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better wait for the deal to be signed atlleast! i may be delayed further for reason of PN not satisfied with modified Chinese sub yet or for the reason of financing

on point of Greece someone mentioned, i am surprised that they have so many subs and such large air force despite being a small country and in EU
 
better wait for the deal to be signed atlleast! i may be delayed further for reason of PN not satisfied with modified Chinese sub yet or for the reason of financing

on point of Greece someone mentioned, i am surprised that they have so many subs and such large air force despite being a small country and in EU
Greece is at a strategic location hence it requires big fleet of subs. These are to stop or atleast delay the USSR / Russia to enter southern europe.

The other reason is that Greece and Turkey are also in a state of war though they are together on the issue of NATO but not in regards to their own border disputes.
 
Greece is at a strategic location hence it requires big fleet of subs. These are to stop or atleast delay the USSR / Russia to enter southern europe.

The other reason is that Greece and Turkey are also in a state of war though they are together on the issue of NATO but not in regards to their own border disputes.
i think the second point is valid, there is no longer a USSR since 1990 and they are part of European union anyway, most of subs were brought after USSR..anyway i still wonder that if they are under so much debt why did they went on spending so much
 
i think the second point is valid, there is no longer a USSR since 1990 and they are part of European union anyway, most of subs were brought after USSR..anyway i still wonder that if they are under so much debt why did they went on spending so much

Even though USSR is no more still Russia would eventually become a super power in the long run. In 1990 USSR 's legacy fighter aircraft and naval fleets were all sold on the black market. That was the a good time for many European and USA to actually get to know how advance was the USSR technology. Russia was finding that they could now sell the wast reserves oil and gas to build up their economy. Greece invested in Submarines knowing than by the time these are inducted Russia would be modernizing her military. This is true today Russia is building her navy. The Greek economy has fallen due to internal issues but this does not indicate that Greece would sell any of her assets.

If you recall there was a plan for a combined European Armed Force, Greece would have placed these in that and would have earned money from the European Union but this did not mature due to the fall of USSR.

Today the Navies of Mediterranean countries, Middle East, South Asia and South East Asia are in a process of increasing their Naval Fleets so those countries that have ordered the latest surface and underwater fleets are going to sell their old ones. Greece may be in a position to sell the old ones without the modifications because they can not afford the upgrades. Though there are some other experts who tend to say that it is easier and much more logical to sell the new ones that and maintain the old ones with upgrades.

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Greece like other Western Nation's would keep the new ones though they may be more expensive and sell the old ones so that the maintenance cost is reduced. Here the only issue that would take importance is that Cyprus is bankrupt, they do not have any military but rely on the Greeks to protect them.They might be willing to pay for the upgrades of the old fleet. Recently the out cry of illegal immigrants has also raised the attention of EU to some how tackle this growing problem. The same south European countries that are almost bankrupt (Spain, Italy, France and Greece) are on the front line. Talks regarding making of a joint military naval force are on the agenda but the problem is who are going to finance them. Till the time a possible deal is tabled and the finances allotted till that time some amounts would be pored into all those countries that for the Southern European bock.
 
Thats not true, there are already Portugal/Italy/Spain/France in the Mediterranian Sea from 2014. There is a agreement of these 4 countries in defence matters. Including naval forces. Must be the best aviable forces in the South Europe.

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Pakistan Seeks New Force for Sea Boundaries
By Usman Ansari 2:02 p.m. EDT May 15, 2015

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Pakistan Navy Ship (PNS) Shahjahan and PNS Tippi Sultan are seen with the USS Reuben James. The Pakistan Navy is looking to build a new force to protect sea boundaries.(Photo: Wikipedia)

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan is to raise a new force to help safeguard its sea boundaries, but analysts are perplexed as to how the force is to be raised even though there is a need to improve security.

The move was announced Tuesday by Pakistan's Minister for Ports and Shipping Senator Kamran Michael who said a force of 12,000 Marines was to be raised and headed by a three star general. He added the Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had sanctioned the program and the defense ministry had commenced work on establishing the force.

However, neither the defense ministry nor the Pakistan Navy would provide details of the proposed force when contacted by Defense News.

It is not understood how this Marine force will be established, whether it will be an entirely new force, drawn from other Marine units, or an expansion of existing units that will be re-tasked.

