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The only consolation was that I did bump into a rather pretty Czec lady while running through the neighborhood when I stumbled on a pool party ! :ashamed:

Continuation:............. at the pool party, I totally forgot about the pretty Czec lady and started checking out this African hunk! :cheesy:
 
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Dude, don't we have enough problems of our own that you wish to shove someone else's problem down our collective throats as well? We can't just keep hating almost everyone on the planet.... besides, who love's us in the first place?

By the way, do enlighten us on what we as a nation tend to gain from Palestine lovin and Israel bashin? Free oil, diplomatic brownies, FDI or just plain Homus?
Its not about getting free oil. Its about supporting what you think is right and standing strong. You think we''ll get free oil from israel? I'd support it only if we can pressurize them regarding Palestinian cause. Which I don't think is possible as they don't pay much attention even to what USA or the rest of the world says.
 
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We should have normal relations with Israel, it's within the interests of Pakistan. My views on the Israel Palestine conflict are a different matter entirely.
look bro as a muslim you cannot even think that because bait ul muqadas was our qaba and is still the third most holiest place in this world for muslims and dont forget the father of the nation qaid e azam called israel the bastard child of the west so we can never accept israel as a country and as religion wise
 
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look bro as a muslim you cannot even think that because bait ul muqadas was our qaba and is still the third most holiest place in this world for muslims -
Have you noticed that Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Qu'ran?

- and dont forget the father of the nation qaid e azam called israel the bastard child of the west so we can never accept israel as a country and as religion wise
I think you'll find when you dig a little that this is a phrase of the Iranian ayatollahs - I first saw it in 2005 - and only after that was it attributed to Jinnah.

Is there a penalty for phony Jinnah-hadiths?
 
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I dunno mate; I've tried but @Jungibaaz doesn't want me there ! :(

When I said I'd like to come and try my luck; he said 'mi casa su casa' but when I arrived at his place he looked at me incredulously and said 'Oh bhai tu kaun haiiii ? I don't know any Armstrong' ! :o:

And had dogs set loose on me ! :cry:

The only consolation was that I did bump into a rather pretty Czec lady while running through the neighborhood when I stumbled on a pool party ! :ashamed:


I knew it; you're just like @Jungibaaz in that you've married into the Rothschild Family ! :mad:

Aye, me and my Jewish princess (that one from star wars who played Leia episode IV-VI). Together we run all the media and own federal assets. :rofl:

p.s. this is probably my last post of 2014. :tup:
 
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How Pakistani law inspired Israel to seize Arabs' land


The new Jewish state used the legal techniques of a new Muslim state to deprive its own mainly-Muslim refugees of their properties. How ironic.


In an irony of history, the new state of Israel, a year after its founding in 1948, was "inspired" by Pakistan in enacting laws to seize the property of defeated Arabs.

Mark Twain’s quip, "Buy land, they’re not making it anymore," could have served as the Zionist motto. Starting with the arrival in Palestine of Jews from Europe in the late 19th century and accelerating in the 20th century, the drive was to acquire land: to make Jewish settlement possible, to transform Jewish existence from the ghettoes and cities into working the fields, and to fulfill the biblical promise of return to the Land of Israel.

Money was donated by Jews throughout the world and land was bought from Arab landowners on the principle of willing seller, willing buyer.

Yet with all the effort, by 1948 only 5.7 percent of the land of then Palestine had been purchased. The War of Independence that year opened the way to far-reaching changes: the land allocated by the United Nations partition plan to Jews was extended by 38 percent as local Arab militia and invading Arab armies were defeated and driven back.

The government seized the lands of Arabs who had left their homes, whether they fled outside the borders or remained inside. The new state ended up owning some 93 percent of the land, with the rest remaining as private property belonging to Arabs, Jews, Christian churches and the Muslim Waqf.

Israel the conqueror did not behave uniquely: in seizing properties, policies were evolved from what had been done elsewhere in the world. Regulations to eliminate all rights of former owners derived from Britain’s Trading with the Enemy Act of 1939 which dealt with Nazi Germany, and by the actions of other countries where mass exchanges of population had taken place.

In the government debates to decide what to do with the Arab "abandoned property," the prime minister’s special adviser on land and border demarcation, Zalman Lifshitz, argued for the permanent use of refugee property for the political and economic benefit of the new state. He said that countries in similar situations, such as Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria and Czechoslovakia, had taken on vast powers to liquidate refugee property for state use and he urged the Israeli government "to proceed in a similar manner" as "there is no shortage of precedents."

He focused on Pakistan, the Muslim state which had come into violent existence in 1947 in the partition of colonial India. There too, as in Palestine, Britain had ended its rule. There too, as in Palestine, the coming of independence set off inter-communal strife which led to the flight of large numbers of refugees hostile to the new state, and the entry of large numbers of supporters. The difference was in the figures: the India-Pakistan conflict gave rise to 13 million refugees compared with Israel’s 750,000.

