pakistan new AIR DEFENCE SYSTEM procurement

[Akasa]

HQ-19, HQ-26 and HQ-29. Make Your own choice.

I hope China can be more open with its systems.

By the way, the current iteration of the HQ-9 series, the HQ-9B, is pretty good.



PAC is anti-missile specific. Its small warhead, while making the missile compact, is only really effective against small targets. The US enjoys air superiority and hence no need for air defence in the traditional sence of the phrase.

For a system that dealS with both aircraft and missile, you need systems other than the Patriot.

HQ-19, HQ-26, and HQ-29 are not SAMs but rather ABMs.

 

[Arsalan]

Sir jee Post 31# may answer your concern better if the link to be believed ..



Source Janab ??[/QUOTE ]
That too states 6 radars for for some 48 launch vehicles i guess. Anyway, one reason MAY be the idea we discussed a few posts earlier but as mentioned, that is pure speculation, NOT A FACT!!

 

[Rafael]

Todays Dawn story:


The report pointed out that Pakistan remains China’s “primary customer” for conventional weapons and China engages in both arms sales and defence industrial cooperation with Pakistan.

This includes joint production of LY-80 surface-to-air missile systems, F-22P frigates with helicopters, main battle tanks, air-to-air missiles, and anti-ship cruise missiles. In June 2014, Pakistan started co-producing the first two of 50 Block 2 JF-17s, which is an upgraded version of the Block I JF-17, the report adds.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1258570/china-may-seek-base-in-pakistan-other-countries-says-pentagon

 

[Arsalan]

Todays Dawn story:


The report pointed out that Pakistan remains China’s “primary customer” for conventional weapons and China engages in both arms sales and defence industrial cooperation with Pakistan.

This includes joint production of LY-80 surface-to-air missile systems, F-22P frigates with helicopters, main battle tanks, air-to-air missiles, and anti-ship cruise missiles. In June 2014, Pakistan started co-producing the first two of 50 Block 2 JF-17s, which is an upgraded version of the Block I JF-17, the report adds.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1258570/china-may-seek-base-in-pakistan-other-countries-says-pentagon

That may explain the number of radars procured.

 

[volatile]

Can it intercept bm and cm???

No in my opinion this is a short and low range SAM ,But it sure detect incoming targets at a height of 400 meters .Our low /low ,Medium to Medium /Low tier are pretty covered ,i think we still lagged in High Alt SAM .Which is going to be arriving soon .

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Design
The HQ16A (LY-80) launcher missile system is carried by an 8x8 truck that contains a command and control station behind the cab, and behind those are six firing missile containers in two rows of three. These containers are tilted back so that the missiles can be fired straight up, just as they are from VLS (Vertical launch System) cells. In firing position, the wheels are raised off the ground and the carriage is supported at four points by hydraulic jacks, two at the rear and one on each side.
Missile
The HQ16A (LY-80) missile can intercept an aerial flying target from an 15 m to 18 km of altitude, while its maximum interception range for combat aircraft is 40km, and between 3.5 km and 12 km for cruise missiles flying at an altitude of 50 meters at a speed of 300 meters/second. Single-shot kill probability is a claimed figure of 85 per cent against combat aircraft, and 60 per cent against cruise missiles. The missile guidance system is of the composite type, comprising initial independent inertial guidance and intermittent illumination and semi-active homing terminal guidance.

Control and command systems
The HQ16A (LY-80) SAM components comprise a searching radar vehicle, command vehicle, radar tracking and guidance vehicle, launcher unit vehicle, and missiles canister. Technical support equipment includes missile transportation and loading vehicle, power supply vehicle, maintenance vehicle, and missile-test equipment. A single radar guidance vehicle controls two to four launcher units with six missiles ready to launch. The command vehicle is responsible to send target information and combat orders.
The searching radar vehicle is equipped with solid-state S-band 3-D passive phased-array radar mounted on the top of a mast. When the target is detected, the searching radar vehicle performs automatic IFF (Identification Friend-or-Foe), threat judgment, flight path processing and provide target engagement information for the tracking-and-guidance radar. The S-band radar has a range of 140 km and can detect targets flying at an altitude of 20 km.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Todays Dawn story:


The report pointed out that Pakistan remains China’s “primary customer” for conventional weapons and China engages in both arms sales and defence industrial cooperation with Pakistan.