There is no time frame given for when it will become operational.

Pakistan's maritime area of interest has been very topical of late.

The move to establish the new force comes as work on the US $36 billion Sino-Pakistani economic corridor to connect Pakistan's deepwater port of Gwadar with western China gets underway, and against the backdrop of an expansion in the size of Pakistan's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).

In March the United Nations' Commission on Limits of Continental Shelf also accepted Pakistan's claim to extend its EEZ to the continental shelf limits and extended it from 200 nautical miles to 350. This amounts to an additional 50,000 square kilometers, taking the total EEZ from 240,000 square kilometers to 290,000 square kilometers.

Regarding the establishment of this new force, former Australian defense attache to Islamabad Brian Cloughley says an initiative of this size will take a monumental level of organization and training, the scale of which may not yet be apparent.

"Recruiting, alone, will take years. Of course it's an excellent idea, but it would be better to build on the Coast Guard and the [Maritime Security Agency] — combine and expand the two, under the legal cover of the latter."

Asked as to whether this may be part of the recently announced Sino-Pakistani economic corridor program and if the Chinese would help equip the new force he said, "I have no doubt that the Chinese will be most supportive and will probably provide equipment."

There could yet be another theory as to how the force will be established however. Though the move was announced by the Minister for Ports and Shipping, Cloughley does not believe the force will be tasked solely with port security.

"I think the new force is intended to assume the duties currently performed by the Coast Guard and the Maritime Security Agency (MSA), not just to concentrate on ports."

Similarly, analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank agrees there needs to be some form of change, but that this should focus on capacity building for the MSA.

"What is required is that the MSA needs expansion and it needs to incorporate the Coast Guard," he said. "There is already a viable structure of command and control of the MSA which operates under the supervision of Pakistan Navy."

Highlighting the MSA's assets in having "close to 2,500 personal, four Barkat class OPVs, three Shanghai II class FAC, ten 13 meter interdiction patrol craft, and three BN Defender aircraft", Khan says this provides a good core capability.

The Coast Guard is a land-based paramilitary force currently under control of the Army. The MSA is a maritime paramilitary unit under the control of the Navy.

Analysts dispute the effectiveness of the Coast Guard, but it made headlines this month when it seized just over 3,000kg of hashish during a raid in the town of Pasni, Balochistan. It was destined for the gulf where it would have been worth an estimated US $50 million and is one of the largest ever seizures of the drug.

There is, however, an apparent shortage of assets to effectively patrol the EEZ, and Khan believes "the MSA should be provided more sea vessels for interdiction, more fixed wing aircraft should be added, and particularly helicopters."

There is already some indication of more assets on the way for the MSA.

Last October, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency sent notification to Congress of the State Department's intention to provide eight GRC43M cutters to Pakistan under a foreign military sales transfer.

These are intended to help Pakistan ensure security in its coastal waters and the EEZ.

Though nothing has been heard of this proposal since then, Khan understands it may have progressed to the stage where Pakistani personnel have traveled to the US to undergo training on the type.

Ultimately, however, Khan is unconvinced of the wisdom of establishing a new force, and highlights that there are already a number of organizations of overlapping responsibility including various provincial level Anti Narcotics Force units that complicate matters and drain resources.

"Establishing a brand new organization will take a lot of time and energy and the financial burden would be something the already weak finances of the country cannot bear. This hodgepodge of several different paramilitary forces only creates financial burden."

Pakistan Seeks New Force for Sea Boundaries
 
As the Pakistan navy disburses it's naval assets along the makran coast, it makes good sense to have a well trained force under the MSA to patrol and monitor it's coastal waters and EEZ. As the MSA is under naval command it makes good sense. This leaves the navy to perform it's prime duty of ensuring that the sea lanes remain open and is able to interdict the adversary on and under the high seas. My only question would be the size of this force.
 
The question is whether what is said would be done or face the same ending as being predicted? i.e. cancelled due to lack of funds. A lots of work needs to be done to strengthen the PN, in comparison to PAF and PA PN is the weakest link in Pakistan armed forces, like its said the team is as strong as its weakest link.
 
When will the Amphibious_warfare_ship that are being build at least 2 to be commissioned in navy ?
 

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