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Pakistan Navy's Submarine Plans: S-20 vs Type 214

214 Type 1200
On 2nd July 2009, a contract was signed by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH (HDW), Kiel, a company of ThyssenKrupp Technologies, and MarineForce International LLP (MFI), London, for the delivery of six material packages for the construction of Class 214 submarines to Turkey.


The value of the contract is estimated as 2,5 billion €. There is %80 offset agreement. The submarines will be built in Gölcük Naval Shipyard where 11 submarines of Type 209, were previously built.

https://turkishnavy.net/submarines/cerbe-class-214-type-1200/
 
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214 Type 1200
On 2nd July 2009, a contract was signed by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH (HDW), Kiel, a company of ThyssenKrupp Technologies, and MarineForce International LLP (MFI), London, for the delivery of six material packages for the construction of Class 214 submarines to Turkey.



The value of the contract is estimated as 2,5 billion €. There is %80 offset agreement. The submarines will be built in Gölcük Naval Shipyard where 11 submarines of Type 209, were previously built.
https://turkishnavy.net/submarines/cerbe-class-214-type-1200/


TURKISH REIS Class !


The biggest challenge for the Gölcük Naval Shipyard and HDW will be the integration of the Turkish subsystems that the Turkish Navy has decided to install in the TCG Piri Reis.

According to the local media, the Turkish company, Aselsan, will build and integrate into the TCG Piri Reis, the ESM system ARES-2N, the LPI radar Alper, an integrated telecommunication system, a satellite (X-band) communication system and a thermal imaging camera for the submarine’s periscope.
Furthermore Aselsan has already signed a 95.5 million Euro contract with HDW, for the construction of the electronic subsystems of the six submarines.

Another Turkish company, Milsoft, will develop the Link-11/22 data transfer software for the six submarines at a cost of 17 million Euros, while the British company Ultra Electronics signed a 12.1 million Euro contract with the Turkish company Koç Savuma Sistemleri for the supply of the torpedo countermeasures Sea Crypsis system.

The Sea Crypsis system incorporates Ultra’s proven torpedo detection, classification and localization system, which is an augmented version of the Sea Sentor.

The most difficult part of the construction of the TCG Piri Reis will be the integration of Atlas Elektronik’s ISUS-90/72 Combat Management System with Havelsan’s SEDA system (Sonar integration and Control system) and TorAKS (Torpedo fire control system, which is part of the SEDA system).

The SEDA system offers three subsystems, providing the following features:

1. A Real-time Acoustic Processor Suite, with:
• Pre-filtering,
• Beam forming,
• Detection,
• Sonar track management,
• Target classification,
• Pulse processing & integrating,
• Range & doppler speed estimation.

2. A Command and Control Subsystem with:
• Tactical picture compilation & display,
• Target & own track history,
• Radar & sonar overlay on tactical picture,
• Threat & compatibility analysis,
• Navigation & tactical navigation,
• Track management,
• Target Motion Analysis (TMA),
• Course recommendation based on TMA,
• Non-acoustic sensor integration.

3. A Torpedo Fire Control (TORAKS) Subsystem with:
• Target assignment,
• Attack and engagement planning,
• Preset loading and prelaunch checking,
• Firing sequence execution,
• Torpedo guidance and data processing,
• Safety zone calculations.

The consoles of the Combat Management System will be built by the Turkish company, Ayesas, while the state research institute, TUBITAK-MAM, will develop the hydrophones, the vessel’s battery control system and the life support system of the submarines.

Another Turkish company, ROKETSAN, in co-operation with ARMERKOM, the research center of the Turkish Navy and TUBITAK-MAM, is developing a new 533mm torpedo called AKYA for the new submarines.

Finally, the state controlled engineering and technical consultant company, STM, will be responsible for the integration of 18,000 subsystems, the design of the batteries of the submarine and the establishment of the logistic support chain for the construction of the six submarines.

The length of the hull of the Type-214TN Reis-class submarine is 66.3 meters, the beam is 6.8 meters and its displacement is 1.845 tons surfaced and 2.023 tons submerged.

The Reis-class submarine will be able to reach 20kt speed submerged, 10kt surfaced, 12kt with the use of the snorkel and 6kt when using the fuel cell AIP system.

