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Pakistan may study other fighter options as US asks Pakistan to make full payment for F-16 purchase

Hi,

For 700 mil---pakistan can get 16 J10's------or star with 12 J10's and 8 JH7B's with growler and bvr capabilities.
The issue with The US Parliamentarians is that they want an end to the F-16 Production Line. Reason for this is the F-35 has taken up a lot of US tax payers hard earned privileges.

If PAF has to pay the full amount then all options would be available. Unfortunately Sanctions may be enforced to block such purchases.

If PAF spends around 4-5 Billion then it can get EFT, F-35, SU-35 and Rafale in decent numbers. The delivery would be around 2018-2019.

F-35 is not offered.

PAF has to decide can they wait for 5-7 years? IF they can then:

The Chinese hope to start mass production of J-31 by 2019.

TFX would be available by 2022-23

Now there is the Naval requirement.
PN requires a decent strike platform but very limited in numbers 1-2 Sqd. This is an immediate requirement.
 
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The issue with The US Parliamentarians is that they want an end to the F-16 Production Line. Reason for this is the F-35 has taken up a lot of US tax payers hard earned privileges.

If PAF has to pay the full amount then all options would be available. Unfortunately Sanctions may be enforced to block such purchases.

If PAF spends around 4-5 Billion then it can get EFT, F-35, SU-35 and Rafale in decent numbers. The delivery would be around 2018-2019.

F-35 is not offered.

PAF has to decide can they wait for 5-7 years? IF they can then:

The Chinese hope to start mass production of J-31 by 2019.

TFX would be available by 2022-23

Now there is the Naval requirement.
PN requires a decent strike platform but very limited in numbers 1-2 Sqd. This is an immediate requirement.

Hi,

What they are doing is playing ' reverse psychology ' with Paf----they know that they are going to put sanctions---they know that when they tell the paf that there might be sanctions----paf will give it a blind eye and still go for this aircraft---.

Once they do----then the american senate and congress has paf's ballz in a tigher squeeze.

In this day and age if someone thinks that there is going to be " mechanical sanctions "----they are living in a different world---this time the sanctions would be electronic in nature---which means instantaneous.
 
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Pakistani F16s will always remain political. With this deal falling through, the money shall be made available for other initiatives within JF17 to be accelerated by fiscal closing. The loss is to Americans only.
 
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Its clear from Pak point of view that
Responsibility for Congress agreement rests with Obama .
 
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Why would US offer goodies if you are not hurting for them? In this world there are no free lunches.
same way how india is a recipient of 65 billion aide while our in entire history is just 31 billion.
 
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Why would US offer goodies if you are not hurting for them? In this world there are no free lunches.
First look at the amount of charity you have recieved and then compare it to Pakistan
 
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How so? This is on BBC news too.

sale of 8 F16s with accessories has been approved. the only change is the hold on the FMF (financing) part of the deal. if Pakistan wants to purchase the 8 F16s it has to do so with its own sovereign funds. I have already stated that we should have never accepted the FMF just as in the past as all new F16s purchased previously have been with our own sovereign funds. big mistake by PAF / GoP on this sale.
 
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sale of 8 F16s with accessories has been approved. the only change is the hold on the FMF (financing) part of the deal. if Pakistan wants to purchase the 8 F16s it has to do so with its own sovereign funds. I have already stated that we should have never accepted the FMF just as in the past as all new F16s purchased previously have been with our own sovereign funds. big mistake by PAF / GoP on this sale.
and on top of it, they come with humiliating restrictions.
 
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WASHINGTON (Dunya News) – United States (US) Congress Committee has interrupted financial aid worth USD 430 million to Pakistan putting sale of eight F-16 fighter jets on the line once again, Dunya News reported Friday.

Department of State stated to a British journal that Obama government is in favour of supplying F-16s to Pakistan but US aid would not be used for the purpose.

Pakistan cannot afford to pay around USD 700 million for eight fighter jets and necessary equipment. As per the previous understanding, United States was to grant USD 430 million while Pakistan was to pitch in USD 270 million for the sale.

On the other hand United States Congress has also halted provision of USD 74.2 million funds for Pakistan under military aid package.

Pakistani embassy’s spokesperson in the United States, Nadeem Hotiana said that the US administration has already supported F-16s sale to Pakistan however purchase of arms and ammunition is a lengthy and time-taking procedure.