This includes joint production of LY-80 surface-to-air missile systems, F-22P frigates with helicopters, main battle tanks, air-to-air missiles, and anti-ship cruise missiles. In June 2014, Pakistan started co-producing the first two of 50 Block 2 JF-17s, which is an upgraded version of the Block I JF-17, the report adds.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1258570/china-may-seek-base-in-pakistan-other-countries-says-pentagon

Joint Production of LY-80

 

[aliaselin]

They must be just rumors sir. Going for KS-1 wont make much sense considering the alternate option Pakistan may get from China. Also with HQ16 inducted, the next step will be to get a longer range higher altitude system.

FK-3 is not KS-1 obviously as you can see it does not have lead wing

 

[Super Falcon]

First of all guys we need to know what our weaknesses are which Indian can gain upper hand on it is our air and sea we need good system to fix these holes

We need Airdefence system which can detect IAF jets inside india as they get off and near to our border we should first as they get inside our border they get destroyed

One more thing FM 90 Is useless haseena already sent them for IAF to see what are the things IAF jet can manage to bully FM 90 System as Bangladesh already have them too

And get that system which China won't sell to Bangladesh other wise they are useless

We need S 400 type of system and patsir S 2 will be great addition to destroy Indian Apache hel8copters

 

[Zarvan]

First of all guys we need to know what our weaknesses are which Indian can gain upper hand on it is our air and sea we need good system to fix these holes

We need Airdefence system which can detect IAF jets inside india as they get off and near to our border we should first as they get inside our border they get destroyed

One more thing FM 90 Is useless haseena already sent them for IAF to see what are the things IAF jet can manage to bully FM 90 System as Bangladesh already have them too

And get that system which China won't sell to Bangladesh other wise they are useless

We need S 400 type of system and patsir S 2 will be great addition to destroy Indian Apache hel8copters

Air Defence system don't become useless like that. Secondly LY-80 is great platform and producing it in Pakistan will give us experience and technology of Air Defence systems.

 

[leftfordead]

in Pakistan's most military procurements the best you can do is " Assume " until they reveal the real deal ..

 

[Arsalan]

FK-3 is not KS-1 obviously as you can see it does not have lead wingView attachment 305473
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FK-3 is reported to be an improved variant of KS-1 with extended range, improved command and control guidance systems and a new launch platform carrying more missiles. YES, essentially a much improved variant it will be, almost a new missile. Still i personally think that the best way will be to complete a mid level 2nd tire cover with HQ16 and a few other missiles like SPADA etc to mix things up. Then go for the high level cover with HQ9 and adding variety in shape of FD2000 and maybe even HQ-19. At the end of the day, it is all about the resources and the needs!

 

[aliaselin]

FK-3 is reported to be an improved variant of KS-1 with extended range, improved command and control guidance systems and a new launch platform carrying more missiles. YES, essentially a much improved variant it will be, almost a new missile. Still i personally think that the best way will be to complete a mid level 2nd tire cover with HQ16 and a few other missiles like SPADA etc to mix things up. Then go for the high level cover with HQ9 and adding variety in shape of FD2000 and maybe even HQ-19. At the end of the day, it is all about the resources and the needs!