The vessel can travel for 12,000 nmi while it is surfaced, 420nmi with 8kt speed when submerged and 1,248nmi with 4kt speed when she is using the AIP system. The operating depth of the Reis-class submarine is estimated to be 400 meters and the endurance of a mission can be up to 12 weeks. The submarine will also have 8 x 533mm torpedo tubes and carry up to 4 UGM-84A harpoon missiles. Its complement will be 5 officers and 22 crew.



http://blogs.plymouth.ac.uk/dcss/2015/10/12/440/
 
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FYI folks I wasn't referring to the Reiss-class but the other program, which will involve Turkey designing its own submarine:

The Type 214 construction project is the last project where Turkish Navy will construct a submarine to a foreign design and subsystems. It is not a secret that the next submarines constructed by Turkish Navy will be local design with most of the critical components ans sub systems produced with local input. It is not surprising to see the large Turkish industrial participation in the Type 214 project as this project is regarded as preparation phase for the Milli Denizaltı (Milden). Milli Denizaltı means National Submarine in Turkish. So it is understandable for the Germans to drag their feet in the Type 214 project especially when they know that this is the last of its kind.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/turkish...elays-in-reis-class-construction-project/amp/
 
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FYI folks I wasn't referring to the Reiss-class but the other program, which will involve Turkey designing its own submarine:


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/turkish...elays-in-reis-class-construction-project/amp/

Bro. It is only Reis class afaik. It is MILDEN , REIS class or sometimes called

New Type Submarine Project (NTSP)

https://www.dzkk.tsk.tr/icerik.php?dil=0&icerik_id=75


Thanks to bro. Cinar Cakmak

denizalti_1-001.jpg


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Yes they will pay penalty,

German HDW delivered " False;non contracted construction equipment to Turkish Navy Yard")

Maybe as political hostile action !

http://www.handelsblatt.com/unterne...wegen-lieferverzug-bei-u-booten/11268708.html
 
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I've repeatedly indicate my expectation that PN will have submarines with tubelaunched land attack cruise missiles. As for vertical launch, I've discussed what I see in the market. As for SLBM launchers, that requires a submarine alltogether different from S-20/S-26. A 2-tube boat like Type 032 doesn't IMHO make for a good component of a nuclear triad, seeing as it could carry just 2 SLBMs, which is limited firepower, unless each missile has e.g. three or four warheads like JL-2 (but even then, it is capable of hitting at most 6-8 targets). Which ballistic missile would Pakistan put on board a Type 032? That boat with 2x6 or 2x7 VL cruise missiles could also have interesting firepower (12-14 targets). But as I showed, I have good reason to doubt the image posted. As for 4 hull mounted VL tubes in Type 032, I can't really see them on the available images, can you? So, I can't really be sure they are actually there. There's a model that suggests they are, but that is about as far as pictoral evidence goes at this point.

I will not go into details. But keep in mind, Pakistan's Shaheen & Ghauri missiles were tested in the Middle East, so don't underestimate Pakistan's MIRV or SLBM capability.

I hope you can read between the lines.
 
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I will not go into details. But keep in mind, Pakistan's Shaheen & Ghauri missiles were tested in the Middle East, so don't underestimate Pakistan's MIRV or SLBM capability.

I hope you can read between the lines.
And Pakistan's nukes and thermo-nukes were tested in China
 
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I will not go into details. But keep in mind, Pakistan's Shaheen & Ghauri missiles were tested in the Middle East, so don't underestimate Pakistan's MIRV or SLBM capability.

I hope you can read between the lines.
Huh what? When did that happen??? But then again, I've heard rumors that the h bomb and sub launched ballistic missile tests in n korea were actually Pakistani tests. But who knows...
 
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Bro. It is only Reis class afaik. It is MILDEN , REIS class or sometimes called

New Type Submarine Project (NTSP)




Thanks to bro. Cinar Cakmak

denizalti_1-001.jpg


90867.jpg




Yes they will pay penalty,

German HDW delivered " False;non contracted construction equipment to Turkish Navy Yard")

Maybe as political hostile action !

You're wrong Hurşid.
New Type Submarine Project and MILDEN are two seperate projects.
The former is a material package program from HDW (6 Type 214 "Reis" class submarine) with a highly local contribution and latter is supposed to be an indigenous submarine Project and will be commenced after finishing the NTSP (at least this is the intension).
May be, before writing something down to the forum, it'd be better to make your homework or ask someone who knows the stuff, to not to mislead the people.
 
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