Pakistan Navy being equipped with latest technology: Admiral Zafar

[BHarwana]

KARACHI: The Annual Award Ceremony of Pakistan Navy Logistics Command was held at PN Dockyard, today. Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi was the chief guest on the occasion.

Annual Award Ceremony is held at the end of every year to review overall performance of the units under the command and to acknowledge their efforts in successful completion of various projects.

Speaking on the occasion, Chief of the Naval Staff lauded the professional acumen of the Logistics command of Pakistan Navy for undertaking all the professional tasks with utmost excellence.

The operational readiness of PN Fleet and its participation in various exercises during 2017 speaks volume of the efforts of Pakistan Navy Logistics Command, he added.

The Naval Chief emphasized that whenever a nation relies on foreign aid, the urge to attain self reliance tends to fade away. Our desire to achieve self sufficiency is fully alive and our endeavours towards self reliance and indigenization bear testimony to national pride and manifest our dedication towards service.

Admiral Abbasi further said that despite external pressures, we need to tackle our internal affairs judiciously and move forward with a positive approach. He said that we are a resilient nation. Our Armed forces are fully geared up to meet internal and external threats and challenges.

The Admiral underscored that a modern and strong Navy is not only needed to keep our homeland safe but also to ensure regional maritime stability. To make Pakistan Navy a modern and potent force, induction of new platforms in PN Fleet and technical capability to maintain and upgrade them is as significant as availability of skilled and professional manpower.

In this regard, Pakistan Navy has acquired new platforms equipped with latest technology to further strengthen its offensive punch. The Naval Chief stated that besides modernizing PN Fleet; Pakistan Navy is cognizant to equip its human resource with best training and introduce them to emerging technologies.

Skilled and adept human resource is our asset and we are proud of our men. Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi emphasized that following the golden principles of Islam as guiding lights in our professional and personal life, we will take Pakistan Navy to the new horizons of capability, capacity and readiness.
Earlier in his welcome address, Commander Logistics Rear Admiral Sajid Wazir Khan highlighted salient accomplishments of the command during 2017.

Later the Chief Guest gave away awards to best units and personnel for their remarkable performance and achievements.




https://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/2018/...quipped-with-latest-technology-admiral-zafar/

 

[IceCold]

We have turned navy into a coast guard. I hope this changes with the induction of Chinese Frigates the type 54.

 

[Imran Khan]

Need something big sir big means big

 

[Reichsmarschall]

anti-ship Ballistic missile

 

[jamal18]

Need something big sir big means big

Whether its big or bigger, let's make sure it's made in Pakistan.

 

[CriticalThought]

We have turned navy into a coast guard. I hope this changes with the induction of Chinese Frigates the type 54.

Need something big sir big means big

A lone multi hundred million dollar ship is a sitting duck in the modern era. You need well outfitted battle groups of mutually reinforcing assets. If you don't have the money for that, it makes sense to build a support base of low cost assets that can provide cover for a few expensive assets. PN seems to be following this strategy. Higher priced Frigates are being considered only now after we have a sizeable number of FACs. Interestingly, large number of FACs is also the strategy being used by Iran and they stare right into the eyes of US Navy. So there is some merit to the approach.

 

[IceCold]

A lone multi hundred million dollar ship is a sitting duck in the modern era. You need well outfitted battle groups of mutually reinforcing assets. If you don't have the money for that, it makes sense to build a support base of low cost assets that can provide cover for a few expensive assets. PN seems to be following this strategy. Higher priced Frigates are being considered only now after we have a sizeable number of FACs. Interestingly, large number of FACs is also the strategy being used by Iran and they stare right into the eyes of US Navy. So there is some merit to the approach.

Without proper AD cover navy ships are a sitting duck. None of PN ships are equipped with a decent SAM system. With Type 54 this would change. Iran employs a different strategy because on the other side they have USN. Iranians think they can swamp US defenses with over whelming numbers of FACs. I dont think PN employs a similar strategy against IN.

 

[CriticalThought]

Without proper AD cover navy ships are a sitting duck. None of PN ships are equipped with a decent SAM system. With Type 54 this would change. Iran employs a different strategy because on the other side they have USN. Iranians think they can swamp US defenses with over whelming numbers of FACs. I dont think PN employs a similar strategy against IN.

So far it seems to be going in that direction.

 

[LeGenD]

A lone multi hundred million dollar ship is a sitting duck in the modern era. You need well outfitted battle groups of mutually reinforcing assets. If you don't have the money for that, it makes sense to build a support base of low cost assets that can provide cover for a few expensive assets. PN seems to be following this strategy. Higher priced Frigates are being considered only now after we have a sizeable number of FACs. Interestingly, large number of FACs is also the strategy being used by Iran and they stare right into the eyes of US Navy. So there is some merit to the approach.

