Pakistan military planes violated Indian air space twice this year

[arp2041]

Isnt there a 5-10 mile no-fly zone near the IB/LOC? Any intrusion in this area, accidental or otherwise, is still considered a violation per se, no?

Actually you are saying the opposite, as there can be accidental incursions at border areas by planes there is some miles of safe area being reserved for planes, till where it is not seen as an intrusions (may be they were just making a U-turn & crossed the border etc.). After that area limit is crossed the plane can be seen as an intrusion & can also be shot down. Don't know exactly what's the limit of the safe area.

 

[gubbi]

there is some miles of safe area being reserved for planes, till where it is not seen as an intrusions (may be they were just making a U-turn & crossed the border etc.). After that area limit is crossed the plane can be seen as an intrusion & can also be shot down. Don't know exactly what's the limit of the safe area.

There is a 5-10 mile stretch of airspace on either side of the border where military aircraft cannot enter (as per some agreement). Any breach of that airspace is considered a 'technical' violation even if it on your own side of the border.

 

[JayAtl]

Its the same jingo source that had Indian scientists dismissing the Shaheen-1A as nothing spectacular..
I think its about time its classified here along the same lines as Rupee news..
baseless crap.

The defense minister quoted in parliament is a jingo source? A news that ultimately is more detrimental for the Indian psyche , certainly not looked as being favorable by its voting block- is jingo news? This is not an editorial opinion piece - you do you know the difference between opinion vs. reporting a statement made in an official parliamentary process?

This trait to willfully dismiss / be in denial of almost anything from the world press is what has landed you guys in the current state. everybody is conspiring against ya'll all the time, yeah?

 

[Nakki Nair]

sir, if you don't trust the source pls see the TOI article on same

Pak planes violated Indian air space 23 times in 3 years: Govt - The Times of India

DO NOT BELIEVE TOI.

IF YOU DO, I WILL 'THIS IS SPARTA' YOU!

On a serious note, these could be just accidental violations. I am sure IAF also would have 'accidentally' gone into the Pakistani airspace a couple of times. Come on guys, we are brothers. Behave.

 

[Rafi]

UAV's can also be part of the count, which are totally legitimate forms of intelligence gathering.

 

[ManuZ]

UAV's can also be part of the count, which are totally legitimate forms of intelligence gathering.

If ur referring it to the drone strikes by US and pakistani army does nothing about it.. ur wrong....
UAV or drones violating airspace is a total violation of the sovereignty of a nation...
Pakistani uav violating indian airspace for intelligence gathering is legitimate?
Im sorry bro, thats BS...
On the topic pakistani airforce has to be more careful in future...
Any incident of encounter or shooting down will derail the entire trade and peace process....
Not good for both the countries....

 

[Rafi]

^^^^^
Well our drones are not firing on, or killing anyone, the same as if a satellite is taking images in space, india being a potential enemy, gathering of information is legitimate IMHO.

 

[rockstarIN]

Rafi may be correct.

It might include drones flying nearby the LoC too. And the news is not bogus, it seems a parliament question&Answer.

90% intrusions will be by drones only. You cant shoot it down unless it falls in ur territory or it should come more deep into your air space. Peace time doctrine too will be different.

 

[SQ8]

The defense minister quoted in parliament is a jingo source? A news that ultimately is more detrimental for the Indian psyche , certainly not looked as being favorable by its voting block- is jingo news? This is not an editorial opinion piece - you do you know the difference between opinion vs. reporting a statement made in an official parliamentary process?

This trait to willfully dismiss / be in denial of almost anything from the world press is what has landed you guys in the current state. everybody is conspiring against ya'll all the time, yeah?

Oh yes it is..

