Pakistan negotiating F-16 deal with

[Bull]

Originally posted by master_fx@Mar 22 2006, 07:30 AM
no.... j-10 is not specifically made for ground attack is for multi-role....... and its main goal is to counter taiwan's f-16s.......

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so then what are the Su 27 for?

 

[RAPTOR]

anyone know how many more F-16 A/B are in the pipeline for Pakistan under the Excess Defense Articles program?

 

[Neo]

Originally posted by SATAN@Mar 27 2006, 04:19 PM
anyone know how many more F-16 A/B are in the pipeline for Pakistan under the Excess Defense Articles program?

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I believe that only two F-16 are supplied under EDA programme, 20 will be secondhand Falcons probably from Belgian Airforce and another 50 to be delivered straight from Lockheed Martin.

Two F-16 Falcons complete with latest upgrades delivered to Pakistan - gratis



Pakistani Air Commodore Syed Hassan Raza, Director of F-16 Weapons System Management for F-16 Project Falcon, inspects one of the transfer aircraft at Hill AFB, Utah. (US Air Force photo by Dane Anderson)

NEW JERSEY, DEC 15: The United States government has delivered two F-16s to Pakistan - gratis; two complete fighters with the latest avionics and mechanical upgrades authorized for the country, reports Blackanthem Military News online.

Each of these F-16s cost around $40 million.

Pakistan's Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, while confirming that two F-16s did arrive in Pakistan, concurred these fighter jets were given by United States as a "Good Will Gesture."

The two aircrafts reportedly departed Hill Air Force Base in Utah at 1 a.m on December 8 en route to Pakistan with two American pilots on board.

In the early 1980s, the Pakistan air force received its first delivery of thirty F-16 aircrafts from the United States - the maintenance support for which has been as unpredictable as world politics ever since.

It wasn't until late 2003 - post 9/1, that the U.S. agreed to provide an assessment of Pakistan's existing F-16 fleet and suggest upgrades, including spares and other support requirements.

Today, both countries have an important relationship given the global war on terror and Pakistan's crucial role geographically, if not militarily, in support of U.S. national security interests, comments Mr Volb of Ogden Air Logistics Center Public Affairs in his article in the online military news magazine.

According to Mr. Carlos Romero, F-16 logistics management specialist at Hill Air Force Base, Utah, the relationship has grown to the point where Congress approved the delivery of two more F-16s to Pakistan - gratis; two complete fighters with the latest avionics and mechanical upgrades authorized for the country.

"Essentially, we reconfigured the aircraft to meet the current baseline for Pakistan," said Mr. Thomas Hutchinson, F-16 maintenance planner for the 309th Aircraft Maintenance Group located at Hill AFB, "which is well above that of the early 90s aircraft currently sitting on their ramps."

Mr. Hutchinson said the configuration included an anti-skid system, new HAV-quick radio upgrade and several days of repainting - Pakistani national colors and emblems - on the aircraft.


Lt. Col. Mujahid Khan, Pakistani F-16 support program liaison at Hill, inspects the landing gear wheel well of one of the two F-16s being transferred to his nation. (US Air Force photo by G. A. Volb)

"If I had to compare them to their current fleet, I'd have to say they're going to be extremely happy to have these two jets," said Mr. Hutchinson. Both aircraft are the product of a defense program known as EDA or Excess Defense Articles.

"The aircraft were deemed as excess defense articles and removed from two separate units in Florida and California," said Mr. Romero. "However, they were still flown by United States Air Force pilots through a controlled route until they reached Pakistan."

Excess Defense Articles are those the Department of Defense determines are no longer needed by the U.S. Armed Forces. Such defense articles, according to Mr. Romero, may be made available for sale under the Foreign Military Sales Program or as a grant to eligible foreign countries under the provisions of the Foreign Assistance Act. In this particular case, the aircraft were a grant to Pakistan for supporting U.S. efforts in the war on terrorism.

Mr. Romero said the trip took four days, the planes not officially turned over until signed for and the national colors unveiled on Pakistani soil.

It's then that the two modified F-16s became Pakistani resources. It's something the Pakistani Foreign Liaison Officer for sustainment of their F-16 fleet here says thinks they'll be well received.

"I wouldn't want to say how many we have in our current inventory," said Pakistani Air Force Lt. Col. Mujahid Khan, "but we looked forward to the arrival of these two aircraft."

Talking to BBC, Pakistan's Information Minister Shaikh Rashid said "We waited for almost fifteen years to get these fighter jets, so far we have not signed the agreement for purchase of 70 F-16s and as soon as the agreement is materialized, it will take five to six years when we will get all the F-16s."
Under the deal which has been postponed due to Oct 8 quake, Pakistan will get 20 old version models of F-16 while 50 remaining planes will be of latest version.

http://www.despardes.com/pakistan/newsbrie...ief.html#gratis

 

[Bull]

Originally posted by SATAN@Mar 27 2006, 07:19 PM
anyone know how many more F-16 A/B are in the pipeline for Pakistan under the Excess Defense Articles program?

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i think they are not A/B but of a more recent block.

