Pakistan Needs J-20 If It Wants To Stand A Chance

[T-Rex]

As JF-17 sales starts and CPEC projects pay off Pakistan would certainly be more comfort to get what they want from China or other countries. Indians can only watch and be jealous，as Russian or European stuff are so expensive while not necessarily better！

It will take time but we're getting very strong indications that Pakistan won't be allowed the time to grow stronger economically. Here's what's being cooked in Washington and Delhi:

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/16...uld-lead-to-violent-reaction-against-Pakistan

 

[khanasifm]

Analysis: Expectations for deployment of fifth-generation fighters

http://www.janes.com/article/43616/analysis-expectations-for-deployment-of-fifth-generation-fighters

long-term upgrade and production of F-22s (all now delivered) and F-35s with a steady procurement of the latter over the next decade and beyond, ultimately totaling more than 2,500 orders of both aircraft.

Other, smaller states face a different proposition. Excess capabilities relative to their likely requirements in future conflicts will not be viewed as a necessary hedge, but instead as an unwarranted luxury when equally viable but lower-cost replacements are available elsewhere.

In particular, fourth-generation aircraft, including F-16s and Typhoons, can serve as equally reliable stand-ins, especially when they can be purchased at significantly lower prices.


Meanwhile, the Chinese J-20 (which appears to incorporate some illicit elements from Lockheed Martin’s development work), may be purchased in a strength of several hundred alongside the newer J-31 aircraft that has been revealed recently.

 

[Centurion2016]

Pakistan is falling further and further behind against India for Air Superiority let alone Air Parity. It's only chance is to buy at least 36 J-20.

each J-20 will command & control 4 to 6 JF-17 blk 3, the J-20 will fly ahead and use it's stealth/sensors to find targets and relay this information to the JF-17, the JF-17 will launch their SD-10 and the J-20 will take control of these missiles via a two way data link.

36 J20 144/216 JF block 3

this would level the playing field.

Paf by 2024

36, x J20 and 80 F16/52/mlu and 150 thunder

Versis

IAF likely air power by 2024,

36 x Rafale F3
50 x Mirage2000/5,

272;SU30mki
60.mig29smt

100 Tejas Mark1/1A

Navy battle groups
viktamditya MIG29k x 40 planes

Vikrant MIG 29K x 40 planes

You guys,are correct by 2024,Pakistan will ha e the best fighter in our region in J20

 

[Tank131]

They may possess the best fighter, but the numbers still arent on the side of the PAF. The numbers of thunder will need to be increased as will its capabilities (especially range and payload, in addition to electronics which are slotted for upgrade with block 3). PAF needs a minimum of 200-250 JF-17, all of which (at least electronically) need to be block 3 standard (minimum). That will give PAF ~366 frontline fighters, which still may not be sufficient to hold the line against IAFs nearly 520 fighters (and you are leaving out the numerous Jaguar and Mig-27 strike fighters IAF may still field.

PAF will need to start thinking out of the box and will need to (with the assistance of allies) develop a much more robust air defense network that includes numerous layered SAM of long/medium/ and point defense ranges. Additionally, It may look at strategic bombers from China (H-6K) which would enable PAF to make deep saturation strikes with air launched cruise missiles in support of J-20/J-31 while being safely outside the range of S400. An air-launched Babur could have a range in excess of 1000km and a single H-6K could carry 6-7 LACM (even in naval strike it can carry 12 antiship missiles). 6-8 H-6K would be a game changer for PAF. 2 H-6K could overwhelm an IAF forward operating base, significantly reducing IAF's ability to conduct strikes against Pakistan in rapid succession, allowing the full force of PAF to concentrate on defending the air. Additionally these could push S400 regiments back away from the border, preventing them from firing on PAF aircraft in Pakistan's own airspace as 8 H-6K would overwhelm S400 batteries with saturation attacks using LACM.

 

[Centurion2016]

Your talking serious investment here

36 j20

At least 4 billion possibly 5 billion dollars

Multi layers Sam's another two billion dollar

Upgrading thundrs and doubling fleet size again two billion dollars and then adding long range strike aircraft

10 possibly 12, billion dollars if it's based on cbinease systems and add a further five billion if the upgrades are French or western based.

 

[Dr Shaheryar]

Paf by 2024

36, x J20 and 80 F16/52/mlu and 150 thunder

Versis

IAF likely air power by 2024,

36 x Rafale F3
50 x Mirage2000/5,

272;SU30mki
60.mig29smt

100 Tejas Mark1/1A

Navy battle groups
viktamditya MIG29k x 40 planes

Vikrant MIG 29K x 40 planes

You guys,are correct by 2024,Pakistan will ha e the best fighter in our region in J20

Sorry but the current inventory shows

Thunder to be at 90 and its 2016.