What I mean is: from the missile we can simply argue that FK-3 is not KS-1 because the aerodynamic feature is different.
These two having some similarity is because both of them are developed by the 10th Institute of CASIC

 

[princefaisal]

For 200 km range, HQ-9 missiles (Army-For strategic assets)
For 100 km range, Aster-30 missiles.(PAF)
For 40-70 km range, HQ-16 (Army & Navy), Marlin & Umkhonto-ER-IR (PAF)
For 20-30 km range, Umkhonto-IR (PAF & Navy), Spada 2000 (PAF)
Under 20 km range: Pantsys S2 (Army), Hisar A (Army & PAF)
Under 10 km range: FM-90, RBS-70 (Army)

 

[Akasa]

No in my opinion this is a short and low range SAM ,But it sure detect incoming targets at a height of 400 meters .Our low /low ,Medium to Medium /Low tier are pretty covered ,i think we still lagged in High Alt SAM .Which is going to be arriving soon .

Description
Technical Data
Specifications
Details view
Pictures - Video
a

Description Back to top
Design
The HQ16A (LY-80) launcher missile system is carried by an 8x8 truck that contains a command and control station behind the cab, and behind those are six firing missile containers in two rows of three. These containers are tilted back so that the missiles can be fired straight up, just as they are from VLS (Vertical launch System) cells. In firing position, the wheels are raised off the ground and the carriage is supported at four points by hydraulic jacks, two at the rear and one on each side.
Missile
The HQ16A (LY-80) missile can intercept an aerial flying target from an 15 m to 18 km of altitude, while its maximum interception range for combat aircraft is 40km, and between 3.5 km and 12 km for cruise missiles flying at an altitude of 50 meters at a speed of 300 meters/second. Single-shot kill probability is a claimed figure of 85 per cent against combat aircraft, and 60 per cent against cruise missiles. The missile guidance system is of the composite type, comprising initial independent inertial guidance and intermittent illumination and semi-active homing terminal guidance.

Control and command systems
The HQ16A (LY-80) SAM components comprise a searching radar vehicle, command vehicle, radar tracking and guidance vehicle, launcher unit vehicle, and missiles canister. Technical support equipment includes missile transportation and loading vehicle, power supply vehicle, maintenance vehicle, and missile-test equipment. A single radar guidance vehicle controls two to four launcher units with six missiles ready to launch. The command vehicle is responsible to send target information and combat orders.
The searching radar vehicle is equipped with solid-state S-band 3-D passive phased-array radar mounted on the top of a mast. When the target is detected, the searching radar vehicle performs automatic IFF (Identification Friend-or-Foe), threat judgment, flight path processing and provide target engagement information for the tracking-and-guidance radar. The S-band radar has a range of 140 km and can detect targets flying at an altitude of 20 km.

HQ-16s can intercept cruise missiles; in fact, this was one of the factors that led to its procurement by the PLAN. The range of the HQ-16 ranges from 40-70 km (depending on variant), so it's not exactly a short-range SAM.

FK-3 is reported to be an improved variant of KS-1 with extended range, improved command and control guidance systems and a new launch platform carrying more missiles. YES, essentially a much improved variant it will be, almost a new missile. Still i personally think that the best way will be to complete a mid level 2nd tire cover with HQ16 and a few other missiles like SPADA etc to mix things up. Then go for the high level cover with HQ9 and adding variety in shape of FD2000 and maybe even HQ-19. At the end of the day, it is all about the resources and the needs!

"Reportedly" is the keyword. There is no conclusive evidence linking the FK-3 to the KS-1 in any way; Wikipedia is not a reliable source when it comes to such things.

 

[Zarvan]

For 200 km range, HQ-9 missiles (Army-For strategic assets)
For 100 km range, Aster-30 missiles.(PAF)
For 40-70 km range, HQ-16 (Army & Navy), Marlin & Umkhonto-ER-IR (PAF)
For 20-30 km range, Umkhonto-IR (PAF & Navy), Spada 2000 (PAF)
Under 20 km range: Pantsys S2 (Army), Hisar A (Army & PAF)
Under 10 km range: FM-90, RBS-70 (Army)

This is good combination and definitely needed