bias. In reality all of the problem of fedration have been due to punjab behavior, noone in their sound mind will deny this.


i cant say much about sindhis i have only met them outside pakistan, they usually stick to them selves and are really nationalist regarding their language
Never knew "Khan sahib" was being considered as an insult.
 
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Never knew "Khan sahib" was being considered as an insult.
its good that you know now atleast (hopefully)!

ever wondered why in KPK we had govts of PML N,PPP,ANP,MMA and PTI but in punjab no other party even PTI/PPPP ever won
 
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its good that you know now atleast (hopefully)!

ever wondered why in KPK we had govts of PML N,PPP,ANP,MMA and PTI but in punjab no other party even PTI/PPPP ever won
KPK vote bank is also ethnically distributed. PMLN maintains a strong hold in Hazara belt. Pukhtoon belt is more regionally decided. However, a look at all ANP,QWP,AJIP,JI,JUIF and now PTI would reveal that pukhtoon nationalism is the key factor in the political dynamics of these areas.
 
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This is very huge unheard claim, you need to back it up with references like newspaper article or other published material so that i can establish whether the very claim even exist or not.

Apparently one of those innumerable tall tales contrived by ahle zuban to prove each other how evil the Sons of the soil are and how hapless have been they themselves. The villains are often changed depending on the ethnicity of the enemy who needs to be humiliated and humbled. The villains were Punjabis when the last time I heard this story from a true founder of Pakistan. So the story went like this. At the time of partition when us, the true founders of Pakistan (non-Punjabi migrants), came at the Wagah border drenched in our own blood; leaving behind all our wealth, lush farmlands and huge Bangalows in India for the love of Pakistan; the evil Punjabis mistreated us and diverted the trains full of us banyan e Pakistan towards Karachi saying disparagingly that "Pakistan agey hey." Go figure!

P.S: I wonder you haven't been banned yet. The chokidar, seemingly, is busy dusting off his huge collection of Altaf Bhai's khutbaat and irshadaat.
 
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its good that you know now atleast (hopefully)!

ever wondered why in KPK we had govts of PML N,PPP,ANP,MMA and PTI but in punjab no other party even PTI/PPPP ever won

Ever wondered why KPK politics are centered around one ethnic group pakhtuns who are just half of KPK population? According to samandari at least half the of pashto speaking are not even pashtuns, and Im not even counting Hazara division. Obviosly these non-pashtun pashto speaking people are not recent migrants but natives.

And PPP used to popular in Punjab before 2013 elections.
 
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its good that you know now atleast (hopefully)!

ever wondered why in KPK we had govts of PML N,PPP,ANP,MMA and PTI but in punjab no other party even PTI/PPPP ever won
You are not right about PPP never governed Punjab.
 
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The conclusion from this thread: Pakistanis dont like to hear that racism exists in their country (I found them cheering when India was labeled as very racist country). The author of blog is Punjabi , so he is talking from Punjab's perspective, it doesnt mean xenophobia and racism against Pashtuns doesn't exist in Sindh and Kashmir. In my personal opinion, Karachi is at the top of list in racism and hostility against Pashtuns, also historically speaking the racist stereotypes about Pashtuns grew in the region around Delhi and UP in 18th century, from there it spreads to other regions through Urdu language. The culprits were Mughals and elite ashrafia of that belt, who were shaken up from external and internal attacks and turbulence of war-like Pashtuns. Sikhs also devastated the Delhi and Doab in 18th century, so they were also gifted with certain stereotypes through power of pen.

The Persian nobility of Awadh in 18th century had the official policy of eradicating Pashtun presence from U.P and for that Asif-Daula even sought the help of Jats and Marathas against Bangash as well as Rohillas. Bangashs under Ahmad Khan even occupied Awadh for some a some time and laid waste the country in revenge of destruction of their own state by combined power of Awadh, Jats and Marathas. Asif-ul-daula was able to recover his country and with the help of Marthas he defeated both Rohilla and bangash afghans, pushing them towards jungles of kumaon. The Afghans families in jungles would have been starved to death in siege by Marathas, Mughals and awadh, if Abdali had not invaded from west in 1752. His son Shuja-ud-daula adopted dual policy but at the end sought help of East India company to eradicate Rohilla power in Doab. Lucknow became centre of U.P and thus they dedicated the image of "pathans" through their literature.