You can keep your BS sarcasm.. holds no weight with me...
23 times in three years... your "world press" could only come up with concentrating on the violation instead of the decrease in them..oh goodness me.. somebody "violated us".. right...and it wasnt even close to "first base"..
As pointed out by your countryman..an airspace violation is taken whenever that no-man's land is breached... your chopper landed at our base and got sent back.. no harm done.. procedures followed..
Not one Indian newspaper chose to focus on the reduction of violations or anything else.
As for the jingo source.. it decided to come up with India being violated twice this year
Lets see what else do they post up..
How Pakistan came to feel snug in a Chinese pocket - Analysis - DNA
Just another coup in Bangladesh, a nightmare in Pakistan - Analysis - DNA
Analysis: Is Pakistan helping Haqqanis attack US in Afghanistan? - Analysis - DNA

It on quality of reporting.. people can choose to focus on the positive..
or like you..find every other excuse to throw trash at a nation.

Isnt there a 5-10 mile no-fly zone near the IB/LOC? Any intrusion in this area, accidental or otherwise, is still considered a violation per se, no?
And as for ISRO scientists dismissing the Shaheen-1 as nothing spectacular, I do believe there are solid reason for their claims. You see, scientists can sniff out the quality of ones work by simply reading the abstract. Their experience gives them an insight to understand or picture the story based on a few details available in an abstract. So, given the origins of missiles in Pakistani arsenal ,their history of tests and availability of data on original missiles, their guess would be that off the mark.

It not in the bullseye either.. rather close to the edge of the outer circle.

 

[Abingdonboy]

What's all the fuss about? As long as they didn't drop any ordinance no harm no foul right? I'm sure IAF has had similar instances went they have done so themselves. A few KMs is nothing- seconds in a fighter now if they'd gone deeper I'm sure the IAF would have provided a fitting reply. It is not like the IAF didn't know they were there- you can bet they were painted the whole time when in Indian airspace.

 

[SQ8]

What's all the fuss about? As long as they didn't drop any ordinance no harm no foul right? I'm sure IAF has had similar instances went they have done so themselves. A few KMs is nothing- seconds in a fighter now if they'd gone deeper I'm sure the IAF would have provided a fitting reply. It is not like the IAF didn't know they were there- you can bet they were painted the whole time when in Indian airspace.

Considering all the talk of peace.. the moves on siachen and trade..
you would think some sensible people would care less on minor official reports instead of blowing these up.
There were violations by the IAF during the same period of similar mundane nature..
but no sir.. beat the chest.. cry "jai Hind!".. and incite flames to burn those wicked Pakistanis..
Sad to say the least.

 

[Windjammer]

The defense minister quoted in parliament is a jingo source? A news that ultimately is more detrimental for the Indian psyche , certainly not looked as being favorable by its voting block- is jingo news? This is not an editorial opinion piece - you do you know the difference between opinion vs. reporting a statement made in an official parliamentary process?

This trait to willfully dismiss / be in denial of almost anything from the world press is what has landed you guys in the current state. everybody is conspiring against ya'll all the time, yeah?

Chill out dude, the PAF took the initiative in relations normalising and as a good will gesture, performed a fly by , the pair pulled a vertical Charlie and at Angles 20 the leader with smoke on executed a Cuban eight leaving behind a marker.

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[Pak_Sher]

The Indian Defense Minister Anthony has been involved in many corruption scandals and cover ups, so I do not believe the facts in this report.

 

[arp2041]

What's all the fuss about? As long as they didn't drop any ordinance no harm no foul right?

How can you say that Are you waiting for them to drop bombs on us than only IAF should retaliate, it's Indian airspace & any plane crossing it is an intrusion weather armed or not.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Considering all the talk of peace.. the moves on siachen and trade..
you would think some sensible people would care less on minor official reports instead of blowing these up.
There were violations by the IAF during the same period of similar mundane nature..
but no sir.. beat the chest.. cry "jai Hind!".. and incite flames to burn those wicked Pakistanis..
Sad to say the least.

Well this trivial snippet of news has been jumped upon by the typical idiots who post news stories of Indian forces with wrong pictures and the like. These people don't truly understand the nature of what they are reporting and don't understand there is no physical barrier at 14,000 feet and that a mis reading of a map or a few seconds of course can lead to a huge distance being covered relative to the ground and maybe a few KMs in enemy territory but this is meaningless in reality. In today's battlefield with the utilisation of AWACs by both sides neither AF needs to (initially) enter the other's territory to collect information or whatever.