I would not consider them a sitting duck because such vessels provide ample room for installation of offensive and defensive assets. In a small vessel, compromises are necessary.

Iranians act tough but their swarm tactics are not going to work against a state-of-the-art force like USN because every major USN vessel is equipped with a wide-range of defenses to defeat different kinds of threats in hostile environments and network-centric warfare capabilities make it impossible to tackle an entire fleet.

Iran warned the entire world to close Straight of Hormuz in 2011 but did not dare to when USN arrived in the picture to see it through. Nobody buys into Iranian bluff anymore.

 

[CriticalThought]

I would not consider them a sitting duck because such vessels provide ample room for installation of offensive and defensive assets. In small vessels, compromises are necessary.

Iranians act tough but their swarm tactics are not going to work against a state-of-the-art force like USN because USN vessels tend to be equipped with a wide-range of defenses to defeat different kinds of threats in hostile environments.

Iran warned the entire world to close Straight of Hormuz in 2011 but did not dare to when USN arrived in the picture to see it through. Nobody buys into Iranian bluff anymore.

The only missiles that have actually attacked Israeli and American ships in recent times have been peddled by the Iranians. I have no love for them, but I give credit where credit is due. For a force with little to spend, swarming is a powerful strategy if executed correctly. The whole point of distributed attack is to protect against aerial and other threats through sheer force of numbers. Except if you have a sizeable number of frigates and destroyers, you will be fielding a show piece. No matter how many SAMs you put on it, one or a few ships will be highly vulnerable to a much larger force.

 

[LeGenD]

The only missiles that have actually attacked Israeli and American ships in recent times have been peddled by the Iranians. I have no love for them, but I give credit where credit is due. For a force with little to spend, swarming is a powerful strategy if executed correctly. The whole point of distributed attack is to protect against aerial and other threats through sheer force of numbers. Except if you have a sizeable number of frigates and destroyers, you will be fielding a show piece. No matter how many SAMs you put on it, one or a few ships will be highly vulnerable to a much larger force.

Bro,

Posturing has little credibility in the face of overwhelming odds and technological advances.

Swarm attacks sound good on paper but how Iran will employ them in the first place?

Vessels and missiles need appropriate forms of guidance and target acquisition before they are put to use. Oceans are massive environments where even enormous vessels can evade detection for indefinite period with appropriate countermeasures.

Dispatching 3 or 4 boats to intercept a USN vessel passing near Iranian shores does not prove anything because USN will fight on its terms during the course of hostilities as apparent from Operation Praying Mantis in 1988.

Any missile that Iran may launch will illuminate on-board systems of American vessels because they will not be acting in isolation but under a multi-layered surveillance umbrella that has global coverage against these kind of threats and will be employing network-centric warfare concepts to defeat an adversary on top.

USN vessels are well-equipped to defeat both terrain hugging and high speed airborne targets:

They are now installing laser weapon systems as well:

Thanks in part to ill-advised Iranian posturing; these idiots are pushing naval warfare concepts to a whole new level of competence and making it impractical for a regional power to safeguard its interests in the foreseeable future.

Swam tactic might work against a single vessel patrolling a coast but not feasible to employ against a sophisticated blue-water navy across vast oceanic environments because it can project power from vast distances, monitor activity on a vast scale and will be a step ahead in countering threats.

 

[CriticalThought]

Bro,

Posturing has little credibility in the face of overwhelming odds and technological advances.

Swarm attacks sound good on paper but how Iran will employ them in the first place? Vessels and missiles need appropriate forms of guidance and target acquisition before they are put to use. Oceans are massive environments where enormous vessels can also evade detection with appropriate countermeasures.

Dispatching 3 or 4 boats to intercept a USN vessel passing near Iranian shores does not prove anything because USN will fight on its terms during the course of hostilities as apparent from Operation Praying Mantis in 1988.

Any missile that Iran may launch will illuminate on-board systems of American vessels because they are not acting in isolation but under a multi-layered surveillance umbrella that has global coverage against these kind of threats.

USN vessels are well-equipped to defeat both terrain hugging and high speed airborne targets:

They are now installing laser weapon systems as well:

Thanks in part to ill-advised Iranian posturing. These idiots are pushing naval warfare to a whole new level of competence.

Well, American defences were laid bare in the Houthi attack. Which is to say, they turned out to be a complete failure.

Let's assume, hypothetically, that a laser based defence system was operational today. A distributed attack would mean:

1. Track multiple targets.
2. Prioritize amongst multiple targets.
3. Target and shoot the first target.
4. Acquire the second target, and repeat.

The laser system needs a finite time in order to acquire the target. Remember that lasers are a line of sight system. It needs to be positioned in a straight line with the incoming projectile. Hence, a maneuverable missile makes it hard for a laser system to destroy it. This difficulty increases exponentially with multiple such missiles.