The conclusion from this thread: Pakistanis dont like to hear that racism exists in their country (I found them cheering when India was labeled as very racist country). The author of blog is Punjabi , so he is talking from Punjab's perspective, it doesnt mean xenophobia and racism against Pashtuns doesn't exist in Sindh and Kashmir. In my personal opinion, Karachi is at the top of list in racism and hostility against Pashtuns, also historically speaking the racist stereotypes about Pashtuns grew in the region around Delhi and UP in 18th century, from there it spreads to other regions through Urdu language. The culprits were Mughals and elite ashrafia of that belt, who were shaken up from external and internal attacks and turbulence of war-like Pashtuns. Sikhs also devastated the Delhi and Doab in 18th century, so they were also gifted with certain stereotypes through power of pen.

The Persian nobility of Awadh in 18th century had the official policy of eradicating Pashtun presence from U.P and for that Asif-Daula even sought the help of Jats and Marathas against Bangash as well as Rohillas. Bangashs under Ahmad Khan even occupied Awadh for some a some time and laid waste the country in revenge of destruction of their own state by combined power of Awadh, Jats and Marathas. Asif-ul-daula was able to recover his country and with the help of Marthas he defeated both Rohilla and bangash afghans, pushing them towards jungles of kumaon. The Afghans families in jungles would have been starved to death in siege by Marathas, Mughals and awadh, if Abdali had not invaded from west in 1752. His son Shuja-ud-daula adopted dual policy but at the end sought help of East India company to eradicate Rohilla power in Doab. Lucknow became centre of U.P and thus they dedicated the image of "pathans" through their literature.

I don't agree man, Karachi is the most diverse city of Pakistan with 5 million Pashtuns, just ask Shahid Afridi, he's a proud Karachiite and wouldn't move anywhere else, he even lives in a Urdu-speaking dominant area called Gulshan-e-Iqbal.

Karachi is a very big city home to 20 million people, there are many bad areas in the city but also good areas too, where i live in south karachi, in my neighborhood I have 3 wealthy Pashtun families nearby and i have gotten to know many pashtuns studying here, my own Quran teacher when I was a kid was a Pashtun lady from Mardan, they have rarely have problems, this area falls under NA250 and we voted for PTI, I would say the parts of Karachi that are safe for Pukhtuns are DHA,Clifton,Malir,Saddar,PECHS,Bahadurabad,Karsaz and parts of Gulshan, but once you go north into the Federal B Areas and Orangi/kuti pahari then it gets dangerous, that's where MQM has it's stronghold, there also areas where Pukhtuns have mafias and harass non Pashtuns, those areas are Sohrab Goth,Pukhtunabad,Saadi town,kuty pahari(they live on a mountain) and other such areas, these areas we avoid going, then there are Baloch areas such as Lyari,Hub,Kemari etc that are very dangerous are rife with gangs and even presence of BLA there, so not all of karachi is racist or dangerous, it's a big city with multi-dimensional ways of crime and racism, if you stick to the nice areas then you shouldn't ever have any issues.

Source:I lived the past 10 years in karachi, know the city fairly well.

Ethnic map of Karachi

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I am from FB area, like I said every street has quite a few punjabis
FB areas has few punjabis, if you come to DHA/Clifton then you will find punjabis everywhere
 
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Utter hogwash. Any Pakhtun with a Pakistani Flag in hand will be loved as a Pakistani. Any enemy of Pakistan will be hated by Pakistanis, no matter what their nationality is ( whether Punjabis, Urdu, Baloch, Sindhi or Pakhtuns ).

Love Pakistan or Leave Pakistan, it is that simple.
 
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