Pakistan may study other fighter options as US asks Pakistan to make full payment for F-16 purchase

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well the foreign military sale (FMS) has 2 options either it is sponsored grant or the country buys the items cash

If we have urgent need for the F16 , I am sure we can purchase it

But sort of a disappointment as it was funds agreed on in past as recognition of work done against Anti Terrorism operations. Past 2-3 Years our western side suffered due to Terrorism at schools/Universities and we launched major offensive etc

So quite surprising the out come

 

[HAIDER]

Hi,

That is the first step towards sanctions.

Actually India is working hard to stop this delivery or cancel this deal.....

 

[Dr Gupta]

Actually India is working hard to stop this delivery or cancel this deal.....

You give Indian lobby to much credit if any of you actually 'read' the article and follow world events you will realise it's due to American frustrations not based on India. The Dr episode of Bin Ladin, the Haqqani network, LET as well as other factors.

 

[C130]

It is about time to dump American Planes and arms. Look to friendly CHINA AND HIS j11 OR j31PLANES WHICH WILL BEST for Airforce to serve , tere is no Embargo on them to get spare parts for service them.

easier said than done. do you know how much that would cost C in the short term and long term switching to a new platform


only way I see this happening with the Chinese or even Russians is if they give you a line of credit of at least $5 billion dollars over 5 years

best bet would be the Su- 35

assuming Pakistan could get the same deal as China 24 for $2 billion

48 Su-35=$4 billion
weapons,infrastructure, training=$1 billion more or less

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well I suppose we can pay the planes it is really not a big deal

Folks said we can use the planes against any foe

 

[MastanKhan]

Actually India is working hard to stop this delivery or cancel this deal.....

Hi,

What difference does it make who chops the head off----? It is your own fck ups that has lead to it.

 

[mingle]

easier said than done. do you know how much that would cost C in the short term and long term switching to a new platform


only way I see this happening with the Chinese or even Russians is if they give you a line of credit of at least $5 billion dollars over 5 years

best bet would be the Su- 35

assuming Pakistan could get the same deal as China 24 for $2 billion

48 Su-35=$4 billion
weapons,infrastructure, training=$1 billion more or less

I agree but sooner or later Pak Air Force has to take that Pill like it or not we need third type plane near future Russian European don't know .

Actually India is working hard to stop this delivery or cancel this deal.....

Shah G we have dysfunctional Govt who fighting his own battle over Panama leaks u think they have time all diplomats r sleeping like surtag Aziz .Things won't be back to normal unless we have fresh and functional govt in Islamabad with young FM current regime is dead .

Hi,

What difference does it make who chops the head off----? It is your own fck ups that has lead to it.

Khan BaBa what is plan B u think ?lets say PAF backs off then what except JF 17

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well I suppose we can pay the planes it is really not a big deal

Time to splash the cash

Would Indians have a butt hurt if we paid all cash

Thank you Mr Obama for the F16 approval, we will also practice the options all paid in cash

 

[MastanKhan]

I agree but sooner or later Pak Air Force has to take that Pill like it or not we need third type plane near future Russian European don't know .


Shah G we have dysfunctional Govt who fighting his own battle over Panama leaks u think they have time all diplomats r sleeping like surtag Aziz .Things won't be back to normal unless we have fresh and functional govt in Islamabad with young FM current regime is dead .


Khan BaBa what is plan B u think ?lets say PAF backs off then what except JF 17

Hi,

It is simple---paf needs to get its head out of the sand---the plan A B C or D is the get the J10C's---so that the need of the F16 is balanced out.

Paf has chopped off its foot intentionally by their blunders in planning----. The last 30 years of planning shows a total lack of commitment and understanding of the issues

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

@MastanKhan

Well we have to look at the issue from perspective of a Sale , they said the planes are available , but we will have to pay for the planes (Normal trade relation)

So I don't see an issue with it.


Since we are buying the planes cash might as well make the order to 18-24 planes make it a round figure of 1 Billion dollars ?

We already have approval from

• Obama
• Ministry of De-fence
• Congress for purchase via Cash

The objection is on Grant vs Payment , so I think we should pay and pick up 18-24 planes based on our need

The small number of plane was only becasue of the Grant requirement , now I suppose we can place a healthy order as originally planned anyways

Reserves : Healthy 21,000,000,000 Mark

Ab they are giving then might as well get a bundle 18-24 planes

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan

Well we have to look at the issue from perspective of a Sale , they said the planes are available , but we will have to pay for the planes (Normal trade relation)

So I don't see an issue with it.

It would have been nice to get a grant but no problem

Hi,

You don't see an issue is because you don't have the ability to see the issue----. It would like asking a blind to describe the colors of a rainbow----.

If you love to be REAMED then---stop blaming the U S when they do their stuff---and put sanctions---just promise that you won't complain---all of you---.

But you will be screaming your head off---when the sanctions hit.

Listen son---I have sat acrosss the table from these white people---blue eyed blonde hair---with their credit reports in front of me---their lives open---more open that their mothers brothers sisters fathers or brothers know about it---and made car deals----and made good money---.

There is one thing unique about the americans---they will tell you in their own terms and language what they are going to do---it is upto you to know and understand what they are saying----.

Take a casual approach---and it would be at your own peril.

The american senator has already told you what is coming---be a pakistani and act stupid---and then when it happens---then yell and scream.

 

[Indika]

It is not about cash, its about leverage. America has lost leverage on pakistan, they wanted pakistan to bring taliban to talks which is not happening. The recent bombing in kabul might have been trigger point. For a country which spends tonnes of money on defence 400 million is a not even a pocket change.

Americans are demanding their work be done for the money provided where as pakistan sees it just as normal buyer-seller transaction.

 

[HAIDER]

I agree but sooner or later Pak Air Force has to take that Pill like it or not we need third type plane near future Russian European don't know .


Shah G we have dysfunctional Govt who fighting his own battle over Panama leaks u think they have time all diplomats r sleeping like surtag Aziz .Things won't be back to normal unless we have fresh and functional govt in Islamabad with young FM current regime is dead .


Khan BaBa what is plan B u think ?lets say PAF backs off then what except JF 17

We have Foreign ministerLess country. What you expect from country who is running by businessman.

Hi,

What difference does it make who chops the head off----? It is your own fck ups that has lead to it.

Sir jiiii....either Nawaz appoint foreign minister who fought these issues or officially appoint COAS as foreign minister......But India is playing good..............but I bet these planes will be delivered according to plan.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Time to wake up and get the head out of Sand, if Pakistan is spending money they should get the best value out of it. F16s are sanction prone and also the string of not being used against India so?

 

[PAFMAN]

ASSALAM O ALAIKUM ALL,

this is my first time i am writing on this foram,
and i am the most happiest person after reading this news that US congress refused to pay for F16.
and really wish that they stopped selling any F16 to PAF. any more.

Mayve, maybe, maybe, now our PAF higher command will learn something and they will go for other options, e.g. EFT, SU35 OR J10C.
JUST WISHING.

and please guys, anyone here who really knows what is going on in PAF for future aircrafts?
@MastanKhan, @Zarvan or @Quwa .. SIR ANYONE OF CAN SAY SOMETHING PLEASE? in my opinion i just like to read what you saying.

sorry if hurt anyone.
BYEBYE