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China's new submarine engine is poised to revolutionize underwater warfare
It looks a lot like 'Red October' in real life.

By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer

Red October Submarine
RED OCTOBER SSBN
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The Red October, a fictionalized version of the Akula (NATO reporting name Typhoon) submarine, has two pumpjets built into its rear for silent propulsion (though implausibly stated to use a noisy magnetohydrodynamic drive in the movie). According to Chinese state media, the nation's new nuclear submarines will soon use a similarly silent, cutting-edge pumpjet.
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In Tom Clancy's book (and, later, the 1990 film) The Hunt For Red October, a Soviet submarine debuts a revolutionary, ultra-quiet engine that uses pumpjets and electrical propulsion technology to elude its foes. Chinese state media has reported that the nation is fitting its newest nuclear sub with an engine that sounds a lot like Clancy's imaginings in the real world.

Rear Admiral Ma Weiming China electric propulsion pumpjet
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THE ADMIRAL AND THE PUMPJET
During his interview on state television, Admiral Ma Weiming, developer of the rim-driven pumpjet, shows off a laboratory, with a schematic of the pumpjet visible in the background, at right.
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This month, Chinese state TV channel CCTV 13 broadcast an interview with a top Chinese naval engineer, Rear Admiral Ma Weiming. The admiral is notably responsible for the development of multiple Chinese naval electromagnetic programs, including the electromagnetic catapult and railguns. In the interview, he stated that the PLAN is fitting its newest nuclear attack submarines with a "shaftless" rim-driven pumpjet, a revolutionary and silent propulsion system.
China Type 095 SSN nuclear submarine
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The Type 095 SSN, seen in this speculative fanmade CGI, will likely have VLS cells for launching a wide range of cruise missiles, pumpjet propulsion, and improved quieting technology. (This earlier CGI shows the Type 095 with a more conventional pumpjet, though.)
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If the system is being put on the latest vessels, it is likely to be used on the first Type 095 nuclear attack submarine (SSN), which is under construction.
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RIM DRIVEN THRUSTER
Shown here is a Schottel built rim-driven thruster, used to propel surface ships like yachts with minimal noise (the Chinese miltary rim-driven pumpjet would look similar but much larger).
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A rim-driven pumpjet has a ring-shaped electrical motor inside the pumpjet shroud, which turns the vane rotor (a vane rotor has the fan blades attached to a rotating band built on a cylinder interior, as opposed to a propeller shaft) inside the pumpjet cavity to create thrust. Previous submarine pumpjets are "shrouded propellers," which consist of a tubular nozzle covering the propeller. By removing the shaft of the propeller, the reduction in the number of moving parts decreases the noise made by the pumpjet, as well as saving hull space. Civilian manufacturers also claim that rim driven pumpjets are easier to maintain, and have less cavitation (bubbles that form during propeller movement), making them even more quiet.
Rear Admiral Ma Weiming China electric propulsion
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Rear Admiral Ma presents a component of the new Chinese IEPS for naval warships; the Chinese variant is the world's first IEPS to run on a medium-voltage, direct-current system.
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Also in the video background was a large piece of electrical machinery, which is part of the PLAN's Integrated Electrical Propulsion System (IEPS). IEPS turns all the output of the ship's engine into electricity, unlike traditional propulsion designs, which convert engine and reactor output into mechanical action to turn the propeller shaft.
The high electrical output can be used to power motors for the propellers or potentially high-energy weapons. Additionally, IEPS has far fewer moving parts, making them quieter, and thus ideal for use on submarines. When coupled with quieter reactors like the Type 095's reported natural circulation reactor, the rim-driven pumpjet and IEPS can drastically reduce the acoustic signature of any SSN.
This combination, if it works, would be a significant gain for China's naval power. As China has gained in surface fleet numbers, stealthy planes, and longer-ranged missiles able to target U.S. carriers and air bases, America's submarine force has become viewed as its key advantage in any comparison. In turn, Chinese nuclear submarines have lagged behind competitors in their noisiness. Said another way, these innovations have the potential to strengthen a historic weakness.
The reporting is significant for two more reasons. First, it illustrates the new openness in Chinese state media to discuss the technology behind previously secretive nuclear submarines, suggesting a greater confidence in showing off new military technology in order to impress domestic and foreign audiences.
Secondly, if the system works, the Chinese may have stolen a march on the Americans and British, whose Columbia and Dreadnought nuclear ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) have the option for rim-drive pumpjets, but will not enter service until 2030. While the system would be on China's attack submarine, Chinese SSBNs could also use the rim-drive pumpjet to enhance their stealth and survivability—and, by extension, the credibility of China's second strike nuclear capability. These new submarine propulsion systems may not just power China's submarines of the future, but give Beijing a true superpower's underwater armada.
 
