Pakistan navy post 2020 - Future Plans

[Ahmet Pasha]

Will PN keep Marines postured only for creek or make it into a real expeditionary force like their namesake USMC??

PN is working according to a development plan, after the current programmes are well advanced. The follow up will include (if finances and economy are sufficiently strong to allow).

1. 6-8 new frigates (either newer type 054 or next gen PLAN).

2. Jet powered LRMPA to gradually replace P3.

3. Drone aircraft that can perform MP and ASW.

4. A type 071 or similar vessel 1 or 2.

5. A further 4 or 6 Jinnah Corvette/light frigate.

6. A further order of submarines after Hangor program is completed.

7. Coastal sub/special forces program.

8. Further expansion of Pak Marines.

9. Dedicated small number of fighter aircraft.

10. 4 - 6 destroyer vessels with 052 DDG most likely purchased. With talks between Chinese and Pakistani officials already taken place.

11. Development of SSBN and SSN and have a true 2nd and 3rd strike capability.

12. Long Range SLBM and SLCM.

This is very ambitious and any number of things could halt or stop these programs (finances being the most likely). But all the services and especially the Navy are thinking forward.

 

[khanasifm]

PN is working according to a development plan, after the current programmes are well advanced. The follow up will include (if finances and economy are sufficiently strong to allow).

1. 6-8 new frigates (either newer type 054 or next gen PLAN).

2. Jet powered LRMPA to gradually replace P3.

3. Drone aircraft that can perform MP and ASW.

4. A type 071 or similar vessel 1 or 2.

5. A further 4 or 6 Jinnah Corvette/light frigate.

6. A further order of submarines after Hangor program is completed.

7. Coastal sub/special forces program.

8. Further expansion of Pak Marines.

9. Dedicated small number of fighter aircraft.

10. 4 - 6 destroyer vessels with 052 DDG most likely purchased. With talks between Chinese and Pakistani officials already taken place.

11. Development of SSBN and SSN and have a true 2nd and 3rd strike capability.

12. Long Range SLBM and SLCM.

This is very ambitious and any number of things could halt or stop these programs (finances being the most likely). But all the services and especially the Navy are thinking forward.

What is the basis of this claim
And thread ?

 

[Aamir Hussain]

IMO...due to the nature of Pak funding, expect the outcomes to be way more modest...

The publicly known roadmap by 2030 is:

4 054A/P
4 MILGEM
4 F-22P
2 + 2 Corvettes

Let's say the corvettes are littoral seas only, if you look at the 12 frigates, you'll see that you can have 1 054A/P with 2 F-22P or 2 MILGEM in each flotilla.

If you split them into two squadrons, it'd be 2 054 A/P each. It almost seems as though you can add 2 larger frigates or destroyers, one for each squadron, so it'd be 1 DDG, 2 054A/P, and 4 F-22P or MILGEM for each squadron.

Ideally, we need to have three surface flotillas. As I have mentioned in one of my other posts, One flotilla, will be required to patrol the approaches to KHI (the most equipped) , the other Gawadar and straits of Hormuz, and the third one to interdict enemy cargo traffic coming up from Gulf of Aden or keeping an eye on the Omani Ports. The fourth will take over the wild card role or the fire brigade role so to speak.

That is why i feel we will have atleast one more fleet replenishment ship in the force.

 

[FuturePAF]

Which Fighters are we considering. Are the Chinese allowed to sell the J-11/J-16 Internationally, per the terms of their agreement with the Russians?

Due to the long distance over the sea and the risk of losing an aircraft if an engine flames out, should we only consider twin engine jets, or is the WS-10 engine to the level satisfactory it is being used without major incident, such as the J-10C in the PLANAF?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

IMO...due to the nature of Pak funding, expect the outcomes to be way more modest...

The publicly known roadmap by 2030 is:

4 054A/P
4 MILGEM
4 F-22P
2 + 2 Corvettes

Let's say the corvettes are littoral seas only, if you look at the 12 frigates, you'll see that you can have 1 054A/P with 2 F-22P or 2 MILGEM in each flotilla.