It cannot be said if Lifshitz was aware of the irony of the new Jewish state using the legal techniques of a new Muslim state to deprive its own mainly Muslim refugees of their properties. Whichever, he proposed "a new law, similar to the… Pakistani regulations and based on the principles they contain." Pakistani lawmakers, he noted, had drawn on Britain’s Trading with the Enemy Act, but had also introduced new elements to assist expropriation and transfer of ownership: they had created a mechanism for seizing Hindu and Sikh refugee property in Pakistan and its reallocation for the settlement of Muslim refugees from India.

Lifshitz presented his report on 30 March 1949 and the Knesset, parliament, duly enacted laws later that year. The legal machinery to appropriate Palestinian refugee land, he noted, was "based squarely" on the Pakistani legislation of 1948.

But unlike Pakistan and others, a state (for Palestinians) did not come into existence at the time. So Palestinian refugees did not have the benefit of state sponsorship and they landed up in limbo in surrounding Arab states and inside Israel. Ever since, Palestinians, and the world, have paid dearly for that omission.

Having seized Arab properties, Israel recognized the need, for both legal and moral reasons, to pay compensation: it was the way to draw a line under its actions. Many Arab owners also recognized this, and refused to apply for compensation.

The UN Conciliation Commission for Palestine, set up in 1949 charged with the mission of its title, had no success before fading away in 1966. But it did issue a "Valuation of Abandoned Arab Land in Israel" which assessed the value of seized Arab land at US$281,074,511, with a further US$54 million for movable goods. Arabs said the value was too low and Israel dismissed it as "academic," noting the land had been obtained through war and not as a business transfer.

Excerpted from "Drawing Fire: Investigating the accusations of apartheid in Israel" by Benjamin Pogrund, with permission of the publisher, Rowman & Littlefield. All rights reserved.

South African-born, Benjamin Pogrund was deputy editor of Johannesburg's Rand Daily Mail when it was closed down because of its opposition to apartheid. He came on aliyah in 1997 to found Yakar's Center for Social Concern in Jerusalem, devoted to dialogue.

@Solomon2 Is it true?
 
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Didn't ISI and Mossad collaborate in support of the mujahideen in Afghanistan? Anyway, it's odd that Pakistan has never challenged Arab countries on the good relations most of them have with India.
 
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I will slander Arabs because I dislike and detest backward, absurd Arab mentalities. I used to be an Arabist, not anymore. I never found rational, logical thinking from Arabs. All they have is preconceived social constructs which they label as 'knowledge'.

That's the problem. You used to be some rabid Arab fetishist before you realized that the sun doesn't shine out of every orifice of the Arab people and decided to hate them for it.

We need Ata Turk style Mullah pogrom to save future of Pakistan from extremists and religious nutjobs!

Rather primitive mindset from someone who claims to be in the 21st century.

Yeah sure. It was US that funded Islamization and radicalization of Pakistan during Zia regime. US has always been anti-Pakistan.

US has been pro-interest, just like any other country.
 
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Nuke first , and then negotiate later

Lets see how David's sling does vs Radio Active fall out

If Saladin had cleaned house back in 1100 AD we would not be in this situation sometimes its best to negotiate peace with clean victory

Resolution for peace was not taken at UN , time to move on won't be peace
 
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Considering Israel has been selling F-16 parts to us when no one else would, along with various "starter-packs" for UAVs.. I see no reason not to follow the Turkish model to recognize Israel and THEN pressure it on the Palestinian issue.

I've saying that all along.....if you think that Israel is the problem, but you don't recognize Israel, then you don't recognize the problem. The time for Palestinian movement was in the 1970s......but they threw the chance away by blowing up western airliners. It is not easy to forget what they did or Israelis did, and that is the problem now....If Pakistan recognizes Israel today it is useless......because those who cared for Palestinians don't give a crap anymore.
Turkey, Egypt and Jordan all had smart leaders who knew there is no point in creating an enemy out of nothing. Everytime there is a flare in the middle-east vis-a-vis Isreal-Palestine, it is the trio doing back channel diplomacy to help. Pakistan can join them.

We need to realize that time was, and is, of the essence. in the 70s the world was pretty much split.......the east was sleeping......and middle east on fire. Today the east is the new west.....middle east is in same garbage.....with its inhabitants not knowing what to do
 
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which government will recognize israel just answer that?
its a political sucide in a country like ours
 
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Isn't its in Israels law that they have designated Pakistan an ''Enemy State''...why so many cheerleaders here supporting for relations with israel when its in their law ''Pakistan is Enemy state''...and they (Israelis) follow their law very seriously...
 
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