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Navy Ship Zulfiquar has sailed from Sri Lankan capital Colombo after successful completion of humanitarian assistance and disaster relief (HAADR) operations and relative normalization of situation in flood-stricken friendly country.

According to Pakistan Navy here on Friday, HAADR operations were conducted in collaboration with Sri Lankan Army, Navy and civil administration.

During the 4 days operations, Pakistan Navy teams rescued/evacuated a large number of flood stranded population from far flung villages, provided medical treatment and medicines to flood affected families, restored freshwater supply to local population by decontaminating wells, cleared road ways and passages by de-flooding marshy areas and last but not the least, also provided edibles, fresh water and dry ration to displaced families, mostly women, kids and elderly.

Pakistan Navy's ardent and unflinching support immensely helped to restore activities of life amongst the population of far-flung villages.

Shades of relief and contentment on the faces of flood stricken people were an overwhelming sign of gratefulness for Pakistan Navy o1icersand men who participated in the operations.

Sri Lankan political and military higher echelon acknowledged and highly appreciated Pakistan Navy's e1orts for helping Sri Lankan people in the hour of need.

Naval forces have an inherent capability of +exibility and reach which have been clearly manifested/employed during the HAADR in Sri Lanka.

The operations signify the professional acumen and commitment of Pakistan Navy to conduct such a large scale operation involving diverse technical and professional expertise under a single umbrella.

Pakistan Navy is resolute in maintaining and delivering on its commitment to the nation and global community for providing any assistance to keep Pakistan's Flag higher. Our ships, flying the green flag around the globe are relection of the national character, resilience and unrelenting commitment to the humanitarian cause. - AGENCIES

https://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/2017/...-sail-after-participating-haadr-in-sri-lanka/
 
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Sea Platforms

Pakistan's 1,500-tonne MPV fitting out at shipyard in Guangzhou

Andrew Tate, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

13 June 2017

Images have emerged on Chinese online forums showing what appears to be a 1,500-tonne MPV on order for Pakistan's PMSA berthed alongside for fitting out at a shipyard in southern China.

Images have emerged on Chinese online forums showing a cutter on order for the Pakistan Maritime Security Agency (PMSA) berthed alongside for fitting out at the Huangpu shipyard in the southern Chinese port city of Guangzhou.

The ship is assessed to be the first of two 1,500-tonne maritime patrol vessels (MPVs) ordered in June 2015 by Pakistan's Ministry of Defence through the China Shipbuilding Trading Company (CSTC).

The contract encompasses the construction of four 600-tonne, and two 1,500-tonne MPVs. The first three 600-tonne MPVs were built in China and have been delivered to the PMSA, with the most recent one being handed over in April 2017. Pakistan's state-owned shipbuilder Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) is building one vessel of each type locally.

Construction of the fourth 600-tonne MPV at KSEW is due to be completed by April 2018.

In January 2017 KSEW announced that it had commenced construction of the 95 m-long, 1,500-tonne MPV which is scheduled to be completed by February 2019.

From the recent photographs it is clear that the lead ship is under construction at China's Huangpu shipyard.

It is not known when it was laid down or when it was launched, but considering the evident progress towards completion, delivery by the end of 2017 or early 2018 seems likely. The ship has been given pennant number 143.

Photographs of the vessel fitting out at Huangpu show a gun installed forward of the bridge, likely to be 30 mm calibre, although definitive identification is precluded at present as the mounting is under wraps.

The ship also has a flight deck, though a helicopter is unlikely to be embarked as there is no hangar, nor are helicopters currently operated by the PMSA. However, a shore-based helicopter could land on the MPV if required, or from a Pakistan Navy ship.

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Industry

Pakistan's KSEW signs contract with Dutch Damen for local construction of OPV

Gabriel Dominguez, London and Alex Pape, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

13 June 2017

Pakistan's Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works Limited (KSEW) has signed a contract with Dutch shipbuilder Damen Shipyards for the local construction of a multipurpose offshore patrol vessel (OPV) for the Pakistan Navy.

The contract was signed on 12 June by KSEW managing director Rear Admiral Hasan Nasir, an official from Damen Shipyards, and Pakistan's Director of Military Procurement (Navy), Commodore Shafqat Azad, according to a statement by Pakistan's Press Information Department.

The Dutch Ambassador to Pakistan, Jeannette Seppen, and Pakistan's Secretary of Defence Production, Lieutenant General Syed Muhammad Owais (retd), were also present at the signing ceremony.

The 90 m-long vessel, which will be built at KSEW, will have a full-load displacement of about 1,900 tonnes, and a top speed of 22 kt.
 