I guess u can figure out the number of Thunders we will have by 2024

and for Tejas. 100? It has not yet started production of actual serviceable Fighter jet. LOL and you are taking the toll to 100 please. We are not bragging but please be realistic for Indian Airforce as well.

 

[Star Expedition]

There are so many easy ways.
Pak just need to produce 200 land to air missiles.

Money should be used on education and economics.

 

[Tank131]

Your talking serious investment here

36 j20

At least 4 billion possibly 5 billion dollars

Multi layers Sam's another two billion dollar

Upgrading thundrs and doubling fleet size again two billion dollars and then adding long range strike aircraft

10 possibly 12, billion dollars if it's based on cbinease systems and add a further five billion if the upgrades are French or western based.

Thats my point. The numbers quoted arent enough for PAF, and the alternatives are expensive, hence the need to think outside the box.

 

[ravi gupta]

Paf by 2024

36, x J20 and 80 F16/52/mlu and 150 thunder

Versis

IAF likely air power by 2024,

36 x Rafale F3
50 x Mirage2000/5,

272;SU30mki
60.mig29smt

100 Tejas Mark1/1A

Navy battle groups
viktamditya MIG29k x 40 planes

Vikrant MIG 29K x 40 planes

You guys,are correct by 2024,Pakistan will ha e the best fighter in our region in J20

We will be very close to FGFA on that time if not inducted.

Also to add more 200 single engine F16 or Grippen.

 

[The SC]

100 J-31v2 plus 12 J-20s will cost around 5 billion$, within the same financial conditions as the 8 Submarines with the same level of strategic need.. it is a highly probable possibility..

 

[Centurion2016]

No offence but Pakistan failed to complete the purchase of much needed 8 F16/52.for a mere 700million dollars. This was only six months ago which has caused a major row between pak and USA.

Those planes are on the table infact USA has 18 block 52;ready to deliver to paf.

Yet this has not materIised.

So talk five billion dollars seems bridge to far.

By the way China is advertising the j10b at 50 million each

Ten years time the j31.if it is a decent warplane will more then 100 million per plane
Cost has been a hinderance for you people for as long as I can remember

100 J-31v2 plus 12 J-20s will cost around 5 billion$, within the same financial conditions as the 8 Submarines with the same level of strategic need.. it is a highly probable possibility..

Stop making things up

100 j31/2,does not exist intact it yet to be born and you know the cost .

Your dreaming my friend or it must 'be a very cheap budget token gesture

 

[The SC]

No offence but Pakistan failed to complete the purchase of much needed 8 F16/52.for a mere 700million dollars. This was only six months ago which has caused a major row between pak and USA.

Those planes are on the table infact USA has 18 block 52;ready to deliver to paf.

Yet this has not materIised.

So talk five billion dollars seems bridge to far.

By the way China is advertising the j10b at 50 million each

Ten years time the j31.if it is a decent warplane will more then 100 million per plane
Cost has been a hinderance for you people for as long as I can remember




Stop making things up

100 j31/2,does not exist intact it yet to be born and you know the cost .

Your dreaming my friend or it must 'be a very cheap budget token gesture

And what is hurting you? this is more realistic than anything you can dream or come up with..
your post does not come with any substance to it, try to avoid personalizing things or you get insults, buy the way Pakistan's military budget is none of your business, either come up with good technical arguments or refrain from posting empty value posts..

 

[Centurion2016]

And what is hurting you? this is more realistic than anything you can dream or come up with..
your post does not come with any substance to it, try to avoid personalizing things or you get insults, buy the way Pakistan's military budget is none of your business, either come up with good technical arguments or refrain from posting empty value posts..

Your getting very agitated you want credibility then stop living in fantasy. Land

What sort of comment is mind your own business

I challenged to but some substance behind your wish list of 100 j31 .

Do you have any real knowledge of the Pakistan limitations or the extent of work China must do to make j31 a reality.

You have no idea of timescales or cost or even the role of the j31.

Stop getting defensive think before you post otherwise the thread will decend into lala land

Be realistic

What can Pakistan realistic do in what time frame

 

[Hassan Guy]

Dude's we need F-35's, those are the best.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Dude's we need F-35's, those are the best.

Than tell us how do we get it?