He said that India had lobbied against Pakistan regarding the sale while some members of the Congress had also criticised the deal. They had said that F-16s could be used against India, he added.

Indian External Affairs Ministry had made it clear in February that it would not buy the argument that the deal would help Pakistan combat terrorism.

"We are disappointed at the decision of the Obama Administration to notify the sale of F-16 aircrafts to Pakistan. We disagree with their rationale that such arms transfers help to combat terrorism," Indian External Affairs Ministry spokesperson Vikas Swarup had tweeted.
Earlier in March, the motion to supply F-16s to Pakistan garnered success in the US Senate with an overwhelming 71 to 24 margin.

The deal between the two sides was kept alive for the past five years however, Obama government announced in February to go through with the sale formally.

In February, Secretary of State John Kerry, while testifying to the Senate’s Foreign Relations Committee defended the deal.

Kerry lauded Pakistan’s efforts in war on terror and said that the country is an ally in fight against extremism and has been deeply engaged.

Senators had 30 days to express reservations in the matter after formal announcement by the United States on February 12. Senator Bob Corker, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, sharply questioned the plans to sell F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan within the given time.

It should be noted here that the deal is in accordance with US foreign policy s objectives and national security goals of improved security of strategic partner in the South Asia.

The deal involves sale of eight nuclear-capable Lockheed Martin Corp F-16 fighter jets, radar and other equipment.
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Responsibility for Congress agreement rests with Obama admin: Tareq Fatemi
ISLAMABAD (Dunya News) – With Pakistan’s F-16 fighter jets’ sale hanging in the balance, Special Assistant to the Prime Minister (PM) Tariq Fatemi Saturday stated that the responsibility for making the US Congress agree rests with the Obama administration.

Talking with the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC), Fatemi stated that a sentiment against the provision of military and financial aid to foreign countries was found within the Congress.

Fatemi further stated that the US administration’s offer of military aid to Pakistan was present.

Answering a question regarding the Congress denial of approving an aid offered by the US government for the purchase of F-16 fighter jets, Fatemi stated that this deal was not over yet.
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Divorce Time ;)
Thanks for blocking the deal Congress :D We dont need trash F16 block 51 which does not possess all the pods and special AESA radar more over PAF dont have the freedom to use them according to our own will . JF 17 block 3 is worth coming with AESA ,IRST , HMDS fifth generation BVR PL12 most probably and RD33MK. Pakistan can get few squadron of J10C or SU 35 ,F16 has no place in PAF anymore . J 31 and J20 along with CH5 drones are a much better acquisition for Pakistan :)
 
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Thanks for blocking the deal Congress :D We dont need trash F16 block 51 which does not possess all the pods and special AESA radar more over PAF dont have the freedom to use them according to our own will . JF 17 block 3 is worth coming with AESA ,IRST , HMDS fifth generation BVR PL12 most probably and RD33MK. Pakistan can get few squadron of J10C or SU 35 ,F16 has no place in PAF anymore . J 31 and J20 along with CH5 drones are a much better acquisition for Pakistan :)
Unfortunately PAF is the lover of F16, what can we say?
 
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Just to clarify Foreign Reserves are not for shopping these are making balance of payments for our net Imports VS Exports .Regarding payment for F16 simply its not worth it we will end up loosing this money just like we did in 1990`s if we pay from our pocket .
 
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PAF is only buying F-16s out of short term necessity, it has no interest in buying any other US fighters due to political pressure.
Hello All
Sir, F16 are extremely good birds no doubt about that(but spending 90m $$ a bird surly not a short term necessity) , And that political pressure will defiantly go down when we have some thing on our own , Like just say we have JF17 (Gripen NG) level , like J10C(P) , ,, USA applying pressure because they know we don't have much in our bucket ,
Secondly its a 100% fail job from Pakistan Embassy in USA and our foreign office .. (they were fail to do lobbying about F16 for Pakistan).
 
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I would be very happy when the yanks block this sale, we seriously need to move on from that state it's about damn time.

But pseudo liberals would work tirelessly to make sure that something like this which is in Pakistan's interest to ever take place.
 
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It is the usual process ,Pakistan will get this birds very soon.
 
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