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Industry

Pakistan's KSEW signs contract with Dutch Damen for local construction of OPV

The 90 m-long vessel, which will be built at KSEW, will have a full-load displacement of about 1,900 tonnes, and a top speed of 22 kt.
DSBE is currently delivering a series of three 83 meters OPVS for the MMEA through a collaboration with TH Fabricators Sdn Bhd. This vessel is designed for border and EEZ surveillance, control, interception, search and rescue missions, disaster relief and humanitarian aid as well as counter piracy and smuggling activites, amongst others.
The new class of vessel displaces 1900 tonnes, has a speed of 20 knots, a range of 4500 nautical miles and may accomodate 91 persons.
Scale models of the same vessel are also on display at the MMEA booth and Damen booth. The design of the OPV actually comes from Damen and is based on their "OPV 1800" series.
The future MMEA OPV will be able to deploy one helicopter and two Damen interceptors: one via davit and the other via a stern ramp.
Navy Recognition learned during LIMA 2017 that similar to the smaller NGPC class, the OPV will be fitted with an Aselsan SMASH remote weapon station and Thales Fulmar UAV.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...re-opv-of-the-malaysian-coast-guard-mmea.html

According to specifications given by MMEA, the platform, derived from the OPV 1800 design from Damen, features an overall length of 83 m, a beam of 13.7 m, and a design draught of 3.75 m. It has a standard displacement of about 1,890 tonnes and can accommodate a crew of 46.
http://www.janes.com/article/68919/...design-of-new-helicopter-capable-opv-platform

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Something along these lines.
 
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Im just wondering can a naval vessel be equipped with attack helicopter with ashm missiles. Just like an attack helicopter is equipped with atgm missiles?
 
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Im just wondering can a naval vessel be equipped with attack helicopter with ashm missiles. Just like an attack helicopter is equipped with atgm missiles?
Technically, yes. The Sea King can be armed with Exocet AShM, but the PN doesn't have any ships (besides tankers and large auxiliary vessels) to deploy them from. Alternatively, smaller anti-sub warfare helicopters - like the Z-9EC (deployed from the F-22P) - can be armed with lighter and shorter-range AShM (e.g. C-704 or C-705). With an attack helicopter, you'd basically try lifting 2 lightweight AShM.
 
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Technically, yes. The Sea King can be armed with Exocet AShM, but the PN doesn't have any ships (besides tankers and large auxiliary vessels) to deploy them from. Alternatively, smaller anti-sub warfare helicopters - like the Z-9EC (deployed from the F-22P) - can be armed with lighter and shorter-range AShM (e.g. C-704 or C-705). With an attack helicopter, you'd basically try lifting 2 lightweight AShM.

Ah so a ashm is heavier than a atgm?
 
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Ah so a ashm is heavier than a atgm?
Yes, because:
1- It takes a much bigger warhead to disable/destroy a ship/boat (in 100s of kgs for antiship missiles as opposed to 10s of kgs for antitank missiles),
2- An antiship missile usually flies a much greater distance (50-300 km ballpark) while an antitank missile will at most travel 10-20 km with most <7 km.
 
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Is it possible to configure the ashm to function somewhat like a cluster bomb,while shortwning the dimensions of the missile the ordinance could deliver the same or more damaging punch.

What do u guys think about that.
 
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Im just wondering can a naval vessel be equipped with attack helicopter with ashm missiles. Just like an attack helicopter is equipped with atgm missiles?
Sure you can.

There once was a Sea Apache version envisioned, for example.
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See http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/mcdonnell_sea_apache.php

Also, the Russians are delivering a special version of Kamov KA-50 to Egypt for their Mistral LHA/Ds. This is the Kamov Ka-52K "Katran" naval version, with folding rotor blades and wings, reinforced landing gear, wing shortened for basing on ships and the possibility of using Kh-35 Uran anti-ship missile. Its features further include life-support systems for the crew members, who will fly in immersion suits. The fuselage and systems receive special anti-corrosion treatment. A new fire-control radar enables it to operate in "Sea Mode" and to support anti-ship missiles.

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But an 'regular' helicopter equipped for both ASW (with dipping sonar or sonar buoys, light ASW torpedoes) and ASuW (with radar and air-launched AShM) missions can also do that and offer greater flexibility not only by 2 roles mentioned but also by providing possibility to lift and transport people and cargo. So, in most cases, that's the better option from a cost-effectiveness POV.

Ah so a ashm is heavier than a atgm?
A typical helicopter fired ATGW weighs around 25-50kg, with e.g. AT-6 and Tow on the lower end, and Vihkr and Hellfire at the higher end.

Kh-35 Uran weight is just over 600kg, Harpoon and Exocet weight is 650-700kg, and C802 just over 700kg. Of course, there are lighter 'medium weight' AShMs, like MBDA Marte/Sea-Killer (300 kg) and C-705 (320kg), Kongsberg Penguin (370-385kg) and NSM (400kg). And there are extra light ones e.g. AS-15TT (97kg), Sea Skua (145kg).