If you split them into two squadrons, it'd be 2 054 A/P each. It almost seems as though you can add 2 larger frigates or destroyers, one for each squadron, so it'd be 1 DDG, 2 054A/P, and 4 F-22P or MILGEM for each squadron.

What about 11 subs? How will they be splitted?

 

[ARMalik]

PN really needs an upgrade to its Naval fighter jets. A dedicated arm of around 30 x J-15 supported by JF-17 and Mirages would be fantastic.

 

[FuturePAF]

PN really needs an upgrade to its Naval fighter jets. A dedicated arm of around 30 x J-15 supported by JF-17 and Mirages would be fantastic.

But can China legally export the J-15?
If the Ws-10 engine is reliable enough, would it be better to get 40-50 J-10s for the price of 30 J-15s?

 

[ARMalik]

But can China legally export the J-15?
If the Ws-10 engine is reliable enough, would it be better to get 40-50 J-10s for the price of 30 J-15s?

My opinion is that there is nothing stopping China from exporting anything to Pakistan. But Pakistan needs to really speed up its decision making mechanism.

 

[Zarvan]

PN is working according to a development plan, after the current programmes are well advanced. The follow up will include (if finances and economy are sufficiently strong to allow).

1. 6-8 new frigates (either newer type 054 or next gen PLAN).

2. Jet powered LRMPA to gradually replace P3.

3. Drone aircraft that can perform MP and ASW.

4. A type 071 or similar vessel 1 or 2.

5. A further 4 or 6 Jinnah Corvette/light frigate.

6. A further order of submarines after Hangor program is completed.

7. Coastal sub/special forces program.

8. Further expansion of Pak Marines.

9. Dedicated small number of fighter aircraft.

10. 4 - 6 destroyer vessels with 052 DDG most likely purchased. With talks between Chinese and Pakistani officials already taken place.

11. Development of SSBN and SSN and have a true 2nd and 3rd strike capability.

12. Long Range SLBM and SLCM.

This is very ambitious and any number of things could halt or stop these programs (finances being the most likely). But all the services and especially the Navy are thinking forward.

These things will take time but all points will be done. They are inevitable and hopefully economy improves at much faster rate so we can have these things as soon as possible

PN is working according to a development plan, after the current programmes are well advanced. The follow up will include (if finances and economy are sufficiently strong to allow).

1. 6-8 new frigates (either newer type 054 or next gen PLAN).

2. Jet powered LRMPA to gradually replace P3.

3. Drone aircraft that can perform MP and ASW.

4. A type 071 or similar vessel 1 or 2.

5. A further 4 or 6 Jinnah Corvette/light frigate.

6. A further order of submarines after Hangor program is completed.

7. Coastal sub/special forces program.

8. Further expansion of Pak Marines.

9. Dedicated small number of fighter aircraft.

10. 4 - 6 destroyer vessels with 052 DDG most likely purchased. With talks between Chinese and Pakistani officials already taken place.

11. Development of SSBN and SSN and have a true 2nd and 3rd strike capability.

12. Long Range SLBM and SLCM.

This is very ambitious and any number of things could halt or stop these programs (finances being the most likely). But all the services and especially the Navy are thinking forward.

For number 6 if not nuclear submarines than I hope they consider these ones from Russia

 

[LKJ86]

PN really needs an upgrade to its Naval fighter jets. A dedicated arm of around 30 x J-15 supported by JF-17 and Mirages would be fantastic.

Why J-15 if no carriers?

 

[New World]

Beta ji, where did I say to buy anything from the US???

Kakaji, you were only referring to American LHD.

Ap please apni English comprehension par tawajoh karain.

work is in progress.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistan need to get out of the dedicated navy airfore concept unless we operate a Aircraft carrier

The Navy Fleet should have enough SAM missiles to build a massive network of anti-air Umbrella , need big hitting Destroyer ships

 

[New World]

Why J-15 if no carriers?

J-15 will be our Tomcat.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

J-15 will be our Tomcat.

Why not J 16?

 

[New World]

Why not J 16?

its PAF/PN joins.