 

[LeGenD]

Well, American defences were laid bare in the Houthi attack. Which is to say, they turned out to be a complete failure.

I recall that event differently: https://news.usni.org/2016/10/11/us...s-to-defend-from-yemen-cruise-missiles-attack

Houthi rebels launched 2 cruise missiles towards USS MASON and both were neutralized mid-flight. Not only this but USS MASON took out relevant radar installations in Yemen which were being used to monitor naval activity in the vicinity.

You might be confusing the case of destruction of a UAE vessel with that of USS MASON.

Let's assume, hypothetically, that a laser based defence system was operational today. A distributed attack would mean:

1. Track multiple targets.
2. Prioritize amongst multiple targets.
3. Target and shoot the first target.
4. Acquire the second target, and repeat.

The laser system needs a finite time in order to acquire the target. Remember that lasers are a line of sight system. It needs to be positioned in a straight line with the incoming projectile. Hence, a maneuverable missile makes it hard for a laser system to destroy it. This difficulty increases exponentially with multiple such missiles.

Every USN vessel is equipped with several layer of defenses to defeat different kinds of threats and nothing suggests that these defenses tackle one threat at a time. They are absolutely capable of tracking and defeating multiple threats at a time. They will not show you this reality in a footage released for public consumption, my friend.

Iranian concepts of warfare sound good on paper but swarm attacks will not work in practice. USN will not be positioning its vessels near Iranian shores and at close proximity to each other and also lower their defenses for Iranians to unleash a barrage of missiles on them.

Waiting for Iran to close Straight of Hormuz.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Only 4 Type54A can boost morale now

The defence should not be specific to any 1 country but it should be a broader straegy to protect national interest at all times

Our main focus has to be Multi Layer defence which is not based around just 1 ship

There is a saying you can't compare apple and oranges

Similarly if we compare Pakistan's Navy to US navy it is like comparing apples to Super Market for Watermelons

In order to develop some enhancements , we just have to at least have some presence at Asian Level first



We just have to realistic our present level is ball park of following navies of world

a) Oman Navy
b) Kuwait Navy
c) Bahrain Navy
d) Srilankan Navy
e) Maldives Navy
f) Newzeland (not sure they have a ship )
g) Bahamas
h) Cuba
j) Bangladesh Navy

I think comparitively we need at least be a regional player compared to lets say Iranian Navy or Oman Navy or Middle East Navy


What we have is following

a) Large Workforce that can build anything by Hand , no one is being used
b) We got a whole National Steels Mills being used at 0%
c) Anything can be constructed yet we are delaying construction waiting for Golden solution
or that Dimond crane from country xyz before we commence construction


Just make a old fashioned dry dock , suck out water construct the ship and then fill the dock with water

The bottom line is we always have excuses

1- We won't build a corvette in Pakistan, becasue we don't have crane or this or that
The construction of the dock will take 7 years
2- We won't make a twin engine fighter jet , because we don't want to disturb anyone
Having fighter Jet with Afterburn technology will be too loud
3- We won't buy large ships it would be not polite we don't need big ships



This simple Dry Dock design , you can make a nice 90 meter ship why do we need any cranes or railing imported from europe for this to work ?

a) Need a standard water proof gate / steel structure with strandard machine open/close
b) Water pump to suck the water in / out of dry dock


Use the Cement you import to India , the most friendly nation, and instead use it to make a dry dock

You can even service a Aircraft carrier in Dry dock

I don't understand what is this golden technology we need to import from what ever country to be able to construct a simple large ship locally in Pakistan , and with out this we cannot we just cannot make a ship on Pakistani soil



No cranes involved nice and simple idea

Here is a classic picture (Cruiser I think)
Simple technology , drain water build ship and fill water roll out to sea

A very simple ...concept
If we can't make a dry dock as below to make corvettes /frigates in Pakistan then
What can we really assume ?

No initiative

What should have happened was announcement

a) Hiring of 500 Engineers
b) Hiring of 10,000 Welders (Mazdoor class)
c) Using Steel Mills for parts for ship 100% defence usage

Make a ship every 1.5years size of that OHP frigate we have general model


We need announcement of 10 Dry docks constructed in Pakistan to make
Corvette /Frigate level ships , this dry dock construction can happen 100% with Pakistani workers



We have 2 Large concept ship designs, 1 Small ship design in hand

a) OHP copy in hand
b) Actual experience with F22P frigate
c) Azmat class ship design (Missile Ships)

Why is Navy not hiring people and making dry docks ? Or we waiting for China to come show us how to construct a simple dry dock

Training with other fishing boats etc is not beneficial for defence
While some training may be positive but we need ships



Note:
We supply 1 Million man power in engineering , labour ,odd work across middle east
Man power has never been the problem