Which AShM carried depend to a great extent on what the weight class of the ship's helicopter is e.g. EH101 (10-15 ton) versus NH-90 / SH-60 / Sea King (6-10 ton) versus Z-9 / AS-365 / Sea Lynx / BO-117 or EC-145 / Hal Dhruv (2-5 ton) or less Z-11 / AS-350_Écureuil / AS-55- Fennec / BO-105 / MD-500.

Is it possible to configure the ashm to function somewhat like a cluster bomb,while shortwning the dimensions of the missile the ordinance could deliver the same or more damaging punch.

What do u guys think about that.
Not clear what you mean here
 
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So in summary it is possible but a heavier, bulkier but modular helicopter would be needed to carryout that role,right???


I meant that can an AShM be confihured in a way that when it is in proximity to its target, it disperses into many pieces that then proceed to target multiple points on the ship or even concentrate damage on one singular area of the ship to sink it. If that can sink a ship then that would allow the AShM to be shortened in dimensions while still packing the same punch.

I know it might seem like star wars like imagery but do u kinda see where im going with this?

Sure you can.

There once was a Sea Apache version envisioned, for example.
1471166219_3.jpg

See http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/mcdonnell_sea_apache.php

Also, the Russians are delivering a special version of Kamov KA-50 to Egypt for their Mistral LHA/Ds. This is the Kamov Ka-52K "Katran" naval version, with folding rotor blades and wings, reinforced landing gear, wing shortened for basing on ships and the possibility of using Kh-35 Uran anti-ship missile. Its features further include life-support systems for the crew members, who will fly in immersion suits. The fuselage and systems receive special anti-corrosion treatment. A new fire-control radar enables it to operate in "Sea Mode" and to support anti-ship missiles.

webka-52k-on-display.jpg


But an 'regular' helicopter equipped for both ASW (with dipping sonar or sonar buoys, light ASW torpedoes) and ASuW (with radar and air-launched AShM) missions can also do that and offer greater flexibility not only by 2 roles mentioned but also by providing possibility to lift and transport people and cargo. So, in most cases, that's the better option from a cost-effectiveness POV.


A typical helicopter fired ATGW weighs around 25-50kg, with e.g. AT-6 and Tow on the lower end, and Vihkr and Hellfire at the higher end.

Kh-35 Uran weight is just over 600kg, Harpoon and Exocet weight is 650-700kg, and C802 just over 700kg. Of course, there are lighter 'medium weight' AShMs, like MBDA Marte/Sea-Killer (300 kg) and C-705 (320kg), Kongsberg Penguin (370-385kg) and NSM (400kg). And there are extra light ones e.g. AS-15TT (97kg), Sea Skua (145kg).

Which AShM carried depend to a great extent on what the weight class of the ship's helicopter is e.g. EH101 (10-15 ton) versus NH-90 / SH-60 / Sea King (6-10 ton) versus Z-9 / AS-365 / Sea Lynx / BO-117 or EC-145 / Hal Dhruv (2-5 ton) or less Z-11 / AS-350_Écureuil / AS-55- Fennec / BO-105 / MD-500.


Not clear what you mean here

What u have said above highlights the importance of LHDs as force multipliers. Especially, multi role ones like the Juan Carlos class as it is able to enable navies to perform operations for helicopters and aircraft. I am of the view that if PN does not want to procure LHDs they should atleast consider them as a future prospect.
 
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So in summary it is possible but a heavier, bulkier but modular helicopter would be needed to carryout that role,right???
??? I didn;'t say any of that.

I meant that can an AShM be confihured in a way that when it is in proximity to its target, it disperses into many pieces that then proceed to target multiple points on the ship or even concentrate damage on one singular area of the ship to sink it. If that can sink a ship then that would allow the AShM to be shortened in dimensions while still packing the same punch.

I know it might seem like star wars like imagery but do u kinda see where im going with this?
This approach might increase probability of hit but not the level of damage inflicted.

What u have said above highlights the importance of LHDs as force multipliers. Especially, multi role ones like the Juan Carlos class as it is able to enable navies to perform operations for helicopters and aircraft. I am of the view that if PN does not want to procure LHDs they should atleast consider them as a future prospect.
The purpose of LHDs is to transport and troops. Everything else is secondary. Juan Carlos 'as is' is suited for AV-8B Harrier but not for F-35B (this would require modifications, as the Australian navy studies of this indicate). But you could use it to fly multipurpose helicopters like EH-101 for ASW and ASuW work. In fact that is the idea behind the Japanese new 'DDHs' (which don't have trooptransport and landing role per se, but could assist by embarking cargo helicopters)
 
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