 

[Sid]

Yes they are not the F-16s PAF already operates (Block 10/15) but are much better ones; Block 50 which the USAF currently operates. The 20 'old' ones that the article talks about would be MLU-ed ones (similar to Block 50) while the 50 'newer' ones would be Block 52 C/D F-16s to be acquired by PAF because Block 52 is the 'universal' latest version of the F-16s (Block 60 aside, because that is more of a customized version of F-16s).

 

[MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n]

'Pakistan negotiating F-16 deal with Belgium, Netherlands'
'Pakistan Times' Federal Bureau

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan is currently negotiating with Belgium and Netherlands for purchase of used F-16 aircraft, 'The Nation' reported on Sunday .
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The decision to approach the two European nations was taken after Pakistan put on hold the purchase deal with the United States in the aftermath of the October-8 devastating earthquake because of its enormous cost.

As an alternative it was felt that the purchase of used sophisticated aircraft with the option to upgrade it would drastically cut costs while retaining much of its capabilities.

The latest India-US civil nuclear technology accord and renewal offer of sale of F-16 and F-18 to India has given a new context to Pakistan’s quest for the sophisticated conventional weapons capability. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice Friday ruled out a similar nuclear technology deal with Pakistan, ostensibly because of non-proliferation concerns.

Pakistan has argued that already a huge imbalance exists in conventional capabilities of the two countries and the nuclear deal would compel it to lean more heavily on strengthening nuclear deterrence as an equalizer.

Negotiations

Reliable sources said the negotiations with Belgium and Netherlands had reached a fairly advanced stage but recently ran into some snags. Both the countries showed signs of slowing down the progress for mysterious reasons.

Pakistani officials discounted speculations that the damper originated from the United States, possibly from the manufacturers, Lockheed-Martin, who had contracted the sale of their end-of-the-line aircraft to Pakistan. India had objected to the sale offered in Larch last year but kept the opposition at
low level.

The issue was raised by Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz at Pentagon meeting with US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld during his recent trip to the United States. Aziz sought American facilitation in clinching the deal with its NATO allies. President Musharraf is likely to ask the American President to expedite the matter.

Informed sources say the latest thinking in Pakistani defence establishment favours acquisition of a mix of new and used but upgraded F-16 aircraft. Pakistan’s performance in tackling infiltration of resurgent Taliban and remnants of Al-Qaeda along its border with Afghanistan and the apparent US reluctance to provide more sophisticated weapons to Pakistani forces operating in the area, has also been a major source of argument and friction, says the English daily of Pakistan.

Perspective

The matter reportedly came for discussion during Mr. Aziz’s US visit and has been given new twist by President Bush’s pronouncements while embarking on his current South Asia trip and at his news conference in Kabul on March 1. He seemed concurring with the Afghan government’s persistent accusations
that 'Pakistan has to do more to block infiltration into Afghanistan'.

Pakistani officials have been complaining that the US has not done much to provide enough of night-vision devices, advanced Cobra gunship and precision weapons to enhance the strike power of nearly 80,000 troops deployed to combat incursions.

US diplomats claim that Pakistan is receiving a hefty amount every month (one of them put it at $86 million in a private interaction some time back), for the military operation in North and South Waziristan.

These payments are not reflected in budgetary allocations, though the Pakistani officials confirmed them with slight disagreement over figures.

This state of affairs, say informed sources, is one restraining factor in level of operations conducted by Pakistani troops which have suffered unprecedented casualties ever since the operation was launched more than a couple of years ago.

As such, on occasions, the Pakistani authorities pass on the intelligence to US counterparts across the border about presence of suspect infiltrators but are reluctant to undertake the operations themselves.•

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are the f16s from these 2 countries still available for P.a.f. ?

 

[Skywalker]

are the f16s from these 2 countries still available for P.a.f. ?

arey Bhai aath saal pooraanie thread re-open kernay ki keya zaroorath thee.

 

[nomi007]

8 years old thread

 

[MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n]

arey Bhai aath saal pooraanie thread re-open kernay ki keya zaroorath thee.

aray yeh sub baten tou chalti rahengi , bhy tum sawal ka jawab batao bus

 

[Sugarcane]

aray yeh sub baten tou chalti rahengi , bhy tum sawal ka jawab batao bus

Kabadiay ne ziada boolii lagai thi, unhoon ne osay sale kar diay.

 

[Imran Khan]

aray yeh sub baten tou chalti rahengi , bhy tum sawal ka jawab batao bus

some were sold to jordan adn MLUed others active in service

7SQNs of belgians and 5sqns of norway are still active .

 

[fatman17]

so we r discussing 'dead' issues.....

 

[Imran Khan]

so we r discussing 'dead' issues.....

janab dead hi sahi but we have one lesson

we lost these F-16s jordan buy them
and we buy from jordan more and older f-16
so we are on third place now by this

 

[fatman17]

janab dead hi sahi but we have one lesson

we lost these F-16s jordan buy them
and we buy from jordan more and older f-16
so we are on third place now by this

i didnt know it was 'maqabla' - chalo bronze medal mil giya.

 

[Imran Khan]

i didnt know it was 'maqabla' - chalo bronze medal mil giya.

janab it was abut to get new and better jets . we got early 80s bird from jordan after jordan got early 90s made birds from them . what if we got from them new birds ?